Yeah there's just not enough noise we could convince either of them even if we could win Europa League
Liam Delap | £30m release clause?
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I'm not saying this is the Starting XI for next season or the positions necessarily but if we did sign Delap, we could potentially line up this spine:
---------- Delap
Mount ------- Bruno
Martinez--Ugarte
---------De Ligt
That's a snarly spine for sure
---------- Delap
Mount ------- Bruno
Martinez--Ugarte
---------De Ligt
That's a snarly spine for sure
I don't see it with him
Same. In my mind if we’re going for young/cheaper you either go out and out pace (I.e. Jackson at Chelsea, not a great player but lightening quick and hard to defend against with any bit of quality on passes through). Or more of a Berbatov like person who will be elite at hold up, linking and basically be like Zirksee but much more of an out and out striker. Someone like that German striker who got the hat trick vs Spain, he’s like Peter crouch but quite fast. So good I have forgotten his name clearly.
Is this a bird’s view of Delap, Bruno, Ugarte and de Ligt standing in a half circle around Mount and Martinez on the treatment table?
haha good one
So much conjecture (especially on Osimhens wages which has been refuted many times), all to tell me my preference may not be possible. Well, I would still prefer Gyokeres and a 30/35m 10 as opposed to Cunha and Delap.
Pretty sure you have no clue if we do or not
I have no interest in the noise, there was no noise about signing Yoro or DeLigt until it was close to happening, and from memory we hardly ever sign the players we are heavily linked to before the summer. This isn't the first summer of Cunha rumours, willing to be his agent is doing a good job at marketing him.
Rude.
Pointing out the truth is not rude. Unless you believe you are privy to inside information about the club?
It's really not that deep. We aren't signing Osimhen or Gyökeres. Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble. Back to the real world - Delap.
Indeed and we were not signing Yoro last summer too
Dont see it, we already have 3 development strikers putting it kindly, in Hoijlund, Zerkzee and Obi martin, we need to buy the best available ready striker on the market in the summer and that wont be Delap.
We were though. It was only us and Madrid in the running for Yoro. We had to pay significantly beyond what Madrid were prepared to offer in order to bring him in. Do you think other clubs will choose not to go to £60m for Osimhen? Or do you think we'll offer £80m and blow them out of the water?
If we can convince Gyokeres to come, and he’s available for 60m due to some clause, I think we get him first and make our other signings fit around it. If I had to guess, if we suddenly see Delap picking up speed, it’s probably because we can’t afford or got turned down by Osimhen and Gyokeres. Then we go and get Cunha or something.
Like you with Gyokeres, no one gave us a chance to convince him to join us over Madrid, Yoro could have still went to Madrid if he wanted, we convinced him with a clearer path to first team football. As for Osimhen he has a release clause, we don't need to blow anyone out of the water, we just need to convince the player, same for Gyokeres.
Because we went above and beyond what Madrid were prepared to pay. Otherwise, Yoro would be a Madrid player right now. Everyone knows that Osimhen/Gyökeres will cost approximately £60-65m. We won't be outbidding anyone.
It may well be the best available if the others choose elsewhere
If he wanted to go to Madrid he would have, they wanted him on a free this summer
I'm sure they did. Thankfully, he was in a hurry to move. Although I dare say, Lille were absolutely desperate to move him on for a significant fee, as opposed to lose him for free.
Who should be that more experienced striker then in your opinion?
If he's on top of our target list, we should move quickly. 30 million for him and 60 million for Cunha would fix our attack.
The only experienceed strikers we've really been linked with are Gyokeres, Osimhen, and Mateta. Out of the three, only Mateta has Premier League experience. Osimhen and Gyokeres have both proven themselves in Europe, but neither has played in the Premier League, which does carry a bit of risk. That said, Osimhen has shown he can deliver wherever he goes, but the wages he’d demand would likely be way beyond what we’re willing to pay.
If I had to pick one, I’d probably go with Gyokeres. He’s already familiar with English football, knows how to find the back of the net, and crucially, he’s worked under Amorim before - which could be a huge plus.
That said, if we end up signing Cunha and already have Bruno in the front three, I’d like to think we’d have enough experience up top to support a young striker like Delap or Højlund. The concern is if a young striker comes in and crumbles under pressure, we’re basically back to square one. On the flip side, someone like Delap would cost just £30M and be on relatively low wages compared to Osimhen or Gyökeres, so the risk is a bit more manageable.
Next season, I think we'll see:
Delap/Hojlund
Cunha/Zirkzee - Bruno/Mainoo
I genuinely think Garnacho could be sold.Cunha/Zirkzee - Bruno/Mainoo
95% certain that adding Cunha wouldn’t make a huge difference to Hojlunds goal scoring. I take your point on Delap though.
Saying that still looks relatively weak as an attacking lineup especially if you get an injury. If we were aiming for say top 4 we would have the weakest set of attackers still out of the competition
This would be another mistake. We should go all out for an established striker in the summer, even if it's the only signing we could make. We need to stop this obsession of finding up and coming talent just to save some money. We've wasted enough money trying this already. Delap is a good player, but we need to do better. Is our ambition to close the gap and compete, or do we want establish ourselves as a top 8 side?
I believe so. I'm sure there have been plenty of stories of clubs paying more to spread the cost.
Delap ia a good player but he wouldn't fix our attack like some here claim. He'd surely upgrade us since he'd be a good backup striker. But we'd still lack a starting level CF.
I think we've got around 100m in transfers without having to sell to buy.
Now I know that's crazy but I can see us bringing Osimhen as first teamer and Delap as cover. Napoli wants Garnacho and Hojlund while they want to get rid of Osimhen. They aren't the biggest of clubs in terms of pull factor so bringing in two players who would love to play for them without spending too much would be great for them. Therefore I can see a deal being made with the two leaving for Osimhen. Then we add Delap as cover for 30m. Zirkzee, Mainoo, Bruno, Amad and Mount would be the no 10s and we invest at the midfield base with a no 8 and a possible cover for Ugarte. The names will depend on sales of Sancho, Casemiro and Rashford + the reduction in salary we'll have next season with so many players leaving
it may depend on the terms of release. Zirkzee for example yes we paid a bit more and spread it out.
For some reason I have the same view, maybe because its a nice round figure
But if thats correct and if we do offload say, Rashford, Antony and Sancho (with Lindelof/Eriksen going on frees and freeing up our wage bill) - is it safe to assume £130m?
- Delap (30m)
- Cunha (60m)
- Frimpong (30m)
^ something like this works better in my eyes because we desperately need a true RWB, whilst Cunha is a great theoretical fit for a 10 and is capable of leading the line if called upon too.
If we offload Garnacho then yes I see Osimhen as a very strong candidate. I'd probably expect us to get rid of Garna if Cunha did join us.
I do get the feeling that he's the sort of player who stays somewhere like Everton or West Ham, always gets talked about as being on the cusp of a big club move but never reaches that level.
ineos putting out our targets quite early. Thought they’d be smart and put out briefs about players we don’t want so we can quietly do our business and get the ones we do want.
Maybe that’s what they’re doing?
How do you know that isn’t what is happening?
I did think that but then I thought no because there new criteria is targeting younger players which Delap fits in that criteria. Also we briefed about zirkzee etc in the summer and got them.
Because Delap fits in with there new criteria with signings. Same with Dibling, Young and cheap.
For some reason I have the same view, maybe because its a nice round figure
But if thats correct and if we do offload say, Rashford, Antony and Sancho (with Lindelof/Eriksen going on frees and freeing up our wage bill) - is it safe to assume £130m?
- Delap (30m)
- Cunha (60m)
- Frimpong (30m)
^ something like this works better in my eyes because we desperately need a true RWB, whilst Cunha is a great theoretical fit for a 10 and is capable of leading the line if called upon too.
If we offload Garnacho then yes I see Osimhen as a very strong candidate. I'd probably expect us to get rid of Garna if Cunha did join us.
I know how Napoli work and what makes then tick. Napoli love Argentinian nutters. They fell in love with them when Maradona played there and they love that mix of arrogance and unpredictability that Diego and Higuian brought. Garnacho's salary isn't too high and De Laurentiis will find it easy to sell Garnacho to the fans as replacement for Kvara. They also need a striker badly. Lukaku does score goals but he's 31 + Raspadori and Simeone aren't doing very well. Someone young but with experience (for his age) like Hojlund would be good for them as cover and successor for Lukaku. If they can get them as a package deal while concurrently getting rid of Osimhen and his monstrous salary then they'll do it.
The same can be said about United. First of all we need goals something Osimhen can bring, Delap might bring and Hojlund is not bringing. INEOS are also building a reputation of becoming the Wenger's version of owners (ie constantly searching for kids). Osimhen would be a statement signing which will show intent by the owners to be competitive while concurrently weaken the hit of us selling Garnacho. His salary is an issue but it wouldn't that much of a problem if we can get rid of the likes of Rashy, Sancho, Eriksen and Casemiro.
Didn't Grana reject Napoli in the winter though?