Please list the higher rated young strikers in the premier league. No one is comparing him to Rooney, who was one of the greatest young players of all time.
Liam Delap | £30m release clause?
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Please list the higher rated young strikers in the premier league. No one is comparing him to Rooney, who was one of the greatest young players of all time.
It almost made me want us to sign him!There's overrating a potential signing and then there's that
Almost.
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Who is a better U23 striker in the PL?
You could have just called him a decent young striker. He isn't particularly special.
Oh Lord, not another one!
Ah right I thought you were highlighting the lack of minutes rather than the impressive rate. I haven't watched him at all - he's just a set of nice numbers in my head.
Looks like they can't name one then...
The point being made wasn't even one in favour of United signing him (I myself am sceptical he won't be ready).
The point was that it's probably not the right move for Delap to go sit on the bench of a top side.
He may be best signing for an upper midtable or Europa side where he expects to start every week, make sure he has a release clause and if he does well he'll get his big move in a couple of years.
The idea of us signing say Osimhen and Delap as his back up in one window is fantasy, the signing of a big name striker would put Delap off joining us as it would make no sense for him.
Not sold on him at all. If this season under Amorim is anything to go by, then he will not flourish in this team IMO. We need something better than this, and there must be someone out there better for the money.
It's by complete default that he's "the hottest young striker prospect in the Premier League". It paints a completely ridiculous picture of him. Fraudulent even. Where are the Michael Owen's, Robbie Fowler's, Wayne Rooney's, Thierry Henry's, Harry Kane's? They were genuine hot prospects who scored bags of goals at a young age. Delap is closer to a young Kevin Davies, who co-existed in an era with these hot prospects.
Delap may bloom in the future, but my issue was with the description as it is misleading and overly flattering.
Hmm, but if it’s just a stepping stone, why not just go to a club where you play regularly and get there faster?
I agree it makes sense for Newcastle. Just not sure it makes perfect sense for Delap to be second choice in his development years. There will be a decent amount of chances I guess though. Isak always close to being out injured I feel.
These are some of the strikers in the same price range that have moved to PL clubs in the past seasons.
Evanilson -> Bournemouth
Igor Thiago -> Brentford
Nicolas Jackson -> Chelsea
Joao Pedro -> Brighton
Gianluca Scamacca -> West Ham
Georginio Rutter -> Brighton
Jhon Duran -> Aston Villa
Chris Wood -> Newcastle
Patson Daka -> Leicester
Danny Ings -> Aston Villa
The kid has just got relegated from the PL. Do you honestly believe he has done enough to go straight into the main striker role for a CL-chasing team? Do you realise how many levels that skips and the elevation and pressure being thrust upon him if he’s going up to such a level of club to fulfill the most important duty in the team? Do you not see what that’s just done to Højlund or what it’s done to others in the past?
You get to the top organically or are fast tacked because you are prodigious. Organic development for Delap is to be a #2 at the big clubs, perhaps a 50/50 at the level below, imo. He isn’t a prodigy nor is he a prodigious talent; he’d be doing superbly to get the #2 role at a CL-chasing club. That’s not an insult and doesn’t mean he can’t go on to be the #1 guy.
The talk of why would he take the gig is a matter of what he believes he is capable of. If he’s of the opinion he is the guy, he’s not going to a top club thinking he’s an understudy; he’s backing himself to take the top guy’s role off him via training and performance. If he doesn’t back himself as highly, he’s looking for the top role at a smaller club.
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Another goal and assist today for him. Funnily enough Biereth (the other player I recommended scored too).
Such as?
Which? (with our funds and PSR regs).
Im curious where this avalanche of alternative strikers are that won’t cost an arm and a leg and hit the ground running? According to most there’s no room for anything other than hitting goals every week. So, who out there is absolutely guaranteed to not only score goals but adapt to the team and the league?
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TLDR version:
Name/xG/npxG
Premier League:
Isak 19.33/16.0 (expensive £100m+?)
Watkins 17.30/13.0 (older)
Wissa 16.47/14.9 (older)
Mateta 14.12/10.5 (possible but older)
Delap 11.59/7.4 (young and cheap)
La Liga:
Barry 14.89/11.2 (certainly more than £30m release clause ~£34m but I can’t find a great source)
Bundesliga
Ekitike 21.02/17.7 (probably the best at market but maybe too expensive?)
Sêsko 10.33/7.8 (unique physcial profile but still a gamble and costly)
Ligue 1
Emegha 15.69/15.2 (might move to Chelsea don’t think they’d sell but he’s superb physically)
Biereth 10.68/8.4 (Probably the best penalty box striker in the top 5 leagues apart from Haaland)
The I actually Want to Learn a Bit About Strikers of Europe Version:
Essentially of those xG listed previously I think the shortlisted are players that could reasonably move in the summer.
For the PL Isak is the stand out. He’s simply the best striker on the market right now but his price would be prohibitive. He’s the final puzzle piece type transfer and the kind of player perfect for Arsenal at their stage of squad building. The rest of these Watkins, Wissa and Mateta represent alternatives to Delap but obviously are older and so the upside and value is questionable despite there being more current ability. I can’t imagine their fees being stupidly north of £40m let’s say but I can understand the club hesitating to buy. Watkins would appear to be an easy enough deal to make and he suits a pressing forward role. But his age is a concern. Mateta is probably the best blend of experience and current ability whilst being a reasonably affordable player though. His stats, physical profile and age make him probably the best affordable PL striker at market.
In La Liga there is a potential one, Barry is the closest as he’s got a good physical and technical level well above most other forwards especially of his build. I think, for the right fee, he could be gettable and he’s got everything a modern forward needs. He’s adapted once already since his summer move, so in my view there is smaller risk of failure. I think he’s someone with another year of development in Spain would turn into a really dominant forward in La Liga and become £50m+ sort of player as he’s very comfortable in central and wide areas with and without the ball. I think if he’s going to be bought for a reasonable fee it would need to be this summer.
Serie A I just don’t think any of those strikers are suited to the PL for what we want. The physicality just isn’t in my opinion there. That doesn’t mean there aren’t good strikers I just don’t see any of them as sensible gambles relative to Delap hence the omission.
The Bundesliga has two good candidates Ekitike, who I really like and think could be the next Isak. He profiles well for a modern forward but would likely command a fee around £50m maybe higher which I’m sure will put a lot of clubs off. He’s absolutely a player who could explode and to be honest with how his season is going I can’t see him not moving in the summer. He has the potential to be a player we’ll be screaming why didn’t we take the gamble? One of the things I look for in a forward is do they get off shots in a game and he averages around 4 per match, which trust me is good! He leads npxg in a Germany too ahead of Kane and personally think he’s one of the few players I would prefer to Delap that wouldn’t cost an absolute fortune (a la Isak).
The alternative to him is Šeško who has a unique physical and technical profile and ball striking ability which means I’d be amazed if he doesn’t become a top CF somewhere. I just think the ship has sailed for us as he has better options in the summer and would probably be around £60m+ to sign.
Finally there is Ligue 1 and this is where I think we could find some value. Emegha and Biereth are two really exciting players. Emegha is an absolute athlete whose ability to sprint at high intensity and speed is already world class. His npxG is outstanding and if Chelsea don’t take advantage of him being at Strasbourg I think a lot of clubs will be interested in him. He’s incredibly selfish mind, but as a striker does it matter? For upwards of £30m he seems tailor made for the PL. As for Biereth, he’s probably the best penalty box striker at U23 level in the world. He’s a perfect example of a player who has been successful across multiple leagues with steady progression.
If I had to rank them in order of who I’d want ideally:
- Isak
- Ekitike
- Emegha
- Biereth
- Sesko
- Delap
- Mateta
- Barry
- Watkins
- Wissa
And my point is, possibly barring Isak who I think would be a hit but way out of our price range, EVERY single player is a gamble. Nobody is guaranteed. However Delap will be 30m not 65 or 75m. If it doesn’t work out with him, we can resell and not lose out financially. We’re not in the position anymore unfortunately where we can write off huge transfer fees because Sesko can’t hit a barn door or whatever. Delap is where we are currently at. Maybe he takes us to the CL and then we can upgrade positions
Get Delap in if we don’t have Gyokeres type money. Delap will improve us with his physicality and carrying ability alone. Especially if Cunha is helping as well
At the minimum he is physically strong (and more importantly able to use it against PL defenders). But I fully expect him and other incomings to go down in performance as they join our dysfunctional low confidence team.
Imagine replacing Isak with Delap, just as Isak starts hitting his prime.
Isak is the last person they would sell to comply with PSR. There is no way they are signing Delap because they are selling Isak, that is not how a club hungry to grow would act.
There is a strong chance they will have CL football next season and they want to push on towards a title challenge and they will never get there if they keep selling their best players. They will be keen to maximise Bruno, Tonali, Isak etc and add to that.
I would rather sign Etikete at 60M than Delap at 30M.
Etikete is better in almost all performance metrics this season than Delap.
More importantly,
Delap:
Tackles per 90: 0.37
Interception per 90: 0.07
Etikete:
Tackles per 90: 0.71
Interception per 90: 0.39
Delap's pressing is non-existent
Etikete is better in almost all performance metrics this season than Delap.
More importantly,
Delap:
Tackles per 90: 0.37
Interception per 90: 0.07
Etikete:
Tackles per 90: 0.71
Interception per 90: 0.39
Delap's pressing is non-existent
Sketchy stats - Ipswich play a completely different game from Frankfurt and are comfortably the 2nd worst side in the league. Eye test is better in these cases and he presses really well.
It's very strange to me that people are against this signing for 30m. We are complaining for years to make sensible transfer for someone who is on the rise. This should be a no brainer.
He's young enough to make significant improvement, on a low fee because his team is getting relegated, and already accustomed to Premier League.
If he failed the way of Hojlund, we should not have difficulty moving him on, since the hit on PSR wouldn't be as big as Rasmus. And from what I see on this new management, they're not going to give crazy salary to him either.
He's young enough to make significant improvement, on a low fee because his team is getting relegated, and already accustomed to Premier League.
If he failed the way of Hojlund, we should not have difficulty moving him on, since the hit on PSR wouldn't be as big as Rasmus. And from what I see on this new management, they're not going to give crazy salary to him either.
People just love to complain. Cafe posters are not the best judges of talent. Remember that lots of people did not want Carrick when we were linked back then.
If you ask me he’s fine as well as you could ask of a young number 9 playing his first year in the league for an awful relegation side. Really have to take into account how poor Ipswich were all year when judging his stats. Every time I tuned in he passed the eye test. Great hold up play, really strong running with the ball on the break, super active in and around the box constantly pulling defenders out of their shape with his runs, and a good striker’s instinct to find himself in the right spots at the right time.
Ideally we could get both as they different profiles, however have accepted that's definitely not gonna happen. I hate myself for making this comparison but would people have felt the same about signing Kane when he was 22.
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Yeah, you could say that if the club actually had even a modest record of recruiting players that come here and are successful. You highlighted Carrick, a signing from 2006, 19-years ago, under the greatest manager of all-time, in a period where we/he more often turned water into wine. How about you zoom even 10-years forward and highlight a few players the club have done right by signing?
The club has more than earned scrutiny when it comes to recruitment; we've been really bad it for a long time and our flop rate is extraordinarily long. Why is that?
Flashback to the Hojlund transfer thread and those warning he needed to be brought in alongside an experienced forward were so spot on with their assessment that it makes you wonder what the club were playing at throwing a young forward to the wolves like they did.
Yeah and we still aren't signing an experienced forward to potentially help this guy IF he chooses us. I really thought the club would have learnt from Hojlund mistake as it would help take the pressure off
It’s the caf. We could be linked to R9/Henry/Messi all at their peak and the caf will find something to complain about.
Half the people here still think we’ve some mythical level that players need to reach before we should sign them, ignoring the reality that our standards have stooped so low that most players linked would be an improvement already.
I would take Watkins or Wissa over him. They wont cost an arm and a leg.
Neither will he as there is a £30m relegation clause
What are you actually saying here? That Delap is the striker who should be expected to lead the charge to CL qualification, or, that CL qualification isn't realistic for next season and things should be done in accordance with the sunken entity you're saying we are?
I know. They are miles better than him.
I for one not against signing him. On the condition we sign another established like Watkins or Wissa. My problem is signing him as our main man, he is not that good (yet).
Yeah or Mateta who shone for Palace at Wembley
What we should actually do.. Is bring an experienced striker that Chido learn from. Not one who himself need to learn.
Or Mateta exactly.
Yeah that's another suggestion, however the club seem set on this guy and not moving away from it. FFS Utd either get someone from Chido to learn from as you said or bring in Delap and get him to learn from that player.
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Oh I agree. 100% every player is a gamble.
I think this is the club looking at players like I outlined above (plus Osimhen and Gyokeres) and thinking along those lines of a £30m investment in Delap is a good deal whether he’s a starter, long term backup or eventually resold in future.
There are potentially better strikers at market than him but for his fee there absolutely isn’t anyone that represents as good value.