Lets go for the sponsors!

Your argument falls down immediately because it’s fundamentally flawed.
You are risking long term, if not permanent pain, for the short term gain of self satisfaction that you’ve caused some effect, no matter what the consequences might be.
Objecting to this mad idea isn’t naive or a sign of weakness. It’s flagging up the realty of how stupid it is.

The brand is strong and will survive. Juventus literally broke the law and were relegated but that didn't stop them from coming back and being sponsored again. And they are not even in the same league when it comes to the size and brand recognition as Manchester United. Sponsors will quickly come back, especially if the club is being ran properly. PL + United? Please.
 
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Whilst I'm apathetic to the idea of a sponsor boycott, boycotting club aspects like merch, match day attendance, viewing figures... All that stuff will have a similar effect, if Man Utd is seen as a less profitable and visible brand then the sponsorship deals will get smaller anyway.

I don't know what the answer is, I just don't think there's a way to try and organise movement that doesn't harm the club in the short to medium term.

That's the point. People need to think very clearly before jumping on any 'Yeah! Any change must = good!' bandwagon because it won't necessarily.

Devaluing the club would open us up to a much wider range of potential investors and consortium's and I personally think that's a very bad thing with a much higher likelihood of disaster.

Let's be honest here. The Glazers are a problem but they aren't the only problem. We are where we are for so many different reasons, and getting recruitment and player compensation right will be a far easier way of getting United back to the top.

Ultimately, if there were an investor out there who wanted to do it for love and not money, and was prepared to throw a fortune at us with no expectation of return, then they would have come forward by now and made major moves to buy the club.
 
And this is a price worth paying for you?
Yes. I’d rather spend a decade building upwards from division 1 than another 5 more seasons of mediocrity. We can rise from the ashes. Sponsorship is a fickle thing. It’ll come back soon enough. City were in Divsion 1 not too long ago and look where they are now.
 
I think the whole be careful what you wish for or cutting nose off to spite fact arguments have had their day now. They are running club into the ground on and off the pitch, they borrow in USD which is now extremely expensive to do. Club is becoming less and less attractive commercially and qualification for a champions League is hit and miss.

Any damage done to upsetting sponsors is going to be pretty insignificant in comparison to what the Glazers are doing. They have and will continue to run club same way. It’s unlikely to get better unless they find a genius manager that can succeed in-spite of all the issues at the club.
 
When those investors buy a club they need to get luck with the personal that are already working for the club and people they will hire to be ahead of internal affairs. The money invested in the last years is enough to form a competitive side. This is more about picking wrong managers and consequent bad choices in the transfer market.

There is no reason for panic. Ten Hag will need some time and two or three transfer windows.
 
I think the whole be careful what you wish for or cutting nose off to spite fact arguments have had their day now. They are running club into the ground on and off the pitch, they borrow in USD which is now extremely expensive to do. Club is becoming less and less attractive commercially and qualification for a champions League is hit and miss.

Any damage done to upsetting sponsors is going to be pretty insignificant in comparison to what the Glazers are doing. They have and will continue to run club same way. It’s unlikely to get better unless they find a genius manager that can succeed in-spite of all the issues at the club.

Driving sponsors away long term is a concern not grounded in reality. As I said, Juventus were found guilty of match fixing and relegated. They came back almost immediately and won the Scudetto 9 times. Go on their website and see how the sponsors have been driven away. And being found guilty of match fixing is significantly worse than fans leaving mean comments, writing bad reviews, and cancelling games. Sponsors don't care much about these things in the long term, especially if you continue put eyes to brand names and logos. And United and the Premier League are orders of magnitude more valuable than Juventus and Seria A in this regard.

Right now as it is the club is dying a death by a thousand cuts. I'd take a season down in Championship and a chance for real change than miring in mediocrity for another 10-15-however many years it takes to get rid of the parasites. There is argument to be made that the second option will do a lot more damage over time than the first one. It's already evident.
 
That's the point. People need to think very clearly before jumping on any 'Yeah! Any change must = good!' bandwagon because it won't necessarily.

Devaluing the club would open us up to a much wider range of potential investors and consortium's and I personally think that's a very bad thing with a much higher likelihood of disaster.

Let's be honest here. The Glazers are a problem but they aren't the only problem. We are where we are for so many different reasons, and getting recruitment and player compensation right will be a far easier way of getting United back to the top.

Ultimately, if there were an investor out there who wanted to do it for love and not money, and was prepared to throw a fortune at us with no expectation of return, then they would have come forward by now and made major moves to buy the club.

Agreed.

"Glazers out" isn't a logical stance in and of itself.
 
But Juventus were supported big time by fans and players, so very attractive for sponsors. Why will sponsors go back to a club were the fans didn’t want them and pushed the sponsors out of the club? They will wait and see what will happen next because they will think it could happen again. Maybe the owner is gone, with which the sponsors had no problem, but the supporters are still there and they pushed the sponsors out. In their view it could happen again. So it doesn’t look anything like the Juventus case.
 
I can’t believe that’s some concerns are:
  1. Reducing revenues will hurt the football side. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, the football side has been hurting for a long time now and the only sides that’s have been doing well are the Glazers’ pockets and the debt holders. Reducing revenue hurts them, increases the pressure from the debt holders, and ultimately reduces the club’s valuation and puts pressure on the Glazers to sell up.
  2. Short term gain for long term pain - ie the sponsors won’t come back. LMAO! This ain’t your local pub team trying to get the village grocer and garage as sponsors. This is one of the most well-known names in the world. As Telsim pointed out - Juve was actually accused something far more heinous, but the brand was still strong enough to recover. In a highly competitive global marketplace, things move fast, and United’s brand can be easily restored because everyone loves a winner. The commodity that’s sold to sponsors is the fans’ attention and it boggles the mind that some think that will never be appealing to sponsors. Even under an ailing United side, Dick Arnold was still able to con sponsors like Team-Viewer.
  3. There really aren’t any other viable alternatives - supporters are too fractured and docile to carry out a sustained boycott and protest of games. Arguments like tourists will take the seats are excuses.While it maybe the case initially, I don’t think there are enough touritsts to fill every home game. This is the real short term gain for long term pain - attend matches (bc it’s a days outting with mates) and buy the jersey (bc it’s fun), while giving money and sustaining the parasites who’ve been bleeding the club dry for years. I will never understand this defeatist masochistic mentality that accepts and actually pays money for this languishing decline. Kudos to the posters that shared the list of sponsors - I haven’t touched Adidas stuff in years (my money now goes to Nike, etc).
 
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This would be by far the most effective strategy but it's also high-risk as by cutting-off the source of the Glazer funds we're also cutting off any funding for the team.

From a brands' perspective, paying a fee to be abused and see your reputation absolutely tank via association would be an absolute disaster.
 
That's the point. People need to think very clearly before jumping on any 'Yeah! Any change must = good!' bandwagon because it won't necessarily.

Devaluing the club would open us up to a much wider range of potential investors and consortium's and I personally think that's a very bad thing with a much higher likelihood of disaster.

Let's be honest here. The Glazers are a problem but they aren't the only problem. We are where we are for so many different reasons, and getting recruitment and player compensation right will be a far easier way of getting United back to the top.

Ultimately, if there were an investor out there who wanted to do it for love and not money, and was prepared to throw a fortune at us with no expectation of return, then they would have come forward by now and made major moves to buy the club.
I think you're underestimating the demand for Manchester United by way of buyers. Ratcliff is one investor who would more than likely wait in the wings should Glazers sell.
 
Any protests or attempts to get rid of the Glazers are entirely contingent on being prepared to completely and geniunely step away from supporting the club, including watching games? Are you prepared to do that.

So for local fans, that may involve spending time following and watching FC United of Manchester (ie - people genuinely serious about their hatred for the Glazers. For foreign fans it might involve greater involvement in your domestic leagues. For all, it might involve stepping away from the sport entirely, whatever.

Bottom line, if you're not prepared to step away if your protests aren't working, don't bother wasting your time with any of it.
 
I think you're underestimating the demand for Manchester United by way of buyers. Ratcliff is one investor who would more than likely wait in the wings should Glazers sell.

The demand is there but how many of those are in it to make money like the Glazers? How many will take a dividend like the Glazers? Most I think, and if they are taking out then they aren't putting in.
 
The demand is there but how many of those are in it to make money like the Glazers? How many will take a dividend like the Glazers? Most I think, and if they are taking out then they aren't putting in.
Yes, but the problem is not solely that Glazers are taking dividends out the club. It's that Joel Glazer is disturbing football operations in a terrible manner, and doesn't care about on-pitch results, or going to see games, investing in the facilities/training ground/stadiums.


You are basically saying that all the investors, or most of them would 1) want to take dividends and 2) not give a shit about the footballing like the Glazers - which I find far fetched.
 
Yes, but the problem is not solely that Glazers are taking dividends out the club. It's that Joel Glazer is disturbing football operations in a terrible manner, and doesn't care about on-pitch results, or going to see games, investing in the facilities/training ground/stadiums.


You are basically saying that all the investors, or most of them would 1) want to take dividends and 2) not give a shit about the footballing like the Glazers - which I find far fetched.

I agree with you. The Glazers are far from ideal owners. I'd love to see the back of them. My position is simply that I don't think there are many potential owners out there that will do what we want them to do, spend money and give a sh*t.

Our share price has tanked. If ever we were a viable investment opportunity it is now. There is little no interest in buying the club
 
If a serious number of season ticket holders boycott the games then no tourist can buy those seats. That would make a difference.