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Planetfootball are running a story stating that the Italian press are reporting that we are in pole position to sign Alessandro Nesta from Lazio for £25.5m (apparently this being a firm bid that we have made). Are position as the fore-runner to sign Nesta is due to the fact that Juventus & Internationazale are capping their bids @ £17m, which is frustating Cragnotti.

This is basically the summary of the story, they also state that we have switched are attentions back to Nesta as nothing could be done on any possible Rio deal until their new manager is appointed. And that furthermore Thuram could still be brought in to partner Nesta in a "dream" centre back pairing. With talks with Juventus being @ an advanced stage. (That is taken from a combination of a this article and one from yesterday.)

I could believe this Nesta situation - he is the only player whom SAF has gone on record and stated that he wants! And although I personally would prefer Rio, Nesta would be equally as a great a signing.

Opinions?
 
25.5m for Nesta? Too good to be true...

Why not Nesta and R Ferdinand? or am I being too greedy? :D
 
nesta wans to stay in italy ... so i think he wun be coming ... as much as i wan him to, i think it wun be a reality
 
Our old 'friends' at tribalfootball.com are running a story saying Nesta turned down a move to United. Surely he must be coming then! ;)
 
I dont think Nesta will leave Italy. We're more likely to get Ronaldo - and thats a bit far fetched dont u think?

Nesta will not be happy to come, if he does it will be a case of him having no choice.

I think this is all just a ruse by Lazio to scare the Italian clubs into bidding more money.
 
I would have to agree with you, thats what a new article on planet football is now saying. Juventus and Inter have made a pact to only bid £17m for Nesta, so this coulod obviously be a ploy, by the sneaky Cragnotti to drive the price up.

The only credibility, this story has is the fact, and I reiterate, that SAF has gone on record and talked of trying to bring Nesta to OT.

Nesta though, apparently wants to stay in Italy, preferably, wanting a more to Inter, he would get to much stick from his fellow Romans if he moved to Juventus (there is some really bitter rivallry bet. Romans, specifically Lazio fans and their ultras a.k.a. the "Irriducibli" and the Juventus supporters).

To be honest, I'm really confused as to who we are going to sign in defence, I mean just look @ the current situation,

Rio Ferdinand - Leeds obviously don't want to sell and even if they do they will want to appoint their new manager first.

Nesta - Wants to move to Inter rather than us, due to a desire to stay in Italy.

Thuram - A 30yr old, Juventus want £20m for him, I dont think he is the right man for the job although a world class defender. Would go aganist our buying policy.

Ayala - Looked a dead certainty in late May, but has gone very quiet and stagnant, with talk of him joining leeds rather than us, Probably the best in terms of fee, approx. £12-£13m due to contractual reasons.

Roberto Carlos - Personally I think this is more paper talk, have heard it all before on this front. Real want £40m, we apparently will only spend £20m, but is a left back really our priority (I don't believe so!)

Gareth Southgate - Mentioned recently rather fleetingly, perhaps coming in as a second centre back to partner the main purchase, was linked with Rio in an all english partnership, but is most likely just paper talk.

The fact of the matter is that out of all these, there are faults, problems, positives and negetives, whatever. What unlike last week is now very unclear, is who we are primed to sign in the centre back position. The Rio transfer was seemingly an inevitability but now there is a state of confusion surrounding it?

Whats going on people? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
The next two weeks should provide you a clearer answer

Right now, everyone's just as foggy as you
 
Nesta is valued at £35 million but they owe us money too so we can get him for £25 million.
 
Originally posted by Richter:
<strong>Nesta is valued at £35 million but they owe us money too so we can get him for £25 million.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Unfortunately ( and very disappointing ) it looks as if the following is what will happen this summer:

In: Thuram
Out: Irwin, Der Gouw, Johnsen, Wallwork, Yorke
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Originally posted by David Brennan:
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Unfortunately ( and very disappointing ) it looks as if the following is what will happen this summer:

In: Thuram
Out: Irwin, Der Gouw, Johnsen, Wallwork, Yorke</strong><hr></blockquote>

This happens every season. Last season the doom mongers were predicting no-one was coming and we broke the world transfer record and also signed one of the world's best strikers! Be patient, UTD never conduct their transfers in the public gaze unless it is unavoidable. I genuinely expect some momentus arrivals - purely because it is an absolute necessity (defence)and because UTD are at the stage where they can afford the going rate for the world's best.

As for Thuram, it would clearly contradict the PLC's clearly stated policy of only spending big on players under the age of 28 years.

Feel with you the tension and frustration of not knowing and wanting more info though. :)
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Nesta and Ronaldinho in.
Thram only if Blanc retires. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Hear Hear! ;)
But Nesta is coming anyway :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Would you stop with that "hear hear" stuff... :)
And about Nesta, I don't think he will really choose Manchester over Inter or Milan or Madrid (although I didn't hear about offers from the last two).
Saying that, it would be nice having him :p
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Originally posted by David Brennan:
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Unfortunately ( and very disappointing ) it looks as if the following is what will happen this summer:

In: Thuram
Out: Irwin, Der Gouw, Johnsen, Wallwork, Yorke</strong><hr></blockquote>

I get frustrated about the on/off nature of the stories. You could be right. We might only sign one player (and not the fan's current first choice).

However, I think the board and manager are as disappointed as most of us and they are in a position to do something about it. The PLC might be careful with money compared to other clubs from a percentage of income point of view but they have still spent big more than any other English club. We are the only club capable of spending 30 million on a player (Ferdinand, Nesta, Ronaldo?). I just hope they get the cheque book out and buy whoever Fergie thinks necessary.
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Nesta is a much better player in terms of defensive ability than Rio. However, if we sign Rio, we'd have a greater likelihood of Wes becoming a better player beside him. So it would be like signing 2 players for the price of one.
:)
 
Crembo:

Juve don't want Nesta and can';t afford him same with Inter.
He won't choose any oher Italain club aagainst Lazio and Juve.
Juve can't afford LKazio have to sell.
If he can't go to Juve he would prefer abroad. Real don't want.

leaving MU. Where his beat freind Juan Seb Veron is .


what more could he want? :)


Nesta would make Wes a better defender any day. Not Rio :)
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Crembo:

Juve don't want Nesta and can';t afford him same with Inter.
He won't choose any oher Italain club aagainst Lazio and Juve.
Juve can't afford LKazio have to sell.
If he can't go to Juve he would prefer abroad. Real don't want.

leaving MU. Where his beat freind Juan Seb Veron is .


what more could he want? :)


Nesta would make Wes a better defender any day. Not Rio :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

At last - a piece of real info from OT
Press Release

Manchester United are delighted to announce that Laurent Blanc has signed a new one-year extension to his current deal, with immediate effect.

Sir Alex Ferguson said: "I am delighted. Laurent has been at the World Cup and so I have been awaiting his return. It was merely a matter of agreeing with agents."

Laurent Blanc said: "I am very happy. I can't wait for the new season to start."

Communications Department,
Old Trafford, 3 July 2002.
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Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Crembo:

Juve don't want Nesta and can';t afford him same with Inter.
He won't choose any oher Italain club aagainst Lazio and Juve.
Juve can't afford LKazio have to sell.
If he can't go to Juve he would prefer abroad. Real don't want.

leaving MU. Where his beat freind Juan Seb Veron is .


what more could he want? :)


Nesta would make Wes a better defender any day. Not Rio :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

That's all strange arguments, may be your personal dreaming?
Juve and Inter can't afford him? Prove it.
He won't choose other Italian club? Do you have any quote?
LKazio (what club is it?) have to sell, but not definitely need to be Nesta .
He can only choose Juve in Italy? Why?
Is there no football club aboard except Real?
And Veron is his "BEST" friend? Any quote?
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I don't have the links but there where definate quotes from Nesta about Veron. about the time when Ericksson left and all went awry. And he has said on ethe official Lazio sight he would prefer to moe abroad than to another Serie A side. Though its is known that Italian players can't resist Juve. However botth the official sight of Inter and Juventus have both shown that the clubs 1) Have not signed Nesta and 2) Think he is too expensive. They belive he will either stay at Lazio. Or as the official Laio sight claims, since Cragnotti has said a bid in excess of 28m pounds would leave him with no choice but to sell Nesta, he will go abroad.

Belive United and Real are bound to make that call. and since real look set to land Lucio expect us to win that Race. :)
 
Originally posted by kemo:
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Belive United and Real are bound to make that call. and since real look set to land Lucio expect us to win that Race. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Nesta doesn't want to go to England, and Real are not set to sign anyone yet...
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Juventus have payed 32m for a goalkeeper last year and around 25m for Thuram. What makes you think they won't spend 28m on Nesta?

Someone needs a reality check. If you think the world is going to stand back and let United have Nesta as we'd be his only options, you're in dreamland.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>Juventus have payed 32m for a goalkeeper last year and around 25m for Thuram. What makes you think they won't spend 28m on Nesta?</strong><hr></blockquote>

They're skint, like most big Italian clubs. Overspending in search of CL money, failing miserably, leading to financial problems.

For example, Lazio is knackered. They owe us something like 9m for Stam, Valencia 18m for Mendieta, etc. It's a card both clubs could use to get their targets. We need a World class CB, Valencia need a WC striker (Crespo). It makes sense (paying less for the signings and waving the owed money), and would get Lazio out of the financial shite and allow them to sign new players for more sensible levels of cash. They went mad last year, but that's typically Italian.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>It makes sense (paying less for the signings and waving the owed money)</strong><hr></blockquote>

If we want a Lazio player this may be an option. We shouldn't, however, take a Lazio player because it could be the easiest way of getting what's owing.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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If we want a Lazio player this may be an option. We shouldn't, however, take a Lazio player because it could be the easiest way of getting what's owing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But we do want him dont we?
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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But we do want him dont we?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Who's we exactly? You? A few other members of the forum? It doesn't really matter what we want. It matters what Ferguson wants and as none of actually know what he wants for sure then I don't see the point in proposing debt collection solutions.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>The daft boring German is being pedantic again! :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Pedantic? What are you on? So you know that Ferguson wants Nesta do you? Do me a favour, do you really think that Ferguson wants all of the following: Nesta, Ayala, Ferdinand, Thuram, Gallas etc et feckin c? You haven't got a clue and neither has anyone else. But carry on in Championship manager style and you arrange the financial niceties of the deal that will never happen.
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Championship manager.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Never played it!

SAF has said before that he admires Nesta! Many people think he is one of the best in the world. You however would prefer Gallas - great! Let's watch as the rest of the big clubs in Europe make major signings while we scrape the crap off the floor. Nesta IMO would cost less than Ferdinand as Lazio are in the shit, and even less because the owe us a big pile of dosh. Use your brain for once and see it makes the biggest amount of sense.
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tbh...i'd prefer us to buy Rio... nesta looked below average this season..and i wouldn't want him to carry that form into OT....


Rio's the safer option...but i agree 30-35mil is a piss take.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Rio's the safer option...but i agree 30-35mil is a piss take.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's the point!
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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they'll both cost the same amount IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, but with Lazio needing the cash, that will drop his price to about 26m IMO (unless Real come in - which is probably where he will end up. Most people here think this), he didn't put himself in the shop window during the World Cup, had some very bad games for Lazio last year (one very notable one, bit like Barthez), and Lazio they owe us a shed load of money, which might bring the price down to about 21m or so if we wave the debt.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Yeah, but with Lazio needing the cash, that will drop his price to about 26m IMO (unless Real come in - which is probably where he will end up. Most people here think this), he didn't put himself in the shop window during the World Cup, had some very bad games for Lazio last year (one very notable one, bit like Barthez), and Lazio they owe us a shed load of money, which might bring the price down to about 21m or so if we wave the debt.</strong><hr></blockquote>


we'll see... he's a good buy for 21 mil../.but i doubt whether we'll get him for that amount..no matter how desperate Lazio are...

i reckon we'll get Rio for 26-28... and we should buy back Jaap for about 8 mil...


perfect :D
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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we'll see... he's a good buy for 21 mil../.but i doubt whether we'll get him for that amount..no matter how desperate Lazio are...

i reckon we'll get Rio for 26-28... and we should buy back Jaap for about 8 mil...


perfect :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

In quality terms that would be a good deal, but Stam would not come back. There is way too much animosity.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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In quality terms that would be a good deal, but Stam would not come back. There is way too much animosity.</strong><hr></blockquote>

shame... i'd love to see him back. :(
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