Not fans, the media, and not polish, but Europe - wide.
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Oh well. Again with the hate, not sure where you get that from. I’ve had plenty of decent conversations with England fans on here and there is no hate. Just a difference of opinion of how I see some things. If you and your defenders get you knickers in a twist over that, so be it.
Thats nonsense, none of the big PL teams are seen as having big hooligan fan bases. The PL has become mostly sanitised family friendly fare. You have fans of United, Arsenal, City, Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea regularly travelling around Europe each week and clashes are extremely rare.Our fans saying the English are arrogant, when one of our most famous banners is "not arrogant, just better".The reality is glaring at you, ladies and gents.
What some of you think of the England fans is what the majority of football fans see you as a Manchester United fan.
The view of the thug England fan is much worse and almost like trouble is expected. I think it was Andy Mitten who said that the fans tend to be from areas where their local teams are in the lower leagues (think he name checked Coventry as an example) and that these fans might not have as many big football nights so go all in for England and tend to be the ones going nuts.
And?
It's jinxed is what it is. Jinxed i tells ya!
It's not just a difference of opinion when you resorted to childish insults, when I was nothing but respectful in my explanation of why you're missing key context about the "It's coming home" song/chant. Anyway nothing I, or anyone, tells you about it will change your mind, you'll continue to think that you know more about English football fan culture than English football fans, and I imagine you'll remain unable to grasp the irony in you disliking England fans because of their "arrogance".
Beautiful to see. Might watch it again tonight. Fecking epic entertainment.
Never spoke about hooliganism, but I can go that way too. Remember vividly the picture of the Marseille hooligans during Euro 2016. Lovely times, fans were enjoying their wines and baguettes. Or simply we should look at the ultras of most Italian clubs - proud fascists and nazi lovers. The guys from Poland have no right to speak either, because one of the most feared hooligan groups come from there, literal killers.
Basically, most of you are a bunch of hypocrites and have no ground to stand on when accusing the English for being "arrogant" or having hooligan fans.
shame. Good on you for making it real.The whole fans/hooligans angle has been lost on me since we played in 2014 in Sao Paulo. Before, after, but particularly during the game, regular folk cheering for their country as legitimately as I was.
And I'd add, more respectfully. There I was with my flag and painted face, surrounded by England fans, belting out "You're not singing any more" after Suarez's second. You know what shut me up? Looking around and realising I was the bellend in that section.
Not much laughing going on in your thread @Hectic
This is the best thread, and i hope it wins thread of the year 2021. Beautiful beautiful day. I heard it was raining in England today. Tears from the skies.
Probably because they’ve been tarred as if they’re part of the shit contingent of England fans for the last week or so by lot of people on here, by people saying England fans have no respect while showing perfectly normal and innocent England fans no respect on a largely English forum. The irony is off the charts.
You can’t make sweeping statements and go off on completely wrong narratives just so you can have a go at people and not expect them to respond (not saying that’s you), even if it is supposedly just banter.
I woke up and been slogging through this all day
Still like 11 more pages to go. But for every 1 I read, I come back and there is 2 more.
This is my thread of the year for sure.
Its the most hilarious shite ever
Still like 11 more pages to go. But for every 1 I read, I come back and there is 2 more.
This is my thread of the year for sure.
Its the most hilarious shite ever
I think it was @fergies coat
I remember his arrogance pre final. Full meltdown today.
Love to see it
Completely lack of respect for the teams they still needed to play against to win it. And although the England NT has quality, they barely did anything as a team that could convince anyone without any doubt that they would be the team lifting the trophy.
The one time I called you petal? Ok I apologise for that if it cut you so deep.
and Once more, I fully understand the lyrics and meaning behind the three lions song and have liked it since it’s release.
Sheer lack of self awareness.Seems more like the rawk mentality is from the other side
The England fans are just baffled by the odd reasons being given.
Lingard would have scored.
It's possible to dislike English hooliganism even if one is from a country which has hooligans itself. It really is possible.
Was the hate too strong to actually try to understand what I had written before replying? I wasn't saying the success and number of trophies was similar, just the hate received. Maybe a little thought before responding next time?
I'm quite happy with my hair to be fair.
What do you expect? This tournament, the English shared the head lines only with the Hungarian fans and they went out in the group stage. So naturally, everybody antagonizes you and not the Russians. 2021 you were the country that embarassed itself the most in so many ways and that's the cause for the gloating.
France was 2018 and if they made it to the final in similar fashion as England did in 2021 with all the noise, the reactions would have been the same. This isn't about an England bias, it's just people don't want bad behaviour to be rewarded.
Yes, absolutely. It's a shame how certain fan groups act in Germany. And if our manager says something stupid, you can also criticize that. Actions and consequences
True but this doesn't explain the universal antagonization of England this tournament. Personally, I haven't experienced something like that bar maybe Italy 2006 - and I don't know if that was really an international phenomenon or limited to Germany. Probably the whole of Europe perceived you as the bad guys in this final.
I don't know what he's said now, but he's the chief prick referred to in Mockney's post. I wouldn't bother anymore.
He clearly gets off on pissing people off (even if we're all United fans), so let him enjoy it. In all likelihood we're wasting our time arguing with a teenager.
How has this hit 44 pages?
I'm not. The two things overlap here. ABEs mistake joy/hope/excitement for arrogance, which is why there's value in questioning what the ABEs believe justifies their schadenfreude.
So what, is there a new dick-measuring trophy now, whose hooligans are the least violent or racist?
Where's your medal gone, wheres your medal gone.
Yeah because suggesting England fans, of all people, are arrogant, isn't a complete lack of awareness
I'm just responding to all the weirdos who are saying it's hypocrital to dislike England for its hooligans when your country has it. Whatever one chooses as a reason to support one team and as result want the other to lose, is completely irrelevant
I think there was one English guy who tried that yesterday but it didn't go to well.
In fairness, those two won the last couple of World Cups. If you had to choose a neutral ground for a Euro final BEFORE the tournament London was the obvious safe choice out of the bigger cities.
I also think if anything holding the final at home was a curse once you got to squeaky bum time.
You also told me to bore off.
It's amazing that you can't have this conversation like an adult - even in your "apology" you're being insulting.
And you can say you understand it as much as you like, you continue to demonstrate that you don't understand it, or the people singing it, at all.
I think you're probably right.
I don't mind people laughing at England at all, it's part of football banter. Singing "It's coming Rome" is actually pretty funny. But yeah don't try to justify your dislike of England with a fundamental misunderstanding of their fans and football culture, just own up to not liking them for any number of other perfectly good reasons.
The absolute state of this.
Whole thread is bizarre to me, i could never imagine going on Juventus or Milan's forum and just hammering into Italy
Its not even witty or funny about 95% of the comments.
Its not even witty or funny about 95% of the comments.
You just knew this would happen after all the ridiculous threads in the semi finals.
Some of y'all need to just log off and calm down.
Some of y'all need to just log off and calm down.
Not through laughter
How very arrogant of you to just assume and make such a brushing statement, as if getting my nationality right is beneath you, when it's visible right there on my profile.
And the racism on social media is international. I've seen all types of people say nasty racist things. So I'm talking about Manchester United fans in a global aspect, not just domestically. I say our fanbase has big problems, racism being one of them.
As I said I’m Irish, we don’t have ANY hooligans. I don’t want to be associated with hooligans or racists and neither do 99.9% of the people on here, If any at all. You’re having a tantrum here big time man. Accusing innocent non discriminative people of enabling the racial abuse of footballers and all? It’s way ott and wide of the mark when you’re talking to most of us. As an Irish person we were abused in every imaginable way by the English yet you call me a hypocrite? At least I can let it all go and enjoy football for what it is, entertainment, unlike some England fans and media. The vast vast majority of United fans are more than alright with me, they’ve always been very welcoming to all nationalities as far as I could see. Big Irish influence in Manchester. Great nights. Happy days.
27 arrests out of how many millions of fans? I’d say relatively speaking that’s a very low number of idiots who are now banned for life. Good for them. Hopefully the club keeps it up! That element clearly still exists in English society. Hero’s when they win, immigrants when they lose. It’s sickening to me.
Like linking an article like that and calling people hypocrites just makes you look daft. Is there a problem in football? Absolutely but we aren’t the worst club out there, not by a long long shot.
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