La Liga/Serie A/BuLi Draft - QF Enigma_87/Snow vs Aldo/The Stain

Who will win with player peaks in the specified leagues (not career peaks)?

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The Stain said:
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:lol:
 
@Tuppet You were wondering about Lucio being reckless. Montero holds the record for most sending offs in Serie A. He was sent off 21 times in his career.

A point a tried to make is that if you would play Stainaldo's team today they wouldn't be able to cut it because you can't get away with the kind of challenges today that you could back then. Even considering that Montero still holds the record.
 
In order to attract more voters....


1993 UEFA Cup Final - Conte
Dortmund 1-3 Juventus

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1995 UEFA Champions League Final - Davids
Milan 0-1 Ajax
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1996 UEFA Champions League Final - Conte/Ferrara
Juve 1-1 Ajax

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1997 UEFA Champions League Final - Montero/Ferrara
Juve 1-3 Dortmund

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1998 UEFA Champions League Final - Montero/Davids
Juve 0-1 Real Madrid

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2003 UEFA Champions League Final - Montero/Davids/Ferrara/Shevchenko
Juve 0-0 Milan AC

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2005 UEFA Champions League Final - Shevchenko/Cafu/Kaka
Liverpool 3-3 Milan AC


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Downcast said:
In order to attract more voters....


1993 UEFA Cup Final - Conte
Dortmund 1-3 Juventus

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1995 UEFA Champions League Final - Davids
Milan 0-1 Ajax
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1996 UEFA Champions League Final - Conte/Ferrara
Juve 1-1 Ajax

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1997 UEFA Champions League Final - Montero/Ferrara
Juve 1-3 Dortmund

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1998 UEFA Champions League Final - Montero/Davids
Juve 0-1 Real Madrid

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2003 UEFA Champions League Final - Montero/Davids/Ferrara/Shevchenko
Juve 0-0 Milan AC

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2005 UEFA Champions League Final - Shevchenko/Cafu/Kaka
Liverpool 3-3 Milan AC


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Changed my vote to aldostain based on the first three and the last pic.
 
The Stain said:
This sums up van der Sar's Juve career:



:wenger::wenger::wenger:
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Come on mate. That's one goal:



would that sum Kahn's career in WC's?

VdS had conceded 20 goals(only 17 in open play). That compared to 39 for Juve the season before. Surely you can't discount that.

VdS is solid enough for his first season at Juve which is his career peak. But we have done to death that and you already agreed to that...
 
Snow said:
A point a tried to make is that if you would play Stainaldo's team today they wouldn't be able to cut it because you can't get away with the kind of challenges today that you could back then. Even considering that Montero still holds the record.
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Why would you assume today's refereeing standards will apply to the match? And for that matter, why would you assume that a player like Montero wouldn't be able to adapt to modern refereeing if he were magically transformed into a modern-day version of himself?

Are you saying, say, Scirea would be absolutely fecked in the modern game because he'd keep on passing back to the keeper?

You've made this point before, and it's not a very convincing one given the nature of what we're doing here. Where do you propose we draw the line? Montero is too outdated - so where exactly?
 
Enigma_87 said:
I don't think GK is much relevant if you go into that direction, as your keeper was only reserve keeper to Pfaff for big part of his career and became #1 only after he left or when he was injured..
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I mean. This is just a ridiculous argument. It's been like this most of the game.

216 appearances during 12 years (first 2 as reserve) in which he won 6 titles. As a starter. Third best average conceded goals per game ever in the BuLi after Neuer and Kahn.

Am i the only one that's reading the thread?

 
Enigma_87 said:
Great keeper for Bayern and Belguim, one of the top in the 80's.

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I feel sorry for the bloke, his parents werent just content with giving him a pffaff surname. They had to go and name him jean marie as well. Jean Marie Pffaff, its like they were trying to control their laughter by the end and thats how the surname pffaff came into being.
 
The Stain said:
I mean. This is just a ridiculous argument. It's been like this most of the game.

216 appearances during 12 years (first 2 as reserve) in which he won 6 titles. As a starter. Third best average conceded goals per game ever in the BuLi after Neuer and Kahn.

Am i the only one that's reading the thread?
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Funny you should mention that. VdS had the best average during those 2 seasons in which he played at Juve - 47 in 2 seasons.

83-88 the starter keeper for Bayern was Pfaff. Only in 85 he had an injury and missed half a season. How exactly it's only 2 as reserve?
 
Enigma_87 said:
Funny you should mention that. VdS had the best average during those 2 seasons in which he played at Juve - 47 in 2 seasons.

83-88 the starter keeper for Bayern was Pfaff. Only in 85 he had an injury and missed half a season. How exactly it's only 2 as reserve?
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You're right. Yes, he became starter and then injured himself and only became starter when Pfaff left. No shame in that. It didn't stop him from conceding less goals per game than most keepers in the BuLi history though. His league peak is way better than vdS'.

To claim his career peak was at Juve is questionable at best.
 
The Stain said:
You're right. Yes, he became starter and then injured himself and only became starter when Pfaff left. No shame in that. It didn't stop him from conceding less goals per game than most keepers in the BuLi history though. His league peak is way better than vdS'.

To claim his career peak was at Juve is questionable at best.
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Wasn't he a starter in 91-92 season when Bayern clocked 61 goals conceded in the league in 34 games and finished 10th?
 
I will keep fighting the good battle until the end. With bullet points. To reaaaally hit home. Everyone loves bullet points.

To sum up:

  • Cafu, Marcelo and Lucio. Three defenders who don't bat an eyelid when a chance to go forward arises. And yet the opposition are defending deep? Don't buy it. Those wing-backs will want to attack at all times. Our wingers will have a good time.
  • Playing a diamond formation against a team which has two CB's who are at ease stepping out wide as they are in the middle. Two CM's who are ate ease stepping out wide as they are in the middle. That's pretty much the entire zone of the oppositions build up play covered.
  • We have a more cohesive team. No real weakness in any department. Questions must be asked if that goes for the opposition. The central defence/Marcelo..
  • Enigma's defence is really underwhelming apart from Cafu. Our front trio will do damage.
  • 4-3-3 is superior to the diamond. Our wings will be the decisive factor in the game. Especially on the right wing.
  • Biggest mismatches on the pitch are Littbarski vs Marcelo and Mendieta vs Luiz Gustavo.
  • His attack is very good but our tactics are better suited to handle his threats than vice versa. It will be absolutely congested through the middle of the pitch and i don't feel his wing-backs will be able to prove decisive in this match against our wings.
  • Our main weapon is the interplay of two-time European midfielder of the year Mendieta and Littbarski, they're up againt defensively suspect Marcelo.
  • Not to forget that van der Sar had a bad time in Italy with many blunders.
From the write-up:
Tuppet said:
Marcelo on the left flank who is very similar to his predecessor R.Carlos and arguably in peak form close to him in terms of quality(in attacking sense for sure).
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lol
Tuppet said:
In the heart of the defence we have Lucio who is one of the best defenders in the 21 century
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lol
Tuppet said:
Thomas Helmer is his partner in defence - tough strong world class defender
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lol
Tuppet said:
Luca Modric and Bernd Schneider. Both are excellent in both phases - offence and defence.
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lol
Tuppet said:
Both will defend as a unit and neutralizing Mendieta/Davids when off possession when they try to run up the field(possibly expected more from Davids).
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Modric and Schneider, now Luiz Gustavo. Also, lolol.
Tuppet said:
Our midfield will press the opponent when off the ball to get it back, as all our midfielders can participate in the defensive line. We won't play too deep or too high defensive line, rather medium one, but having a team full of versatile players with high work rate I expect our team to push Aldo's side most of the time.
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So your pressing us most of the time but in our arguments you said you're defending deep to hit us on the counter? lol

I mean..
 
Enigma_87 said:
Wasn't he a starter in 91-92 season when Bayern clocked 61 goals conceded in the league in 34 games and finished 10th?
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So what? :lol:

Only means that wasn't his best season and his average conceded/game would have been even better. Isn't the point of the draft to judge them on the league peaks?

You've had these types of arguments all game.
 
The Stain said:
I will keep fighting the good battle until the end. With bullet points. To reaaaally hit home. Everyone loves bullet points.

To sum up:

  • Cafu, Marcelo and Lucio. Three defenders who don't bat an eyelid when a chance to go forward arises. And yet the opposition are defending deep? Don't buy it. Those wing-backs will want to attack at all times. Our wingers will have a good time.
  • Playing a diamond formation against a team which has two CB's who are at ease stepping out wide as they are in the middle. Two CM's who are ate ease stepping out wide as they are in the middle. That's pretty much the entire zone of the oppositions build up play covered.
  • We have a more cohesive team. No real weakness in any department. Questions must be asked if that goes for the opposition. The central defence/Marcelo..
  • Enigma's defence is really underwhelming apart from Cafu. Our front trio will do damage.
  • 4-3-3 is superior to the diamond. Our wings will be the decisive factor in the game. Especially on the right wing.
  • Biggest mismatches on the pitch are Littbarski vs Marcelo and Mendieta vs Luiz Gustavo.
  • His attack is very good but our tactics are better suited to handle his threats than vice versa. It will be absolutely congested through the middle of the pitch and i don't feel his wing-backs will be able to prove decisive in this match against our wings.
  • Our main weapon is the interplay of two-time European midfielder of the year Mendieta and Littbarski, they're up againt defensively suspect Marcelo.
  • Not to forget that van der Sar had a bad time in Italy with many blunders.
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Modric and Schneider, now Luiz Gustavo. Also, lolol.

So your pressing us most of the time but in our arguments you said you're defending deep to hit us on the counter? lol

I mean..
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No more lels?
 
The Stain said:
So what? :lol:

Only means that wasn't his best season and his average conceded/game would have been even better. Isn't the point of the draft to judge them on the league peaks?

You've had these types of arguments all game.
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Well considering he was a sub up until 89 and retired in 94 it's a good indication no?

As for the long quote its recycling the whole discussion cherry picking some lines. We moved on a lot since than and obviously the formation is also different
 
Enigma_87 said:
Well considering he was a sub up until 89 and retired in 94 it's a good indication no?

As for the long quote its recycling the whole discussion cherry picking some lines. We moved on a lot since than and obviously the formation is also different
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He did well to play 218 games in 5 seasons.

Cherry picking? I've summed up our main points as to why we'd win this game. Then thrown in a few gems from your write-up.
 
Good game, @Enigma_87 @Snow

Remember, arguments in the game stays on the pitch, no grudges held. You have a very good team and behalf of Aldo, we wish you all the best going forward.

Good luck, guys.
 
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