Kylian Mbappe | Merci.

Oly Francis said:
Oh so it was normal for Mbappé to push for a transfer in 2021 but it's not normal for PSG to do the same thing now?
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And what happened when PSG refused to let him move in the summer of 2021? He played arguably the best season of in career in 2021-2022. He didn't threaten PSG with refusing to play, or moped, or underperformed.

Comparing the two situations won't make PSG any favors. PSG's position of wanting him to move is logical and understandable, but threatening him or trying to coerce him into something he doesn't want is despicable.
 
mitchmouse said:
well, I never was good at maths. but the point I was making is that I don't believe it's the fair Play, it's the f@cking owners
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I am in the minority here, but I don't think owners should invest money in clubs, and are in their right to take out profits as dividends. As any other owner of any other business.

We have always been able to spend as much or more than other top clubs. Even this summer we are doing quite well.
 
I don’t understand why Mbappe didn’t announce his intention not to renew untill the window had passed and the new season had started. His intention was never to move this summer so what gain was there mentioning it during the summer?
 
Renegade said:
I don’t understand why Mbappe didn’t announce his intention not to renew untill the window had passed and the new season had started. His intention was never to move this summer so what gain was there mentioning it during the summer?
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There are some parts of it we don't really know, but some reports indicate that there was an internal deadline at PSG for Mbappé to extend on the 31st of July, which would have let a whole month for this saga to happen anyway. Presumably he wanted to get a headstart from a PR perspective.
 
Renegade said:
I don’t understand why Mbappe didn’t announce his intention not to renew untill the window had passed and the new season had started. His intention was never to move this summer so what gain was there mentioning it during the summer?
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I think he was hoping he could force them sell now for a small fee to Real Madrid, but then Saudi Arabia came and set a price and everything falls apart.
 
mshnsh said:
My point is that Ronaldo never played at a level that is unreachable (even if he played at a high level); that is a myth created by his fanboys. I watched Ronaldo since his debut vs Bolton all those years ago and never did I feel that I'm watching someone playing at that mythical level. For most of his peak, I saw a physical specimen that was great on the counters and a goalscoring machine who could score any type of goal.

And, it is not a lie to suggest that a world class talent like Mbappe has atleast reached that level even without achieving that level of success at club level. The Real team Ronaldo played for was much better than PSG and the opposite is true at international level.

Longevity and numbers rather than peak allround performances propelled Ronaldo to greatness.
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Again, unless we're talking about a different Ronaldo or a different Mbappe, yes this is a lie. Also, you say the Real team that Ronaldo played for was better than PSG (true) but also the quality of opponent in La Liga that he faced was superior to those faced in Ligue 1.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I’ve not been following this very closely and can’t be bothered to read a 20 paragraph statement by PSG. Essentially what I get is that PSG want to keep him but if they can’t want to sell him this summer rather than letting him walk on a free transfer. Mbappe doesn’t want to go this summer presumably because he’d be too expensive for this favouritest club Madrid and wants to leave on a free pocketing much of the would be transfer money himself. And now PSG have left him out of the squad. Does that sum it up?

If so, I can’t begrudge what PSG have done. They should absolutely push him out this season but at the same time need to temper their fee demands as they’re the ones that need to sell and every club doesn’t have unlimited state funding. I think leaving him on the bench this season or threatening to do so is a good move and PSG should be able to afford it.
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I think honouring a contract should never be begrudged. Mbappe has every right to insist on fulfilling it without extending. The same way a player has only himself to blame if he signs a long contract and can't leave, the club should blame itself when a player they want to keep or sell is about to leave on a free.

However, there are grey areas. Some players force their way out of their contracts and this is usually met with huge outrage and ill will by fans and media outlets. What PSG is doing isnl the club equivalent to this. They try to force Mbappe into an extension or a move this year by threatening to leave him on the bench. It might be legal (up to a certain extent) but a player going into a 'soft strike' by stinking up the place and only doing the minimum is legal as well.
 
Robertd0803 said:
One of these is not like the others......
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One? Do you mean Spurs or Al-Hilal? Neither should be in this conversation for Mbappe.

PSG have really destroyed the market; first with the ridiculous Neymar fee that now demands every elite player costs €100mn+ and now by paying Mbappe such an extreme remuneration that it's only plastic clubs like City, Newcastle, Chelsea and Al-Hilal that can afford to buy someone like him without bankrupting their club. Invariably your team is doomed to failure because unless you have a super coach like Pep, the player will always be bigger than the coach and therefore the team which breeds contempt among team mates etc
 
Psg should cherish him playing one more year, once he goes they are going to struggle, they ain't the shiny toy they once were for players
 
I think Mbappe and Neymar are the top two players we should absolutely avoid. The drama around them isn't worth it for the club or for ETH. We've already cleared out the agitators.
 
Oly Francis said:
Oh so it was normal for Mbappé to push for a transfer in 2021 but it's not normal for PSG to do the same thing now?
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The contractual situation is the same in 2021 than in 2023: Mbappe has a year left in his contract. In one year PSG absolutely refuse to even listen to any offers, and in another year they are hysterically trying to sell him to the highest bidder.

You can see why people might find this inconsistent.
 
Ultimately we are talking about football here and PSG's actions cannot be justified in terms of football. Mbappe was great two years ago and is great now, PSG do not have a better squad now than they did two years ago, you cannot explain by 'football' why two years ago they had to go insane to try and keep him and today they have to go insane to try to offload them.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
The contractual situation is the same in 2021 than in 2023: Mbappe has a year left in his contract. In one year PSG absolutely refuse to even listen to any offers, and in another year they are hysterically trying to sell him to the highest bidder.

You can see why people might find this inconsistent.
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I'm convinced the plan was to either sell him this season or to have him trigger his extra year so he's sold next season. It's impossible his future wasn't mentionned in the negociation surrounding his new contract. The club was stupid enough to believe Mbappé wouldn't leave without a fee because he apparently told them so. Now MBappé wants to cash in and leave at the end of his contract and the club is screwed.

Iker Quesadillas said:
Ultimately we are talking about football here and PSG's actions cannot be justified in terms of football. Mbappe was great two years ago and is great now, PSG do not have a better squad now than they did two years ago, you cannot explain by 'football' why two years ago they had to go insane to try and keep him and today they have to go insane to try to offload them.
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Of course it can be justified in terms of football. PSG is starting a new cycle and needs to buy top attackers and midfielders, loosing MBappé without a transfer fee would be a financial disaster for the club. You'd have to build your team around Mbappé for one season only to change your gameplan drastically next season without the budget to replace him. That would be a terrible situation.
 
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Only the Saudis can afford to pay a fee of £150m odd and those insane wages, no other club can afford to do that this summer....and there is no way he moves there unless its some bizarre one year contract.

He only moves if he accepts massively reduced wages or PSG end up selling him for barely nothing. There is now way Mbappe does that when he is sitting on a gold mine in a years time already and feel PSG will be too stubborn to accept a derisory fee.

I think we actually see Mbappe rot for a year of playing no football and costing PSG another £50m odd in wages to do so
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
Ultimately we are talking about football here and PSG's actions cannot be justified in terms of football. Mbappe was great two years ago and is great now, PSG do not have a better squad now than they did two years ago, you cannot explain by 'football' why two years ago they had to go insane to try and keep him and today they have to go insane to try to offload them.
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Tbf, I'm pretty sure if Mbappe sings an extension with PSG this summer, all will be forgiven until next summer, then they do this song and dance all over again.
 
Oly Francis said:
I'm convinced the plan was to either sell him this season or to have him trigger his extra year so he's sold next season. It's impossible his future wasn't mentionned in the negociation surrounding his new contract. The club was stupid enough to believe Mbappé wouldn't leave without a fee because he apparently told them so. Now MBappé wants to cash in and leave at the end of his contract and the club is screwed.



Of course it can be justified in terms of football. PSG is starting a new cycle and needs to buy top attackers and midfielders, loosing MBappé without a transfer fee would be a financial disaster for the club. You'd have to build your team around Mbappé for one season only to change your gameplan drastically next season without the budget to replace him. That would be a terrible situation.
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I think the financial disaster is a little overstated, QSI plans financial disasters every summer and call it "direction of football". Ultimately I feel Neymar will be judged less favorably in cost/production ratio because I don't believe he is going to sell very well either. No Mbappé fee may mean some more FFP fines but that's the nuPSG ethos. Maybe that will be the shock to finally but the sporting project first instead of throwing money at it (doubt it).

Similarly, while not ideal to have him just for one year, I think Luis Enrique can work around it. Sure, you probably can't find a 1:1 replacement but as I understand it the priority issues are returning to a functioning midfield and bringing some balance back to the squad. It's not so much a departing Mbappé I'm worried about, but moreso having to find the right system but also having to put Mbappé & Neymar (well, the months he's fit...) on the match sheet. That's more of a tactical headache to accommodate than the striker position. Silver lining is that Kylian not being a hard defensive worker lately at PSG, the squad won't be massively imbalanced on fundamentals the season after that if he leaves.
 
Oly Francis said:
I'm convinced the plan was to either sell him this season or to have him trigger his extra year so he's sold next season.
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If the plan was to sell him when he had 1 year left on his contract then PSG should have done that two years ago when he had 1 year left on his contract.
 
How to make a mess out of a limpid situation.

PSG want to sell Mbappe if he doesn't sign an extension.
Real Madrid have wanted Mbappe for a while and need him now that Benzema is gone.
Mbappe loves Real Madrid and needs to leave to take his club career to the next level.

PSG need to lower their asking price, Mbappe his wages and Real have to make a reasonable offer. All parties win in that situation.
Mbappe seems the most likely to block a transfer, in what would be another management mistake. What would his motivations be if he does, outside of money and ego/stubbornness?

If Mbappe doesn't want to leave this summer, I wouldn't blame PSG for keeping the diva (I like him, but that's what he is) on the shelf for the whole season.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
If the plan was to sell him when he had 1 year left on his contract then PSG should have done that two years ago when he had 1 year left on his contract.
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I mean the plan when Mbappé extended with a 2+1 contract, obviously not 2 years ago.
 
He's currently the best player in the world. I don't know Kylian personally, and I honestly do not like talking about people I've never met, with such assertion but from what I've seen, he makes Ronaldo look modest.

I'd love to see him playing for us, and out of curiosity I'd like to see him in the PL but everything is pointing towards a move to Madrid. I hope they just get on with it and sign him. He's too good to be playing in the French league. Even my cat knows that.
 
How the hell can the club (the parasites) keep reiterating the FFP lie, then apparently we are in for £160 mill Mbappe? Load of bollocks. If by some miracle he came here this wage structure they are trying to implement would be destroyed forever. He still wouldnt guarantee the big trophies either.
 
wolvored said:
How the hell can the club (the parasites) keep reiterating the FFP lie, then apparently we are in for £160 mill Mbappe? Load of bollocks. If by some miracle he came here this wage structure they are trying to implement would be destroyed forever. He still wouldnt guarantee the big trophies either.
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We could probably afford him but not afford anyone else for the next ten windows.

I think I'd probably take it tbh.
 
Let’s loan him for a season and then he can go to Madrid for free.
 
wolvored said:
How the hell can the club (the parasites) keep reiterating the FFP lie, then apparently we are in for £160 mill Mbappe? Load of bollocks. If by some miracle he came here this wage structure they are trying to implement would be destroyed forever. He still wouldnt guarantee the big trophies either.
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As the club actually said anything about FFP? I'm pretty sure that the FFP narratives are bs from some papers because as an example in the past year the only times FFP was mentioned in financial reports was in the explanation of the system and then one claim which is that the club intend to operate within those rules but that it doesn't expect it to prevent them from attracting the best players. Basically the official line is the opposite of the one shared by some papers.
 
JPRouve said:
As the club actually said anything about FFP? I'm pretty sure that the FFP narratives are bs from some papers because as an example in the past year the only times FFP was mentioned in financial reports was in the explanation of the system and then one claim which is that the club intend to operate within those rules but that it doesn't expect it to prevent them from attracting the best players. Basically the official line is the opposite of the one shared by some papers.
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Its been reported numerous times in the media that Utd have 100-120 mill to spend because of FFP or whatever its morphing into this season, because of historic spending. Somebody at the club must be leaking this.
 
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