Yes, it’s everybody else’s fault.
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He's playing innocent but he knew what he was insinuating...
"All too unbelievable in some ways, possibly."
Anyone heard from Sam? I'm worried about him
There is way too much talent in this England squad for them to simply fade into oblivion. They're young and hungry and will be all the more determined after missing out on penalties.
England got through the entire tournament without losing a single game, which is quite an achievement considering past major tournaments where we almost always fell apart. This England side is different, you can't deny that.
On bolded: even if they had played the games the same way they did at Wembley?
A quick disclaimer -- I'm not even English but I think you're being unreasonable here. I rather not bring up the Sterling penalty incident again because I've decided that people are going to see what they want to see, but I do wonder what you think on the Kane penalty incident in the second half of normal time. Like I said, hate England as much as you like because of their obnoxious fans, arrogant/deluded pundits, etc., I can't stand most of them, too. With that being said, when you make things up by saying that it's clear they've been favoured in an online forum of an English club full of England fans, I guess they have every right to call you out.
So when everyone acuses you of being arrogant it's because they are arrogant and not you ?
Cool cool cool
I'll hold my hand up and say that I was one of those who thought we could win it, not entitled to win it but could win it.
Before the tournament I thought we might get to the quarters, when we drew Germany I thought well at least we got through the group stage, then when we beat Germany wow, then when the draw just opened up I thought yes now we can go all the way.
So yes maybe I got carried away, hardly the crime of century where football fans are concerned, and if that means an anonymous person on the internet that I don't know hates me despite never meeting me, well I think I can live with that.
I already provided links to French fans storming and looting shops and getting into scuffles with police. It is not my fault you decided to not read the quotes or the articles themselves.
There it is again.
I find it a bit cute that you think this is comparable. I mean, after all the English fans probably were involved in more riots 2016 than the resident French fans themselves and were only "surpassed" by the Russians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016_riots
I mean, it's not like Hungary wasn't similarly unpopular for off the pitch reasons this tournament.
Anyway: Where do you think all this anti-English bias stems from? What's the cause of it?
Self-loathing, insecurity, hair loss and lashing out as a result, who really knows?
Do you know how arrogant that post even looks
Yes sir of course sir right away sir let this poor Irish boy jump to answer your demand
Do you know how arrogant that post even looks
Yes sir of course sir right away sir let this poor Irish boy jump to answer your demand
What arrogance? I only asked you to point out the posts that have upset you.
I thought the ref was terrible.
The argument is not about whether the actions are condonable, but rather when you seem to claim "English fans are the worst" which is ironically already undermined by the very source that you provide.
If you want a discussion about the reasons for an anti-English-bias, then that is for another thread:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/why-are-england-so-hated-as-a-nation.463893/page-28#post-27493883
And that's where foreign United fans not wanting England to win actually makes an awful lot of sense.
Supporting United brings along constant exposure to all that. You watch a game and the commentator will be at it, you watch MOTD and there they are banging on about England. You can't shut out the press of the country/league your team actually plays in.
Easiest way to spare yourself all that is England losing.
They can call me out all they want, i do not care.
I stick to what i said, and i said it long before England lost. At the beginning of the tournament i also said it is stupid that Germany (the team i support) is having all the group stage games at home. Obviously this also counts for the likes of England, Italy, Spain, etc. The whole concept of this tournament was BS and i hope they don't ever do it again like this (even though they easily could have made all the games on neutral places), because it's simply not fair for competition. Everyone knows how much of a difference home advantage can be. As i said, i don't think the referee was bought by England. But still it was a blatant dive by Sterling and VAR should have checked that. I don't even remember the Kane incident, i just remember that it was not a clear pen, at least that was the consens.
To your bolded: No, the games would have been completely different. But having seen how England played against us at Wembley, i have no doubts that we (even under Löw!!) would have slaughtered them in Munich with a (almost) full stadium (without english fans beeing allowed to travel in).
Yeah, that’s a fair point I hadn’t actually considered as well that many countries will be watching the same footage.
How delusional.
It was crappy that Germany, Spain, Italy, etc. also had home games in the group stages. Every game should have been played on a neutral place. But it was ridiculous how England, and ONLY England, had all the games bar the one against Ukraine, at home. Add to that, that England doesn't allow opposition fans to travel in because of quarantine rules and doubles stadium attendance in top 16 even though corona numbers were rising, and you have a clear distortion of competition. (and they still lost and needed a free pen after a dive to beat Denmark
And the behaviour of english fans...
Every tournament has a host nation and it’s never been framed as ‘rigging it’ before. That’s not discounting that this tournament effectively had numerous host nations. England is also the best placed to host a tournament in these situations because of how much of an international country it is. There are large diasporas for most countries here which allowed 8000 Danes to support their team, at Wembley in contrast England were allocated 4500 tickets for their semi final against Croatia in 2018. There are 600000 Italians in the UK, many in London so whilst only 1000 came from Italy the number was much greater in the stadium. We were due to play Germany in Dublin but Ireland pulled out and Germany were the only other nation to bid for the semi-final. The tournament was originally split across countries because the bidding came after the financial crash in 2008 and no one wanted to host it it. England didn’t even have the level of home advantage a side would have in a normal tournament because of Covid restrictions and playing an game away. I’m curious as to why you think this is a big deal?
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There was widespread rioting and looting across France after their win in 2018, people died. were you even aware of this, maybe look up ‘availability heuristic‘ and ‘confirmation bias‘? Of course that’s not to say that England doesn’t have significant issues of its own that need sorting out but when damnation is selectively applied then the motives of those issuing it can can reasonably be questioned.
Football hooliganism is also a lot worse in general in all the other large European countries than it is in England, including Germany, we basically don’t have it at club level anymore. Does this mean we can look down on German football fans?
I think things like bigotry and racism essentially comes from our evolutionary psychology and tribal natures but also that by devaluing others we can feel better about ourselves, our identity and our position in the world. All people do it, at least at times, to a greater or lesser degree.
Yeah England having almost every game at home was a farce, let’s be honest.
Wales had to do a couple of laps of planet earth and never got a home crowd once to my memory.
I mean who organises it so the above opposites can be the case for two teams in the same tournament??
Wales had to do a couple of laps of planet earth and never got a home crowd once to my memory.
I mean who organises it so the above opposites can be the case for two teams in the same tournament??
That’s just the same as a normal hosting country according to some
I'm still waiting for someone to point out the posts where England fans have displayed arrogance. Do they not exist?
Great thread , exposing the haters.
Honestly I’m a bit surprised by all the salt between English and non English United fans here. I am old enough to remember the bad relationship between United fans and England after the abuse of Beckham and United players in general when they played for England in the 90’s and early 2000’s. I get that United is an English club, but I thought the relationship between the two was still pretty sore, hence the «Republic Of Mancunia» and the anti English chants..
Yes, every tournament has a host nation. And that's okay. But this tournament was not supposed to be hosted by England. At least i have missed that point.
And what makes you believe that England is the 'best place to host a tournament'? That sounds arrogant to me once again. Why is England more international than France or Germany for instance? Just because of the language? We can speak english in France and Germany too.
I always new we were up against it with the Italian's. In a one of game anything could happen.
How do you post pics on here?
Agreed. There were United fans who thought they were above watching the Europa League final, even though we’ve been non existent in CL for nearly a decade.
The english been singing that stupid song for decades and it's been heart break after heart break since
The empirical evidence is clear: you need to stop singing
The empirical evidence is clear: you need to stop singing
Sorry but this is extremely arrogant and simply not true considering covid situation, double standards for vips, very difficult situation for foreign fans to come and not get quarantined and now add to that lack of safety. For the health crisis alone, there were countries better placed to host the final and seamlessly allow foreign fans in.
Do you know how many times Germany and France have hosted a Euro or World Cup, compared to England?
That's why they are so good at Werewolf @Moby
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The tournament was not hosted by England and yes Wembley was always scheduled to have more games than other nations but it picked up one more because of circumstance. It was also the luck of the draw from the group because if we'd have finished second we would've had less home games. I've already told you why we're one of the best placed to host the games in this situation, read the post again. It's nothing to do with arrogance.
Once again all together now.
It's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming, trophy going to Rome
It's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming, trophy going to Rome
It's baffling. Surely people have to see their own hypocrisy?
I still can't understand how you can go against a team with 5 United players, against a team with 0 United players. And with the penalties, even if I'm not English, I felt similar pain like the EL final. It was very saddening to see some of our very own players in the exact same situation.
How does it matter? I just was asking the poster who said that England is the best place to host a tournament why he believes that.
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