Leighton Baines

Ekeke said:
You can only have 2 strikers, or 1 as next season may be with Kagawa behind

There are 9 or 10 other players on the pitch who can all help contribute to creating goals

One of them is our left back who actually had his most productive season last season in terms of creating goals in the league. Baines would create far more
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I disagree, in terms of his influence in attacking play in general he would be detrimental. He might have more assists to his name because of his crossing and the fact he takes free kicks, but he is nowhere near Evra in terms of pass and move one touch play and dribbling/beating a man. In our team Baines would not be the sole creator on the wing, nor would he take the freekicks, so would be far less productive in a team that isn't built around that. Also Nani/Young would almost certainly be less productive as a result.

It's like saying because Bent scores at a similar frequency than Rooney he is the better striker (as he's in a worse team) and would score far more than Rooney in our team. It doesn't just work as stat A + better team = stat A + x.
 
Baines is fine with passing and moving. The main one is dribbling, of course Evra is far superior there but thats what your wingers are for.

He would take the freekicks and corners.
 
Ekeke said:
Baines is fine with passing and moving. The main one is dribbling, of course Evra is far superior there but thats what your wingers are for.

He would take the freekicks and corners.
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Yeh he's fine with pass and move but fine isn't and should not be good enough for Manchester United. He can't dribble the ball for toffee and he's far too pedestrian. Can you seriously imagine him containing top-end players with serious pace and trickery? Especially in an open attacking game played at high pace? I know I wouldn't trust him.

And are you actually suggesting it doesn't matter that a supposed attacking full-back can't dribble the ball. Look at the apparent best in the world Coentrao, Marcelo, Alba, Alaba, Perreira...Evra!!! They are all comfortable dribbling at pace. Baines doesn't have that explosiveness. If he is shut down by defensive wingers, midfielders or full-backs he is too easily neutralised. He does not have the variation in his game...he's one dimensional.

He's been Everton's main attacking outlet for a while now which goes a long way to explaining his apparently boss crossing stats.
 
For all the criticism of Evra, its always been due to his defensive frailties, getting someone who isnt much better if at all doesnt make sense to me personally.
 
Varun_Utd said:
For all the criticism of Evra, its always been due to his defensive frailties, getting someone who isnt much better if at all doesnt make sense to me personally.
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Although Baines does offer more in terms of creating opportunities, scoring goals and is a better crosser of the ball. Evra is a better footballer, technically.
 
Looks like this is happening then, I dont doubt he'll get more assists and goals than Evra (so this could be viewed as improving us) but I really dont see LB as a position that needs strengthening especially not at the prices being banded about for Baines

Anyone know how old he is compared to Evra by the way?

EDIT: Holy shit he's 28 this year. Why oh why?
 
This forum does make me laugh:

Just looking down a list of the threads in this section:

"Modric"
"Van Persie"
"Neymar"
"Baines"
 
charlenefan said:
Looks like this is happening then, I dont doubt he'll get more assists and goals than Evra (so this could be viewed as improving us) but I really dont see LB as a position that needs strengthening especially not at the prices being banded about for Baines

Anyone know how old he is compared to Evra by the way?

EDIT: Holy shit he's 28 this year. Why oh why?
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How so?
 
Rafael, Jones, Evans, Smalling(and Fabio after his loan).. it would be good to have experience at the back.
18m would be way too much tho..
 
Everton site suggesting we will pay Everton 15m pounds AND give them Evra for Baines.

:wenger::lol::wenger:

Surely no Everton supporter is that deluded?


http://www.bluekipper.com/players/something_fishy/4828-bainsey_set_to_leave.html?

We are hearing it on good authority that Leighton Baines will be leaving Everton to Manchester United. It certainly not the news we want to be hearing but we are led to believe that Everton are holding out for the maximum amount of Cadburys they can get.

David Moyes recently said that Everton has had no bids from anybody but he did say that players will leave but it will never be easy for anybody to sign our players.

So in reality if Leighton does leave it will be for top dollar. A problem could be leaving it too late to get the deal done. If that happens then Moyesy may not get the chance to spend the money.

If Bainesy went to United it would mean the end for Patrice Evra. Would you be interested in a swap deal. £15m plus the Frenchman?
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No they're not. They're asking would people be interested.
 
It certainly not the news we want to be hearing but we are led to believe that Everton are holding out for the maximum amount of Cadburys they can get.
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:confused:
 
Brophs said:
No they're not. They're asking would people be interested.
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Whatever they're doing, it's hilarious.

I want to say anyone with a brain would jump at that from an Everton perspective, but knowing how biased football makes you, it probably would get turned down by plenty of people who hate Evra and think Baines is the best left back in the world.

Hardly worth suggesting a swap that we'd never go for.
 
Garethw said:
Name a better left back that is available?
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obviously given the prices bandied about for baines, he realy isn't 'available'.

it isn't like he's fallen out with the club, the club is actively trying to move him, or he's run down his contract.

we are just giving everton enough money to convince him to sell.

with that line of thinknig, any left back on the planet is 'available' if we pay the right price.
 
Red Defence said:
If we just go for "available" players then we're less likely to get quality.
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Same with women, but you rarely go out of your way for one that isn't on the Market unless you know her current partner is not as awesome as you and she'd love the opportunity to play for the greatest manager in the...hang on I'm getting confused...
 
Some people probably thought we needed competition for Jelavic which is why we were interested in Evra, Goodevil.
 
I browse GrandOldTeam(Everton's forum) regularly. According to them Bluekipper is unreliable and Leighton Baines is world class.
 
In some ways he seems like a Fergie signing : done his time in the premier league, at a fairly big club, so ready to make a step up that will squeeze some extra improvement out of him.

But then it seems very un-United : ~15m + transfer fee with almost no resale value (presumably we'd have him for his 28-33 years)

I would be slightly disappointed if we got Baines - as inconsistent as Evra has been, to go from him to a player like Baines would seem like a step down.
 
KM said:
I browse GrandOldTeam(Everton's forum) regularly. According to them Bluekipper is unreliable and Leighton Baines is world class.
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Seems to be common view amongst Everton fans. :lol:
 
golden_blunder said:
its clearly only some muppet on a fan forum, why are you getting your knickers in a twist?
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Yeah, I didn't really think about it being a 3rd rate site, I've got my NewsNow feed pretty streamlined these days, this one snuck through because it's probably the first time I clicked on one of their articles.

Still, if you're going to suggest a transaction you might want to try within the realm of possibility. We're unlikely to pay 15m pound for him outright, I'm not sure if he's suggesting Evra's only worth 1m himself or if Baines is worth 30m. Either way it's pretty dumb.

One more site for the filter list.
 
Of course Everton fans think he's world class because he does so much for Everton. If they lose him they'll be up shit creak because they'll lack so much creativity. It'll all be on Pienaar to create every single chance
 
Ekeke said:
Of course Everton fans think he's world class because he does so much for Everton. If they lose him they'll be up shit creak because they'll lack so much creativity. It'll all be on Pienaar to create every single chance
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The one thing that some posters on here don't take into consideration is that other fans can be talking about a player from their own clubs point of view. If i said Baines was excellent, it's because he has been excellent for us, i'm not talking about where he compares to other players.
 
The only thing he's world class at is his crossing, there aren't many better crossers of the ball than him that's for sure.Overall as a footballer, he's not that and probably won't ever be
 
SilentWitness said:
The one thing that some posters on here don't take into consideration is that other fans can be talking about a player from their own clubs point of view. If i said Baines was excellent, it's because he has been excellent for us, i'm not talking about where he compares to other players.
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Question for you as an Everton fan then

If you sell Baines do you worry for Everton? How many players would it realistically take to replace all he does for you (LB, crossing, set pieces, chance creation etc.) ? And which premier league players do you think could fill those roles that are somewhat realistically going to consider moving to Everton, so no top 4 club players and so on

I think perhaps the answers to these questions could help get the point across to people how much Baines actually brings to the table and what we'd be getting if we got him. On the other hand maybe I'm overestimating how much you'd miss him and maybe I'd be the one to learn something
 
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