The problem is not about they getting clear pens called, more about clear pens in their area not being reviewed or even get a replay on the broadcast, and other teams not getting their penalties right either.
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I don't even watch the replay anymore. Maybe being strict it would be penalty but this is becoming handball. They have to do something with VarOur best player by far
I'm still waiting for penalties not called on Varane (two in the Nou Camp), Brahim and Vinicius in the first half of the league.
nah, honestly both were clear cut penalties
Same as last game against getafe
Good thing they keep not conceding them against us
Another clean sheet for Madrid? That seems to be the big difference between Barcelona and Madrid (other than the shoddy ownership of the former). Big credit to Zidane that he's made them pretty solid
I'm watching the game in stream, in English, and they say "Krus" instead of Kroos, is that the correct pronunciation?
The lack of reviewing the Garcia one is just puzzling
Vini's controls are amazing
Honestly the one from last game was just as bad
We're reaching a point were Pique has a point
No. It's krös afaik
It seems clear penalty to Raúl García.As @Ishdalar said I don't understand why sometimes they intervene and sometimes they don't (as the penalty to Varane in Barcelona as gatoloco said)
because refs are human and therefore fallible
I think in this case it's the fact that one was a mistimed challenge for the ball, the other an accidental contact away from the ball. But yeah, this was a pretty weird case
Or maybe Flo really bought the refs
Yes, it's a clear penalty on Raul Garcia. The fact the ball is far away from Ramos and García doesn't change that.
We can all wait, I can wait to know why Rivaldo's equalizer was calle ofside 20 years ago.
As @carvajal says, smells awful when things like the Camp Nou pens happen and VAR fails or doesn't even review it, smells awful when things goe the other way around. But what stinks is that decisions, reviews and refeering momentum swings for months like there's some kind of corruption behind it.
The challenge from Casemiro right at the end should have been a straight red too. Two footer, studs off the ground, it was a wild lunge.
This system does not convince me.
I understand that they follow the rule but it would bother me to lose because of that shitty penalty, but one day it will happen to us.
I would raise the bar on penalties and force the referee to see everything in a tv.
What does the rule say about this particular kind of actions?
I don't like conspiracy theories but it seems to me this season the referees decided it's time for Madrid to win the league again, and it helps them that Barcelona is having a mini-crisis so not many cares about their bias.
The var is the best way to adulterate the competition, and to look for a "contact" to do what you want.
From keeping the competition very balanced to decide it. I'm not saying that is the case but it leaves a bittersweet taste due to the amout of conversation about referees
Do you mean the stomp? I don't know, I guess it has to do with contact and the intention with the ball? I am saying this to understand the no penalty to Raúl García , but I am not sure anymore, like the red one for Modric in Vigo when there have been dozens that have not been reviewed
That's how it works.
I'd prefer losing to an actual penalty with VAR than to a wrong penalty without
Same, what irks me more is when refs starting reviewing every action that can benefit or harm Team A, but when it comes to Team B they only review actions that will harm them. Like they're trying to tip the scales and at the same time they throw players out of concentration.
And it's happening with Real Madrid now (since the Real Sociedad game, I think), but it probably happened with us in the past, it happens in the rest of fixtures a lot, and 2nd divisions is just a circus. They need to implement some kind of eagle eye calls like in tennis, and refs need to start explaining why they're reaching conclusions after reviews like the NFL or it will just always end up looking corrupt.
Pre lockdown things had been more or less equal between us and barcelona wrt refs and VAR. Post lockdown though, oh boy
I disagree. I think VAR makes things a lot fairer and reduces the possibility of corruption, because it would be too blatant. Not that it doesn't allow for nudges here and there, but then those were equally possible and harder to spot without it
The red on Modric was down to a new directive that for whatever reason was discarded mid-season
The real solution, which for whatever reason the various FAs are against, would be to let the refs explain the big decisions post game
Only two players have more than 10 goals for Madrid this season and one of them is Sergio Ramos. Crazy stat.
Are they broke? Why haven’t they gone into PR overdrive to try and court one of Salah/Mané all season?
Are they broke? Why haven’t they gone into PR overdrive to try and court one of Salah/Mané all season?
I'm sure that what happened with the red card for Modric changed the criteria they had on those actions.
When the action happened, everyone in the radio said that it was harsh, but explained that before starting the league refs decided that every tackle that touched the Achilles from a lateral or behind position would be a red card, since they are often avoidable and can easily injury a player.
Real Madrid became angry, media started to spin the idea of how that red card was outrageous and from that day onwards I only remember another instance of a player being ejected for that kind of tackle. It shows that the referee committee breaks easily under pressure.
Waiting for Mbappe to decide to move I think?
Also trying finally to shift likes of Bale and Rodriguez off the books for good.
Also trying finally to shift likes of Bale and Rodriguez off the books for good.
in all honesty the quality of the refs is very poor atm. I'm not sure if there's a league with a good quality of refs, but Spain, Italy and England are terrible, and the refs committees and unions are terrible
Which is another reason why VAR with all its faults is a good thing imo
I mean, i'd rather VAR than the judgement of fecking Mateu Lahoz
Which is another reason why VAR with all its faults is a good thing imo
I mean, i'd rather VAR than the judgement of fecking Mateu Lahoz
That it would be great
Didn't even know Real Madrid had already played as there was no 1pm game yesterday. Anyway think it will all but be confirmed by 11pm as Barca usually drop points away to Villareal and Yellow Submarine are in brilliant form right now and could easily make top 4.
Mateu Lahoz was the one in charge of the VAR room in the Barcelona - Atletico with 3 penalties last week, be careful what you wish for
As I said, I think it was a penalty on Raul Garcia.
What I cannot agree with is the idea that it's the same situation as Marcelo's penalty. No sir, Marcelo is attacking with the ball in an advantageous position, the defender is late and stomps in his foot. Raul Garcia is in an offside position, the ball is far away from him and the Madrid defense is perfectly positioned. It's a phallacy to equal both actions, and in fact if you want to look for similar actions you would have to look for them elsewhere. And once you do that, let's see how many penalties were called.
One thing is to be a fanatic and deny every call that harms my own team, another thing is to accept everything just to look "impartial" enough. Both things are equally hateful for me.
What I cannot agree with is the idea that it's the same situation as Marcelo's penalty. No sir, Marcelo is attacking with the ball in an advantageous position, the defender is late and stomps in his foot. Raul Garcia is in an offside position, the ball is far away from him and the Madrid defense is perfectly positioned. It's a phallacy to equal both actions, and in fact if you want to look for similar actions you would have to look for them elsewhere. And once you do that, let's see how many penalties were called.
One thing is to be a fanatic and deny every call that harms my own team, another thing is to accept everything just to look "impartial" enough. Both things are equally hateful for me.
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Yeah that's the other side of the coin, but still, at least he can't do as much damage from VAR. At worst he confirms bad decisionsMateu Lahoz was the one in charge of the VAR room in the Barcelona - Atletico with 3 penalties last week, be careful what you wish for
Btw, in all honesty all 3 penalties in barcelona-atletico were fine imo. The first two looked clear live, and regardless of the dives there is contact. I don't think it would be right to overturn them. And the third one was a clear penalty, even if it didn't look like much
When I talked about actions not being reviewed in Real Madrid's area I was talking about the game vs Getafe, Carvajal committed a pen, the action wasn't reviewed nor shown in replays on the broadcast when it was clear as a day, in my opinion, that at least it deserved being looked by the ref.
Then I saw the Raul Garcia action after I posted, of course is not the same as the pen on Marcelo but it just proves my point, actions in their area are not being looked in VAR, while everything on the other end has an exhaustive review.
At least Pique is not the only one talking about it now.
It's ok if you conclude that, but not based on that particular play. For the Raul Garcia action to prove your point you would have to look for similar situations this season in the whole competition and see how that has affected each team. How many actions has the VAR reviewed which were exactly like these which ended in a penalty call? I ask you this because I have seen none, so based on that, I cannot see any bias involved in that particular play.
Honestly the one from last game was just as bad
We're reaching a point were Pique has a point
Hahaha But still, you guys deserve the league, at least you can keep clean sheets
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Nah, the English just love to butcher names. The "O"s are pronounced like the o in claros or dos, just with the weight of the pronunciation on the o and not on the s, hence the double o in Kroos (the s is soft).
Thank you,nice examples
Nobody agrees with me but VAR should be banned for penalties unless its someone defending a clear goal with his hand like Suarez and its missed. No other sport uses technology for interpretation matters. Use VAR for clear offsides, or someone assaulting someone like Zidane on Materazzi and let football go back to what it was.