Didn't he say he doesn't want a pressure job?
Think he said that he doesn't see Management as a long term thing and that eventually, he will move onto something else.
Giggs above the likes of Simeone, Conte and Jose?
I also remember him saying he only wants to manage clubs where everything is set for him to win and doesn't want much pressure. Very vague memory though so could be wrong.
Was just going to quote that. What a deranged list.
Yeah, I know that looks very silly on paper. It's really hard to come up these sort of lists without being a little biased. But rather than solely put my own spin on it, I also tried to guess how the board would perceive the candidates and made the list accordingly. So it's a bit of both really. My reasoning is as follows
1) Simeone has done tremendous work with Athletico. The La Liga title, almost winning the UCL and turning a mid table team into an absolute dominant force are fantastic achievements. He has even bought tremendously well on a relatively small budget. But he looks like Mournho Lite to be honest, and could go off the boil anytime. He also sets his team up rather defensively, with a lot of emphasis on Physicality and Aggression, which as ironic as it sounds will suit the PL culture, just not the board's.
2) Conte has done brilliantly to bring Juve back into the fold, winning them the Serie A titles. But then, so did Allegri do the same and Allegri did one better by reaching the UCL final. And Allegri wasn't exactly setting the world alight at Milan before that. Conte hasn't done all that well with the Italian national team either. So that makes me think that Conte is probably not all that.
3) The Board hate the idea of Jose at the helm. I think when Sir Bobby Charlton came out and openly criticized him, it was plain to see what exactly the board were thinking. Truth be told, if they wanted him badly, he would already be here by now. I have no problem with him personally and he would be much higher up my list (Probably before Poch) had it not been well documented that the United Board are not keen on him.
4) This one is the easy one. United want another SAF in the making. Someone who will stay at the club for 15-20 years and regularly win them titles. They are the pinning those hopes on one Mr Ryan *Insert Middle Name here* Giggs. The way they have handled him, giving him the assistants job for DM's tenure, the interim managerial role, becoming Assistant to van Gaal, LvG himself saying that Ryan will be the next manager (this seemed like a PR stunt to me), even Alex Ferguson claiming his future was in management, makes me think, that the board have this love-in for Giggs, purely because of the Romantics of it all. I don't know what kind of manager Giggs will be truth be told. I know people here have told that he's not very bright and bla bla..but I wouldn't mind giving him a chance if
a) There's no one better at the moment and
b) He has a really strong staff supporting him
Tbh, the list makes little sense since half of it seems to be your preferred choice and then it seems suddenly midway through the list you realized that you also need to incorporate your assumptions on what the Board might be thinking and planning.
1) You wouldn't be saying that about Simeone if you had actually seen Atletico play. Sure they shore up defensively against the big boys but they play aesthetically pleasing football against all other opposition, the same can't be said for us.
2) Allegri's time at Milan was marred by several issues and I don't want to go into too much detail about those but he's made this Juve team his own since the departure of Conte and done well since he took over. Conte himself did a stellar job and he's probably the most promising young manager we have in Italy. He's actually a very progressive thinking coach and his teams like to play attacking football.
3) Mourinho was maybe not given the position last time around due to Sir Bobby's refusal to give him his blessing but I'm sure the board has moved past the sentimentality of it all and they will be considering the best way to move forward quickly, even if it means hiring Mourinho and his 3 year formula.
4) United wanted another SAF in the making. Don't be so sure now. We've had one failed experiment with Moyes and we're still paying for it heavily. I really doubt the board will want to repeat a mistake of similar magnitudes and set the club back by half a decade or so. There's no place left for romanticism now and there are most certainly better options available that Ryan bloody Giggs. As much as I love the player, I really doubt his coaching credentials.
I love how United fans often scoff at the idea of managers not named Guardiola, Mourinho or Ancelotti, when :
- post-SAF, we've been managed by David Moyes and Van Gaal, who everyone seems to hate and is tired of.
- have finished 7th and 4th last two seasons with 4th seemingly being the best possibility this season.
- Giggs appears to be in line to be our next manager.
Managers like Blanc and Conte who have won titles before and impressed many, are deemed beneath wandering-around-4th Manchester United. It's actually a bit weird.
- post-SAF, we've been managed by David Moyes and Van Gaal, who everyone seems to hate and is tired of.
- have finished 7th and 4th last two seasons with 4th seemingly being the best possibility this season.
- Giggs appears to be in line to be our next manager.
Managers like Blanc and Conte who have won titles before and impressed many, are deemed beneath wandering-around-4th Manchester United. It's actually a bit weird.
Not really
1) Pep - I'd love him here and we all know SAF does too
2) Klopp - same as above
3) Ancelloti - I only know that he is an excellent Man Manager, I'm unsure of his tactical nous tbh and he is a very successful manager wherever he goes (although he does seem to have more continental success than domestic). His work at Milan cannot be understated at all. And again SAF has said the same about him in his book.
4) Blanc - Former United man (I know just 2 seasons), done very well with Bordeux, reasonably well with the French national team, and now easily dominating with PSG. He doesn't have the UCL success yet, but that's always going to be hard going head to head with RM, Barca and Bayern. His teams play good football. He has good relations with SAF and is usually well regarded among the management.
5) Poch - yep, this is biased totally. So you got this one right. I have no clue of what the board thinks about him. I like his style, did well with Southampton and is doing fine with Tottenham. I like his style of play, love how well he integrates the youth players and can handle big ego's. Can't ask for more really.
I've already explained my reasoning for 6,7,8 and 9.
You should probably stop assuming that we are all full of bollocks and just say what we like. Some people do actually put some thought into what we say/type. It's clearly obvious you have a completely different list too and I might not agree with some of them. Would be a pretty useless world if all thought the same way.
What is this based on, exactly? Why has everyone randomly made up their minds that Simeone is some sort of Mourinho clone and will hence pick fights with everyone just like Jose did at Chelsea? You do realize he's been at Atletico for awhile? I don't hear this stuff being said about Pep despite him never having managed a club beyond 3 years.
Just more nonsense paper talk - "who's not been linked with the Man Utd manager's job? Oh, yes - Blanc. Let's get the headline written....."
Tad stupid and ill considered opinion in the OP quite frankly. Seems to be dismissive based on nothing.
Blanc is definitely a good manager, has won things and has always been known for his great leadership even from a young age as a player.
Would he be my first choice? No. We're not going to get the first choice though (Pep) so the likes of Mourinho, Poch, Blanc etc come into the equation.
Jesus, anyone but Ryan Feckin Giggs.
Blanc is definitely a good manager, has won things and has always been known for his great leadership even from a young age as a player.
Would he be my first choice? No. We're not going to get the first choice though (Pep) so the likes of Mourinho, Poch, Blanc etc come into the equation.
Jesus, anyone but Ryan Feckin Giggs.
1) You are right. They do play well against weaker opposition, just like Mourinho. They play defensively against equals just like mourinho. Can get a little out of control just like Mourinho. Where I rate Simeone higher is that he buys fantastically in the transfer market, whereas Mourinho goes for established safe choices for first team players. There are enough similarities there to make the board think, "Oh Oh, will this guy be a problem in the future"
2) Yeah, even initially, I had the same opinion as you. I thought here is a guy who could go places, someone who restored some pride to the Juventus club. But he's sort of struggled hasn't he with the national team (could be wrong here) and I never rated Allegri all that highly, although I don't follow the Italian league all that much. It also didn't help that there aren't that many soundbites linking us with him.
3) I don't think the situation has changed all that much. In December, when 90% of the fans were certain van Gaal would lose his job, he didn't, even though Mourniho publicly said he wanted to get back into management asap. This could be one of two reasons
i) The club didn't have a better option (If United approaching Ancelloti and being rejected are true) and wanted Mourinho only as a last resort.
ii) They genuinely believed van Gaal could turn this around.
Now none of us actually know for sure what the nature of those discussions were, but my instincts still tell me that United felt it was better they rather stuck with van Gaal than hand over the reigns to someone as divisive as Mourinho.
4) If they weren't so sure about it now, why would Giggs still be Assistant Manger ? If those Swansea reports were true, he would have joined them if he knew he wasn't next in line to manage United. Anyone would have jumped at that opportunity. Even the likes of Mike Phelan, Rene Meulensteen, Steve McClaren, Carloz Queiroz all did the same. That is the ultimate test for an Assistant Manager isn't it ? In his head, he is positively sure that he will be the next manager. Whether that is his own egotistic take on it or whether there have been people from above pitching that idea to him, I don't know.
Even I heavily doubt his coaching credentials. My perception of him from a managerial front is that he comes across as a man who is not very imaginative and who firmly believes in the mantra that "Every game you play, play it as if it is your last", but is not sure how to translate that on the pitch or in training. But I did read reports that even though, he didn't talk much, when he did, people took notice. He was credited with the Team talks in the meetings prior to the Liverpool win last season. He's being credited with trying to mould Memphis this season. It was also apparently him that convinced van Gaal to buy Martial as well, when no one except those that play FIFA and FM knew who he was. So I think somewhere in that Blank Redundant face of his, he has picked up a few things. But his tactical acumen is definitely lacking though, which is why I thought he would do well if he had the right staff around him.
Another Blanc? Don't we get enough of those on our scoresheet?
He's a very passionate manager, wears his heart on his sleeve. Actually most of the good to great managers are. But he does lose his temper every now and then.
http://www.insidespanishfootball.co...-lack-of-effort-in-atleticos-morning-workout/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-to-curb-touchline-temper-at-atletico-madrid
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ane-Atletico-lose-Champions-League-final.html
http://www.ibnlive.com/footballnext...tletico-madrids-rebellious-streak-964542.html
He's no Jose Mourinho by any means, but there are some overlapping similarities in their personalities. Whilst, I concede there are remarkable differences as well.
What a poor argument. You're worried he could "go off the boil anytime" because he's passionate. That Mourinho chap is totally the way to look at all expressive managers. That chap called Alex we sort of know can be ignored.
So how has Pep been doing in the EPL?
Blanc for sure is better than Giggs or LvG. If your board don't want José, Blanc sounds worth a shot.
Pep managed in Spain, which is at least a 2-3 horse race. Also hugely impressive in Europe. Blanc has a way to go to be on that level.So how has Pep been doing in the EPL?
Blanc for sure is better than Giggs or LvG. If your board don't want José, Blanc sounds worth a shot.
I've already explained that that's not the only reason. That aggression he has transcends into his players. His teams are very aggressive and physical and whilst that can work in the PL, I don't know if that would be the direction the club would want to go in.
It was obviously a tongue in cheek comment. I really don't understand the reasoning behind the argument 'not EPL proven' if someone comes from one of the top European leagues and managed a big club.
That's a different matter. You have a preference for calmer managers, and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own. But there's no suggestion that his being a expressive and fiery man would lead to a shorter and self-combustible managerial stint, like we've seen with Mourinho at Chelsea recently. You've got plenty of seemingly quieter chaps like Pep (who is very eccentric himself) not able to complete 5 years anywhere.
Better than Giggs
Pep > Simeone > Blanc > LVG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jose > Anyone Else > Giggs
Yeah, anybody else is better than Giggs.
What a forum.
What a forum.
(The bolding is mine)
You think so? I haven't found that when I watch Atletico, which is mostly against the EL sort of teams like Valencia, Sevilla and Bilbao. They've only scored 25 goals (tied for 6th in the league) and are top because of their incredible defensive record. Simeone doesn't move Koke inside and try to beat lower teams with skill, from what I've seen. Just tries to beat teams with a set piece or counter attack like normal, but with more crosses and maybe the fullbacks a bit higher up.
I don't watch them every week. I know this isn't the thread for it, but any Atletico fans around?
I have no such preference to be honest. That list I made was kept in mind my own perception of how the Board viewed these candidates. If I didn't factor that part in, Mourinho would be much higher up the list (probably 3rd or 4th). I know Pep is eccentric and Klopp has already rubbed many managers the wrong way in such a short time at Liverpool. So your assumption that I prefer calmer managers is very much wrong. And yeah I agree, Simeone is I think the current longest serving manager at one club (4 years or so) on that list, which speaks volumes. But like I say repeatedly, the Board don't seem all too keen on him.
Blanc isn't anyone. He's a manager who has achieved things.
Was referencing the post above mine.
He revived Bordeaux then replicated success with PSG and did a good job with France. I see little wrong with him
Giggs would be a far better choice than Blanc.
Suggested blanc weeks ago and was laughed at. It's obvious he's a good coach
I've been keeping an eye on the too and i believe you're right. They do rely heavily on their defense to win matches. Their primary goal, in any game and no matter the opponent, is to keep a low scoreline. And if they have the game where they want it, at the point when one goal will decide the outcome, they make a battle out of it. They are very aggressive with tackles flying around when they want to regain possession and they are very direct and the two men upfront work their socks off to chase the early balls into space in the final third. They don't over commit players forward and they use the counter a lot.
When they're not in form (or whenever they have a really bad game) they're just as frustrating to watch as we are in terms of chances created etc. But the main difference is their attitude on the pitch. They always wear their heart on their sleeve and i believe that's what most people here like about them and Simeone.
That being said, it could have been better for them if they had someone to partner Criezmann in their attack because Jackson and Torres have contributed two goals each in La Liga this season.
Pathetic, isn't it?
Giggs certainly wouldn't be among my preferred options for the job, but the lack of respect (from a footballing point of view) for one of our truly great players, is bewildering. This forum incessantly ridicules RAWK, but you'd never see posters over there treating one of their former greats in such a manner.
He'd be a better choice for United than Giggs.
The chief drawback is the number of feckwits who think it's clever, funny or original to call him Larry White. Another will be along in a minute.
Giggs is just a risk that's not worth taking unless the club really has a lot of patience to see how it turns out over the next few years. It's an unknown hence the apprehension which has now led to giggs being ridiculed. Blanc is obviously a better choice than Giggs as he is much more proven.
Your opinion is based on which skills that are relevant for a successful manager?
I watched them beat a team 7-0 back when they had David Villa. It was one of the most boring high score games I've ever seen. He is a boring manager and his team has no flair.. That goes from when he took over tell now. So don't act like he plays good attacking football. Athletico plays with aggression and grit. He is just mini Mourinho.
It's not based on that, it's based on my opinion in the same way that those who oppose Giggs base their opinion.