We also have people who want him in the league so that everyone can see how he wouldn't destroy the PL. Yeah, no thanks. City would walk the league trampling on our faces with him in their team. I'd rather not risk that horrible outcome.
Lionel Messi - Performances
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He hasn't lost any speed with age. Incredible.
The illest.
Makes everything look so easy and simple. Amazing start of the season.
And available on a free in Jan.. . C'mon woody break the bank
Just seen the highlights, god he is just too good.
People were too quick to right off Barca. As long as Messi is playing, they have a chance against any team IMO.
What an incredible player.
He best sign that contract.
I'd love him to play with United. It would be colossal.
And it would also help Barca getting rid of their management
And it would also help Barca getting rid of their management
Put some respect on his name.
Imagine not thinking he's the GOAT 
I still think he's in debt with Argentinians, though
I still think he's in debt with Argentinians, though
Somehow I see him more relaxed after Neymar is off , thinking if being friends with him made Messi let him play and do more on the pitch than he would let anyone else and this way limited himself - if Barca were to rely only mostly on Messi , maybe they would have had bigger success in the last 2 years
Imagine not thinking he's the GOAT
I still think he's in debt with Argentinians, though
You must have no bias considering your username
Honestly speaking, he's arguably the best all around player of all time whilst CR7 is arguably the greatest goal scoring machine of all time. Ronaldo is also less dependant on supporting cast whilst Messi has had the fortune of being surrounded by elite talent his entire career both club and international.
You must have no bias considering your username
Honestly speaking, he's arguably the best all around player of all time whilst CR7 is arguably the greatest goal scoring machine of all time. Ronaldo is also less dependant on supporting cast whilst Messi has had the fortune of being surrounded by elite talent his entire career both club and international.
for the past two seasons ronaldo has had the best midfield in the world supporting him.
Yes but he's proven it prior specifically internationally with Portugal and much lesser teams compared to the Barca sides Messi has been on and the top10 ranked* Argentine sides.
I'm sure you get what I'm saying.
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i think both are so far ahead of the rest of the players on their team its a non point.
It will be exciting to see Ronaldo back in action though, pretty much guaranteed back to back hat tricks coming up.
And Messi has also proven it in lesser teams than his all-time great Pep era team....so not overly sure what the point is?
Steady on, he's only just turned 30. A bit early to be positively surprised about his pace not going off a cliff yet.
It's early in the season, but how funny would it be if Messi/Barca completely outshine Neymar/PSG again?
Tbh he was still on the rise and raw prior to the arrival of Pep / didn't put up the same numbers then as he did after.
His career years began the same season Pep arrived which is not a coincidence. Yes he was still very talented before and despite the great Pep era teams he was still surrounded by a lot of talented players from the get-go.
And don't forget about internationally like I've said. Ronaldo won the Euros with Portugal which no one expected lol. Sure he didn't play the finals due to injury but it was because of him they got that far. Messi has struggled to win Copa America and has been a runner up 3 times losing to Chile 2 of those times not to mention choking in crucial moments. And WC not scoring in the knock out stages. Not a knock on him as I believe he's the best all around player of all time but you can't turn a blind eye to those things.
It just comes down to what pleases peoples eyes more. For me, matching Ronaldo's goalscoring exploits whilst also being arguably the greatest passer of a ball ever puts Messi a tier above.
the guy still has it. (messi)
That would be sweet.
Messi on form is the best player I've ever seen. By a considerable distance too.
I don't understand why people use Portugal winning the Euros as something that Ronaldo has over Messi. Ronaldo helped them to the final but barely played in it, Messi has also gotten his team to the finals on multiple occasions, he just wasn't lucky enough to have someone come off the bench and score a winner from 30+ yards. If Lamela or someone had banged in a winner in the Copa America while Messi was sat on the bench would that make Messi a better player?
That's just completely off imho. Messi is a great passer but no way is he the best passer ever lol. I could easily name a handful of players off the top of my head that were/are clearly better.
What makes Messi great is that he can do a little bit of everything at around an all time top10 rate which is amazing and he might have the greatest IQs ever for an attacking player which rounds it all together / the unselfishishness.
No more Messi vs Ronaldo discussions, please. Especially all the World Cup + EURO + Copa América business that's been done to death. Ref. OP:
Use this thread instead: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/messi-v-ronaldo.400526/page-114
I do think Messi has lost some pace since like 2011 or 2012, but he is still explosive.
I actually think he's looked very explosive this season so far compared to the last two seasons.
Just brilliant as ever.
I actually think he's looked very explosive this season so far compared to the last two seasons.
Just brilliant as ever.
His finishing since the start of the season has been absolutely razor sharp, probably best since 2011/12 or so. Looks like he has something to prove which is a really scary prospect if he keeps it up.
I think it's fair to be surprised. Rooney, Torres and C.Ronaldo lost their paces before 30.
Messi has definitely lost pace. He's still got great acceleration but he's that incredible burst he once had that combined with his control could wipe out three defenders in no time. Which is normal. Very few players maintain their speed past 30. Robben is one of the few top players who did it.
Urgh.
He's the best creative passer I've seen. But passing is even more subjective than shooting. For example, Xavi was the king of central midfield passing. Messi doesn't do as much probing, patient passing as Xavi used to. He's more about playing the perfectly weighted pass to open teams up or set up a chance for someone. Then again, he has the responsibility to score a goal a game pretty much so can't exactly spend his time playmaking from that deep.
GOAT
Messi's shot accuracy and timing is one of the best I've seen so far. Keepers mostly dont have a chance if he has a half clear angle on goal. (He is likely to create that angle for himself by dribbling, quick change of directions too).
For me the best player currently.
For me the best player currently.
On form he's the best ever imo. A shame his form has been hot and cold over the past few years.
So about that first goal yesterday, do you guys think it was a mis-hit or was that just such a precise finish? Ridiculous footballer to be honest.
I hate to be that guy, but Cristiano's international record is vastly bloated due to beating weak international teams. He hasn't shown much, thus far, in his international career when it came to the big games against elite teams. His record against top tier international team is pretty abysmal, meanwhile against lower-ranked teams, he is the second coming of Pele.
messi tries to aim into the corners, that's why he hits the post so often
Leo hit the back of the net, the post and even Buffon's back. Skomina was a poor referee on the night, allowing just about any Juventus player to go through Barcelona players without a booking. By the time Messi was eventually booked for complaining about the fouls and lack of yellows he proceeded to impose himself even more on the night. We don't get to see an angry Messi much but when we do, it's usually something special
Very true. Didn't he have a serious knee (or thigh injury) 2-3 years ago that truly affected him ? Or am I imagining things ?