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Liverpool 2018/19
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When you say City have a stronger squad than Liverpool, I don't agree.
VVD. Matip. Lovern. Gomez. (CD)
Arnold. Milner. Gomez. Robinson. Clyne. Moreno. Ox (full backs)
Keita. Fabino. Milner. Henderson. Wynaldam. Ox. (Cm)
Frimino. Salah. Mane. Shaquri. Lalana. Sturidge. (Forwards)
If that is not a squad in depth , I don't know what is .
There are no real excuses for Liverpool really.
Their squad/first XI is equal on paper with Chelsea's. Hell, I'd even argue that it's barely stronger than yours. City's is on a whole different level...
Liverpool are Playing Utd, Arsenal and City during the next 5 league games, also an away trip to wolves and homecoming for Rafa with Newcastle mixed in. They also have the crucial game in the CL against Napoli to start the run off, they'll be European officials in that game too who hopefully understand offside...
Make or break time of the season. If they're still on top after all those games I think we could say they're in with a title shot. Us (Chelsea) and City (prior to playing Pool) don't have a game against any of the top 6 in the period, which should hopefully make things interesting as if we play to our potential should be picking up near maximum points.
Make or break time of the season. If they're still on top after all those games I think we could say they're in with a title shot. Us (Chelsea) and City (prior to playing Pool) don't have a game against any of the top 6 in the period, which should hopefully make things interesting as if we play to our potential should be picking up near maximum points.
People have been drooling over city and they're undefeated record etc all season, most made it a foregone conclusion that the title was theirs.
Liverpool whilst not playing well are now top having also played Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal away etc
The defensive turnaround is pretty mind boggling.
They were still a laughing stock defensively this time last season.
Combination of world class CD and GK + 3 upcoming young players in defence (Trent/Gomez/AR), and they honestly do have a base to build a title winning side on this season.
BUT - all this talk of city and money = absolutely true. What's to say they won't splash big in January again...
City are still favourites.
Liverpool whilst not playing well are now top having also played Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal away etc
The defensive turnaround is pretty mind boggling.
They were still a laughing stock defensively this time last season.
Combination of world class CD and GK + 3 upcoming young players in defence (Trent/Gomez/AR), and they honestly do have a base to build a title winning side on this season.
BUT - all this talk of city and money = absolutely true. What's to say they won't splash big in January again...
City are still favourites.
I like how you put Chelsea in there as if you have any hope whatsoever of winning the league.Weekends like this are what give you a little hope. But i'm not getting carried away. If we beat United I might just...Our last 2 title bids involved beating UTD home and away.
You are never going to get 22 world class squad players. You have your 15 players which you don't mind seeing in your first 11, then the rest make up as solid reliable back up players to cover injuries, rested players and games against "smaller teams". Even Utds treble wining squad had weaknesses. There were the 11 starters, then we had Sherigham, Ole, Butt, Jesper, Phil Nev, Berg, May.
Yeah. I'm not celebrating being top per se. But being a point up going into some tough fixtures. A 1 point lead could quickly become an 8 point deficit within a matter of days. Because City lost we can just about afford a draw with Utd. But a win would be something else and make City really cack their britches.
yup, and it actually gives the team even an ounce of believe that it can be done, not having to chase a team that doesnt drop points at all. I think that really affected UTD's title bid last season, thankfully we'd kept up with City till now.
Of course, but City's squad players are much, much better than Liverpool's (and other teams in the league). If both managers were to choose a first XI from both squads, only VVD and Salah would certainly make it for Liverpool, whereas Agüero, KDB, Silva, Fernandinho, Walker, Laporte would for City. If one of Pool's attackers were injured/rested, they have Shaquiri and Sturridge as their go-to options, whereas City has one of the Silvas/Sané/Jesus/Foden. Assuming Keita and Fabinho were to find some form later in this season, Pool would have Milner/Henderson/Shaq as their midfield options, whereas City has Gündogan/one of the Silvas/Foden/Danilo. As for center backs, Otamendi/Kompany are certainly better options than Lovren/Matip.
It's strange how we only seem to come good (league wise) in cycles of every 5 years. 2009, 2014, & now (assuming it all doesn't go tits-up) 2019. We lost out to both Manchester clubs in our last 2 title challenges. Please let it be 3rd time lucky.
It's all about opinions. I'm sure if you ask Liverpool fans, they wouldn't swap there back 5 and front 3 with any of City players. (When in form).
Having also bigged up City's squad, they definitely missed Augero yesterday.
I would take an in form Aguero, Walker and Laporte, please.. And their entire midfield on top of it.
Laporte over Gomez, Walker over Trent. ? Would that really improve your defence? You have conceded less goals than City , but would swap two of your defenders with theirs ?
Maybe I'm missing something
Yes. Laporte over Gomez, although i like Gomez a lot. I firmly believe van Dijk is a big part of Gomez' progress. Walker over Alexander Arnold at right back.
Any Liverpool fans agree with this ?
You should be asking neutrals which players they'd rather pick
. Fans tend to be biased to their own players, even though I'd think to say that even most of the Liverpool supporter fanbase would agree that, based on their current individual ability, Laporte/Walker are both better than Gomez/TAA, Agüero better than Firmino, and Fernandinho/KDB/both Silvas (maybe even Gündogan) are better than any of the Liverpool midfielders (maybe Keita can get on the same level when he gets some kind of form later in the season). I'd personally even pick Sterling ahead of Mané, whereas for the other positions, it's 50/50.You should be asking neutrals which players they'd rather pick
For me I'd have Walker over TAA, but I'd have Gomez over Laporte. Gomez has been very, very good this season and he looks like a natural defender and on the ball.
Aguero / Firmino is a 50/50 but I'd personally take Firmino for work rate. Midfield is City's. Wide forwards is a 50/50 for me, I'd take any of Sterling / Mane / Salah.
Gomez has been excellent, no doubt about that, and I think he has it in him to become a top-drawer center back. But he has only been playing on that level this season, and Laporte has arguably been City's best defender and his ability on the ball surpasses Gomez by quite a bit (comparable to VVD). Even his performances this season are better than Gomez in every aspect, IMHO. Firmino is also a top striker, but Agüero has been world-class and a game-changer for years. Paired with the fact that Klopp always has had a strong tendency to make players look much, much better in his system than anywhere else (pretty much his whole Dortmund team), I am inclined to think that they are much more than the sum of their parts and individual abilities currently.
I think the same. See Klopp leave, see this Liverpool team collapse. Thing is I don't think he's leaving for at least 4 seasons.
Gomez over Laporte. Walker over TAA.
Robertson over Mendy/Danilo/Delph
Allison over Ederson.
At th moment, all City CM are a little better than us. I think Fabinho will be huge for us. Such a clever player. We will see what he's all about in the next few months.
Front 3, that's a hard one. I think it can go either way with Sane Aguero Sterling vs Mane Firmino Salah.
Robertson over Mendy/Danilo/Delph
Allison over Ederson.
At th moment, all City CM are a little better than us. I think Fabinho will be huge for us. Such a clever player. We will see what he's all about in the next few months.
Front 3, that's a hard one. I think it can go either way with Sane Aguero Sterling vs Mane Firmino Salah.
Are you saying Laporte ability on ball is comparable to VVD or Gomez is comparable to VVD?
I actually think Gomez on the ball is better than VVD. He dribbles out of defence well. Maybe VVD a bit better with his Hollywood balls.
No. Walker is a liability and sticks out as the least talented brother of the family at City. The one everyone else has to support.
Laporte yes I would have over Gomez. Like Halds said Laporte has at times single handedly kept City defence in order.
Like I said before you seem to have an over inflated opinion on all things Liverpool.
Most people would pick 7/8 City players in a combined 11. And City's squad strength has an even greater superiority.
Laporte is better than Gomez. He's been so impressive this season. Comfortably City's best defender. Gomez has a bright future though. Aguero is better than your front three.
Alisson
TAA Laporte VvD Robertson
KdB Fernandinho Silva
Salah Aguero Sterling
It's pretty even. The goalie swings it.
So Liverpool hierarchy is dumb enough that they won't plan life after Klopp. Michael Edwards is doing a fantastic job as the director and His acumen in the transfer market tells me that Liverpool is in good hands. FSG group have also matured as owners.
Not everybody is Manchester united in terms of planning, you know?
I don't think his team would collapse immediately. He has built a great young squad and if he left next season, the following manager would be able to work with most players coming into their peak years. And it's not like they'd immediately forget what they've been taught the last years. Same if Pep left next season. The breaking point would be in 4-5 years, when their key players are getting old/being bought by Barca/Real.
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said there but Gomez over Laporte is a bit silly.
He does? Even as a Liverpool fan you're picking 6 City players.
All of City's midfield would start for us. But thats no suprise as they are doped up. I'm talking Fernandino and Silva especially. How can you get fitter as you get to your mid thirties? Defies all logic.
It's not even about the number of players picked IMO. It's about that the Liverpool picks are, bar VVD and maybe Salah, 50/50 picks and barely any difference in individual quality between them and their City counterparts, whereas their midfield and squad depth are classes apart.
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I would never have walker I think he is a very poor defender in a super side where he rarely has to defend.
TAA is still only a kid so I can’t say he is better than walker but right now I would trust him more defensively. He still has plenty of time in his career to make mistakes.
Laporte is better than gomez probably, but gomez has been so good he is still in "it would make no sense to swap him" territory. Still, we're comparing city's best centreback with our second best. Van dijk is better than Laporte and gomez better than stones. And Alisson and Robertson high five their way ahead of their competition too.
Walker is better than TAA though. And all their midfielders take a clean sweep
Walker is better than TAA though. And all their midfielders take a clean sweep
I meant the goalie swings it to the point you were trying to make for 7/8 players.
Ah. But I think most neutrals would go for Walker. Even a fit a Mendy would make a strong case. Whereas the ones Liverpool win, barring Salah and VVD, are close as well unlikely City's midfield which on a different planet. And City's squad is stronger too.
But right now you are top so there's that.
Right now I'd take City's midfield. Could be saying something different after a few months of Fabinho/Keita though.
I’d probably go: Alisson; Walker, Laporte, Van Dijk, Robertson; Fernandinho, De Bruyne, D. Silva; Salah, Aguero, Sterling.
Mane and Firmino aren’t at last seasons levels and none of our midfield is on par with City’s.
Mane and Firmino aren’t at last seasons levels and none of our midfield is on par with City’s.
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