I think of 3 things:
1. Klopp reached a CL final and his team played fantastic football, so it is far away from crap.
2. You can do everything right and still not win a title.
3. It is a sign of our time that only titles seem to count for the masses now. This is demanded by people who have never ever won a title in their whole lives, let alone a meaningful one. I personally would take great soccer matches with amazing offensive football over a title with boring football every day.
So I guess I will take this as my first post - i've been like many others a lurker for quite a few years and before anyone berates me, my mum is from Manchester, my Dad's a Liverpudlian and guess who I ended up supporting... for many years when I really got into football, possibly the wrong team...
Interesting in a lot of the comments through this and other threads - I get the animosity between the clubs and rightly so but for me it's just football - liverpool were the team of the 80's and united surpassed that and arguably went on and beyond it with ferguson - but to me, i look at it as two powerhouse teams from real football grounds, real rivalry and I don't expect many favours by way of return - in case you haven't guessed I'm a Liverpool fan.
Supporting Liverpool hasn't been great on the mental health! they certainly haven't been anywhere near the teams of the 80's but if have to put an honest opinion here now, it's an exciting time to support them again - nearly bankrupt, a change of ownership since and we do after a few mishaps seem to be making progress - as many have commented - not quite won the finals - but to be fair as a supporter - i think it's exciting times. United have gone from being absolutely amazing to a bit of a period of ... uncertainty - not sure on signings, managers, owners - same things we've both been through in the last decade - the teams that are in our faces, are teams that are flush with money that had never been available before....
My point, I guess is that when people talk about Chelsea and United, Man City vs whoever the rivalry will always be between the biggest clubs in a generation. Yes, the sands have changed and it may well be that the noisy blue neighbours have the money to be a threat and win things for the next god knows how many years - the same in Europe... but for me as a Red, I'm excited we are in the mix, and actually hope that United come back on top as a proper team and proper competition (if they aren't already - I appreciate you finished above us last season).
Football is about that, history, great players, history and rivalry - I personally don't like the new game where the influence of money decides or massively sways the odds on trophies. I just hope that the 'big teams' and hope that even United fans will understand that the likes of LFC and Utd dominated and will continue to be the mainstay rivals in the prem and europe for many years to come.
On your manager - I think there are problems that go beyond management - I'm not entirely sure that he helps himself to be honest but I think if in 10 years time we look at Premiership rivals, United and Liverpool will be in the mix somewhere despite relative ups and downs in the short term - and so they should be... A lot of predictions to see if Liverpool are boom / bust - a lot of latter predictions to say they can't score or whatever - a lot of negative comments on United... it's October, the seasons ahead - enjoy and see what happens - only time will tell - think City are still the team to beat but great for the game if it's a lot closer than last year - that's what makes the Premiership so entertaining - all about the next game...
Good luck against Chelsea btw - they look decent...
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