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From the Guardian:
Leeds count the cost of collapse

Michael Walker
Friday January 17, 2003

Paul Robinson, Jonathan Woodgate and Alan Smith are three players Leeds United would not normally countenance selling. As of yesterday afternoon all three were up for sale. Leeds fans will not like that but creditors and predators know it to be fact. If Smith were not a Leeds player through and through a move to join Rio Ferdinand at Manchester United would be completed very quickly.
The knock-on effects of Robbie Fowler's change of heart at Manchester City yesterday were felt immediately at Leeds, both the football club and the plc. The accepted figure regarding Leeds' debt is £77m. This will have to be paid off at staggered dates demanded by the banks. Last summer Leeds needed to pay off £15m and so Ferdinand was sold for £28m, rising to £32m. Premier League rules dictate that half of any transfer must be paid immediately and the remainder within 12 months, although this is loosely enforced. So Leeds were given £14m by Manchester United and found the other £1m elsewhere.

But there were new deadlines, hence the sale of Robbie Keane to Tottenham for £7m on the last day of August. Spurs would only have had to pay £3.5m up front. One financial by-product for Leeds was that two major wage earners were off the pay roll. This is also why Lee Bowyer was allowed to go to West Ham last week for a small fee and Olivier Dacourt went to Roma on the promise of money in June.

Fowler would have been another off the wage bill while bringing an instant £2m quickly rising to £4.5m. But not now and that leaves Leeds vulnerable. Newcastle, currently frustrated in their efforts to sign Daniel van Buyten from Marseille, could have been expected to rekindle their interest in Woodgate, and maybe not at the £10m price of January 1. But yesterday's news that Woodgate has a thigh injury that could keep him out for up to six weeks may remove him from the transfer shop window.

Middlesbrough showed the likely common response to Fowler's changed circumstance by ringing Leeds directly after the news became public yesterday. Boro and Leeds have been haggling over Seth Johnson for the past fortnight. Middlesbrough are offering £3.5m for the 23-year-old midfielder Leeds bought from Derby County for £7m 14 months ago. Leeds want £5m at least and the sale of Fowler would have left them able to resist Boro's low bid. Once again the power is back with the buying club.

In the midst of this is Terry Venables. As he tries to construct a team he can truly call his own, the manager has wanted to recruit. Presumably when he sat down with Peter Ridsdale last summer he was told that at a certain stage that would be possible. Venables wants to buy the Brazilian Kleberson and Leeds officials were in Brazil negotiating. It looks as though they will be returning empty-handed, maybe in economy class.
 
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I like the Guardian but that has to be a contender for the biggest waste of space in the papers history.

Not one quote and a distinct lack of knowledge as to what is going on at the club.

Interesting choice of players to talk about...

It is no secret that Newcastle want a CB and every CB in the world seems to come under scrutiny...including Woody.

Both Smith and Robinson have recently committed themselves to the club.

Journos like Michael Walker piss me off...I dred to think what he got paid for that shite.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
<strong> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

I like the Guardian but that has to be a contender for the biggest waste of space in the papers history.

Not one quote and a distinct lack of knowledge as to what is going on at the club.

Interesting choice of players to talk about...

It is no secret that Newcastle want a CB and every CB in the world seems to come under scrutiny...including Woody.

Both Smith and Robinson have recently committed themselves to the club.

Journos like Michael Walker piss me off...I dred to think what he got paid for that shite.</strong><hr></blockquote>

At it again are we marching. It appears that the only one with any "knowledge" of Leeds is you!
The article is interesting, and highlights the mess Leeds is in, with some of the options they have. Are you seriously telling me that if a good offer came in for either Smith, or Robinson, Leeds would not seriously consider it.
So far, 3 big names have left Leeds, and probably two more will have to go before Leeds are anything like viable again.I'm amazed that as the worlds only "expert" on Leeds United, you seem to be the only one who cannot see the dire financial straits that Mr. Grimsdale has allowed the club to get into. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by andy27457:
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At it again are we marching. It appears that the only one with any "knowledge" of Leeds is you!
The article is interesting, and highlights the mess Leeds is in, with some of the options they have. Are you seriously telling me that if a good offer came in for either Smith, or Robinson, Leeds would not seriously consider it.
So far, 3 big names have left Leeds, and probably two more will have to go before Leeds are anything like viable again.I'm amazed that as the worlds only "expert" on Leeds United, you seem to be the only one who cannot see the dire financial straits that Mr. Grimsdale has allowed the club to get into. :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

:rolleyes:

The wanker returns.....The article is probably the laziest bit of journalism I have seen for a long time - not one quote and just a re-hash of already printed material sprinkled with shite.

It is time journos got off their arses and did some work.

I seem to remember Barca coming in for Robbo...they big enough for you? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

As PR is your specialised subject I would have thought you would have known that it was him that helped get us to the CL semis.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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:rolleyes:

The wanker returns.....The article is probably the laziest bit of journalism I have seen for a long time - not one quote and just a re-hash of already printed material sprinkled with shite.

It is time journos got off their arses and did some work.

I seem to remember Barca coming in for Robbo...they big enough for you? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

As PR is your specialised subject I would have thought you would have known that it was him that helped get us to the CL semis.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You really are a blind , abusive little get!
The only reason the article is lazy, is because it asks some questions you do not like. How someone who blindly follows the man who has led the club you support to the edge of bankrupcy can call anyone else a wanker is a bit beyond me!
I would be interested to know which team Risdale picked in Europe, I seem to remember a man called David O'Leary was the manager.
It's time you woke up marching. Risdale couldn't manage a piggy bank. It's interesting to read in the same scandal sheet that Risdale is to stand downas CEO, as I predicted some weeks ago :D
 
Originally posted by andy27457:
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You really are a blind , abusive little get!
The only reason the article is lazy, is because it asks some questions you do not like. How someone who blindly follows the man who has led the club you support to the edge of bankrupcy can call anyone else a wanker is a bit beyond me!
I would be interested to know which team Risdale picked in Europe, I seem to remember a man called David O'Leary was the manager.
It's time you woke up marching. Risdale couldn't manage a piggy bank. It's interesting to read in the same scandal sheet that Risdale is to stand downas CEO, as I predicted some weeks ago :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

The journo is lazy because he has done nothing but re-hash old news....same old tired story.

So you think it is nothing to do with the Chairman when Leeds did well but everything to do with him when the team do badly?

Get real you twit...PR has been chairman for many years now and as such has provided the backing for every manager at Leeds....to give you a chance to prove your ridiculous claim that Leeds are on the edge of bankruptcy give me a link to the financial backers of the club saying they were even considering bringing in the receivers.

If you knew anything about the club you would know that PR has in fact stepped down from other directorships he holds to spend MORE time on LUFC not less.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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The journo is lazy because he has done nothing but re-hash old news....same old tired story.

So you think it is nothing to do with the Chairman when Leeds did well but everything to do with him when the team do badly?

Get real you twit...PR has been chairman for many years now and as such has provided the backing for every manager at Leeds....to give you a chance to prove your ridiculous claim that Leeds are on the edge of bankruptcy give me a link to the financial backers of the club saying they were even considering bringing in the receivers.

If you knew anything about the club you would know that PR has in fact stepped down from other directorships he holds to spend MORE time on LUFC not less.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You repeat the same rubbish, but fail to grasp the reality of the situation. I assume Leeds are selling players because they are so financially stable.
Risdale is apparently planning to stand down from the day to day running of the club ( today's Guardian). I suggest you check your facts before making a bigger fool of yourself.
The story is merely a comment on Leeds plight. The fact that you don't like it says more about you, who must be feeling increasingly lonely on planet Risdale, than it does about the quality of the journalism.
Grow Up <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by andy27457:
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You repeat the same rubbish, but fail to grasp the reality of the situation. I assume Leeds are selling players because they are so financially stable.
Risdale is apparently planning to stand down from the day to day running of the club ( today's Guardian). I suggest you check your facts before making a bigger fool of yourself.
The story is merely a comment on Leeds plight. The fact that you don't like it says more about you, who must be feeling increasingly lonely on planet Risdale, than it does about the quality of the journalism.
Grow Up <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I take the fact that their is no link to anybody agreeing with your stupid idea that the club us going bankrupt as you finally seeing sense.

I have never denied the fact that the lack of CL football seriously fecked up Leeds....but your constant garbage about how it is all PR's fault is showing you up as having a serious problem .

Do you really think he would have been re-elected as Chairman if the financial backers of the club thought he was not the man for the job?

And if you checked your facts you would have seen the decision to bring in a CEO was made months ago - I wonder who he answers to...hmmmm....got any ideas you tosser?
 
Marching, keep your hair on. There's nothing controversial about noting how financially fecked up Leeds are, you just have to listen to El Tel to know that and look at the flogging of players left right and centre. You put the blame on O'Leary, we put the blame on Ridsdale for not being cautious enough.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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I take the fact that their is no link to anybody agreeing with your stupid idea that the club us going bankrupt as you finally seeing sense.

I have never denied the fact that the lack of CL football seriously fecked up Leeds....but your constant garbage about how it is all PR's fault is showing you up as having a serious problem .

Do you really think he would have been re-elected as Chairman if the financial backers of the club thought he was not the man for the job?

And if you checked your facts you would have seen the decision to bring in a CEO was made months ago - I wonder who he answers to...hmmmm....got any ideas you tosser?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nah! Sorry marching, I've tried to be understanding all these months, and to treat you as a fan, but you are just a moron!
What do you suppose the banks would do if Leeds weren't selling off players at every car boot sale in Yorkshire. Think about that before you answer, plank!
To everyone but you, PR (what apt initials) is being moved to a place where he can do no more damage, because the board are too embarrassed to put him out of his misery.And in reality, the club cat won't be answerable to him.
The man is an embarrassment to the club, and the fans, whom he has assumed are all as stupid as you.
But then, if you are a typical Leeds shareholder, he might have been right after all.
Right, I'm off now to have a conversation with the cat, who talks far more sense than you've managed in 6 months. :D
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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....but your constant garbage about how it is all PR's fault is showing you up as having a serious problem .

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Its clearly Publicity Pete's fault that you're in this financial mess...

Who do you blame?
 
Originally posted by andy27457:
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Nah! Sorry marching, I've tried to be understanding all these months, and to treat you as a fan, but you are just a moron!
What do you suppose the banks would do if Leeds weren't selling off players at every car boot sale in Yorkshire. Think about that before you answer, plank!
To everyone but you, PR (what apt initials) is being moved to a place where he can do no more damage, because the board are too embarrassed to put him out of his misery.And in reality, the club cat won't be answerable to him.
The man is an embarrassment to the club, and the fans, whom he has assumed are all as stupid as you.
But then, if you are a typical Leeds shareholder, he might have been right after all.
Right, I'm off now to have a conversation with the cat, who talks far more sense than you've managed in 6 months. :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

I see where your problems stem from...the cat must be pissed off with you too by now.

You had PR being booted out and yet he is STILL the Chairman....does that tell you anything as to who knows more about the situation?

Strange that you think being Chairman is a position that counts for nothing....but then again having read your posts it maybe is not strange at all.

Neil.....you say I blame DOL and you are partly right - I think there are a number of people and also reasons beyond managements control to blame for the situation Leeds face. DOL is one....PR has to shoulder SOME blame....the off the field troubles caused by Bow and Woody....massive injury list...and top of my list are the players - some that have let themselves and the club down with some appalling performances.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>But in terms of your financial plight, the blame lies solely on the chubby shoulders of your chairman..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Absolute bollox
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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Absolute bollox</strong><hr></blockquote>

On the contrary. Its absolute bollocks to suggest anything but.

As chairman the responsibilty for safe guarding the clubs future starts and ends with him...
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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On the contrary. Its absolute bollocks to suggest anything but.

As chairman the responsibilty for safe guarding the clubs future starts and ends with him...</strong><hr></blockquote>

The chairman is but one man of a board of directors - a board that considers requests from the manager for new players...the board then arranges for the money to be made available to buy the players the manager has selected.

If those players fail to perform it is hardly the boards fault, let alone the chairmans, is it?

Is it Moores fault that LFC are now over £20m in debt and face a summer clearout?
 
Woodgate to Newcastle for £8 million this week.

According to my sources.

<img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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The chairman is but one man of a board of directors - a board that considers requests from the manager for new players...the board then arranges for the money to be made available to buy the players the manager has selected.

If those players fail to perform it is hardly the boards fault, let alone the chairmans, is it?

Is it Moores fault that LFC are now over £20m in debt and face a summer clearout?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Marching.

I think what they are all saying is...

PR is the daddy of LUFC. He is the Boss so the buck must stop with him.
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
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Marching.

I think what they are all saying is...

PR is the daddy of LUFC. He is the Boss so the buck must stop with him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I understand that Paul but....the reality is that he is only one man, the one mad daft enough to put his face in front of the cameras, but it is a collective decision to spend the money at Leeds.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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I understand that Paul but....the reality is that he is only one man, the one mad daft enough to put his face in front of the cameras, but it is a collective decision to spend the money at Leeds.</strong><hr></blockquote>


If he says NO - them its NO....

Its just the same at all clubs.

Yes, 10 people might sit round a table and say shall we/ shan't we, but if he says yes - so will they.

He has the final say.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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The chairman is but one man of a board of directors - a board that considers requests from the manager for new players...the board then arranges for the money to be made available to buy the players the manager has selected.

If those players fail to perform it is hardly the boards fault, let alone the chairmans, is it?

Is it Moores fault that LFC are now over £20m in debt and face a summer clearout?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not talking about the performance of the team, thats the managers responsibility. Yes Risdale is just one member of the board, but he is the most important member...therefore named the chairman.

His budgeting has been nothing short of embarrassing, your failure to make the CL has fecked you good and proper...its a chairmans responsibility to take the "worst case scenario" into account when spending cash that his club don't have.

Its no good trying to turn this round onto Liverpool. Our debt is nothing compared to yours and is managable. GH has suggested players will leave in the summer, as happens every year. Its not a clear out in the sense that you're hoping, or the one that your teams currently facing. But yes, Moores is responsible for our finances, and if our problems escalated to anything near to your plight then I would hold him responsible.

Because he would be, like Risdale is with yourselves..
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
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If he says NO - them its NO....

Its just the same at all clubs.

Yes, 10 people might sit round a table and say shall we/ shan't we, but if he says yes - so will they.

He has the final say.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The Chairman carries one vote like every other board member - have you never heard of the board of Directors voting out a chairman? - if you haven't you must have been going around with your eyes closed.

At the end of the day no companys financers would back anybody if the board was not united (no pun intended).


Davo - you are not worth bothering with <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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The Chairman carries one vote like every other board member - have you never heard of the board of Directors voting out a chairman? - if you haven't you must have been going around with your eyes closed.

At the end of the day no companys financers would back anybody if the board was not united (no pun intended).


Davo - you are not worth bothering with <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Problem is, the financiers are not backing them, hence the sale of players.
Marching, you are not just a moron, you are a stupid one at that <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>How much of PR's own money has he put in and lost?</strong><hr></blockquote>

He owns a large number of shares - and as far as I know he has not lost anything?

Why?

Originally posted by andy27457:
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Problem is, the financiers are not backing them, hence the sale of players.
Marching, you are not just a moron, you are a stupid one at that <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


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Even more garbage from andy the know-all....all clubs have been tightening their belts and Leeds have to pay the price for DOL and the players not getting into the CL....got it so far?

It has never been a secret that as a consequence players would go and wages cut....it seems the financial backers of Leeds have faith in the board and I tend to believe them rather than an arse like you.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Even more garbage from andy the know-all....all clubs have been tightening their belts and Leeds have to pay the price for DOL and the players not getting into the CL....got it so far?

It has never been a secret that as a consequence players would go and wages cut....it seems the financial backers of Leeds have faith in the board and I tend to believe them rather than an arse like you.</strong><hr></blockquote>
From Vegetables' repeated comments it was a secret to him, he acts like he's been conned - which is ironic. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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From Vegetables' repeated comments it was a secret to him, he acts like he's been conned - which is ironic. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

You were right with one thing there Neil.....he acts.

;)
 
Wasnt the hoohah during DOL's last days down to the fact PR had pumped so much of his own money into the club? (ala Gibson and Fayed)...

I know what you are saying regarding having a board etc. But the top man is ultimately responsable for the demise of a company.
PR is the top man and must take the blame. It is his job to make sure the clubs finances are in order and to make sure financial plans are afoot should Leeds fail to qualify for Europe. His inadequacy to do this along with the demise in 'football Money' has put LUFC in the state that its in now. DOL didnt demand money at Gunpoint, he was given it because PR thought it was a good investment at the time. And its backfired.

You could have sold Viduka last summer for 20m +, and to be honest - you should have, cos he is pants now and not worth 5m. That would have paid for the next years installments on the debt., that along with the Rio money and money you should have got for Bowyer, Decourt would have practically wiped out your debt.
 
Funny thing is that PR kept going on about how much the squad is worth as an asset, only to discover that its value has completely depreciated and he's now trying to get rid of players like Seth at a cut-down price.
 
You all seem wise after the event - isn't hindsight a wonderful thing :rolleyes:

I have never excused PR from all blame and I have made my feelings known to him personally on a couple of occassions but the thought that ALL the blame lies at one mans door is ridiculous.

Yes, the Chairman is to top man but he, as one man, can do sod all on his own - LUFC PLC has 4 main financial backers and they demand that every proposed deal goes through them...a process totally out of PR's hands.

The last couple of months have been some of PR's best - I like a Chairman who works behind the scenes and not on TV at every opportunity or on the front pages of newspapers as a sordid peeping Tom. PR is Leeds United through and through (as is Allan Leighton and the rest of the board) and maybe that has been where PR got it wrong.

The deals he and the board made happen for DOL had the backing of the financiers so it would be wrong now to bklame the board and even worse to blame PR alone.

With CL football in place the club was fine...the problems stem from the club losing the income from it for 2 seasons - this is totally out of PR and the boards control.

It is like any other business if income drops then expenditure has to too - players have to go and wages trimmed.

Watch out for Liverpool to suffer the same problems if they fail to qualify - one season is OK but not two. When their wages ratio climbed alarmingly Prick Parry said the squad is too big and Houllier is now planning a summer clearout.

Not all clubs are as fortunate as Manchester United - but the same applies there too. The value of players will have dropped and wages continue to soar. Not that it is likely to happen but, if CL football was missed from OT the consequences would be dire.
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>Wasnt the hoohah during DOL's last days down to the fact PR had pumped so much of his own money into the club? (ala Gibson and Fayed)...
</strong><hr></blockquote>

PR has bought a lot of shares but has not put a large chunk of cash in....not as far as I know anyway.
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Even more garbage from andy the know-all....all clubs have been tightening their belts and Leeds have to pay the price for DOL and the players not getting into the CL....got it so far?

It has never been a secret that as a consequence players would go and wages cut....it seems the financial backers of Leeds have faith in the board and I tend to believe them rather than an arse like you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So moron.To sum up. Risdale got them to the CL semis, bit DOL and the players failed to get them into the CL forvthe last two years.
All premier league clubs are selling at least 4 their star players, because they've all had to tighten their belts.
Leeds financial backers have so much faith in them, they are not forcing these sales to meet debt repayments.
Because PR is so successful, and is so fully backed by the board, he is giving up the day to day runing of the club.
PR has run the public relations side of his job so successfully that he hasn't been heard of for months.
Yes, players, former managers, and injuries have played their part, but you don't appear to accept that the financial side is down to Risdale, who as you say, has been backed by the board.
The less attatched to reality your postings become, the more I'm sure you are the man himself.
Only someone that incompetent could try to justify himself with so little supporting fact.
 
Originally posted by andy27457:
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So moron.To sum up. Risdale got them to the CL semis, bit DOL and the players failed to get them into the CL forvthe last two years.
All premier league clubs are selling at least 4 their star players, because they've all had to tighten their belts.
Leeds financial backers have so much faith in them, they are not forcing these sales to meet debt repayments.
Because PR is so successful, and is so fully backed by the board, he is giving up the day to day runing of the club.
PR has run the public relations side of his job so successfully that he hasn't been heard of for months.
Yes, players, former managers, and injuries have played their part, but you don't appear to accept that the financial side is down to Risdale, who as you say, has been backed by the board.
The less attatched to reality your postings become, the more I'm sure you are the man himself.
Only someone that incompetent could try to justify himself with so little supporting fact.</strong><hr></blockquote>


<img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />

What your feeble under achieving brain fails to take in is that whilst Peter Ridsdale, that's Ridsdale, is indeed the Chairman he is not the one to make decisions....that is why companies have boards of directors.

I have never denied PR has made mistakes but the position the club is in at the moment is a lot of peoples fault - a fact you now seem to agree with.

Let me try and help you underrstand the process...

The requests for money from the manager go before a board of directors...PR is one man and one vote on that board. There has to be a majority decision for funds to even be asked for....it then goes to the financial backers of the club who also have to OK any deal.

You getting the picture yet?....it does not ALL rest on PR.

It really is simple andy....just like you.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Better than he manages too. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Better than he sings too! Here's a song for him:

Marching out together,
It's not what El Tel needs,
We've had enough,
We're all f*cking off,
From Leeds, Leeds, Leeds


:D
 
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Who have leeds got left? Smith, , Kewell, woodgate and Robinson. after that? Viduka not worth anything, BRidges, nominal fee now because of injuries, Wilcox and Radebe, Martyn, frees. Barmby and Okon? 1mil maybe. Ian Harte and g.kelly? not a great deal anymore. D Mills? maybe 4-5 mil. Who else is there?

Also, with a 77mil debt, Rio nearly halves that, so that can't be it. There must be something else there. any creative accounting maybe?

What I don't understand about leeds, is that Bowyer is roundly hated and abused, but Woody is treated fine, even though he was found guilty.
 
Originally posted by kf:
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Better than he sings too! Here's a song for him:

Marching out together,
It's not what El Tel needs,
We've had enough,
We're all f*cking off,
From Leeds, Leeds, Leeds


:D </strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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<img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />

What your feeble under achieving brain fails to take in is that whilst Peter Ridsdale, that's Ridsdale, is indeed the Chairman he is not the one to make decisions....that is why companies have boards of directors.

I have never denied PR has made mistakes but the position the club is in at the moment is a lot of peoples fault - a fact you now seem to agree with.

Let me try and help you underrstand the process...

The requests for money from the manager go before a board of directors...PR is one man and one vote on that board. There has to be a majority decision for funds to even be asked for....it then goes to the financial backers of the club who also have to OK any deal.

You getting the picture yet?....it does not ALL rest on PR.

It really is simple andy....just like you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I notice that as per usual, Mr Grimsdale you completely ignore the post, which merely repeats claims made by yourself.
So the claim now is that the board got Leeds to the CL semis.
The board spoke to the press about Bowyer.

As even you must be aware, most of any board are non-executive, and rely on the expertise of the professionals employed to run the club, the chief of which is.... guess who!
I've never claimed that PR has sole responsibility, but I've not made an arse of myself by claiming all the good stuff for him, and blaming all the negatives on others.
But DOL has gone, several of the players have gone, but Grimsdale clings on.
My only argument has been that as the person at the head of the company as it buried itself in debt, based on a gamble, he should be honest with the fans, and his board, and take the rap he so richly deserves.