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Drainy said:
was great back in the day. I was a proper anti-dubya, not in my name, online atheist with rage lefty back then. Feeling a bit out in the cold politically at the moment. This thread is a case in point :lol:
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It must be a Kafka-esque nightmare you are living in.
 
shamans said:
Where the hell do you gather this from. There is video evidence and not just "feeling scared". Laws differ from state to state and some states give way too much rights to the gun owner but some do in fact give very little to the point where you you can't defend your own home.
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Nah. Video evidence doesn't show he was gonna get murdered. Nothing even remotely close to that.

It was only inside his mind that those feelings existed. Even before he left his home state to go play vigilantism, his brain was already preloaded with fear, hate and bigotry.

Absolutely no one was murdered that night before he showed up. Why he thought he was gonna get murdered? Because his brain was preloaded with all those type of feelings.
 
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James Morrison, (no, not from the Doors) is said to be the MSNBC reporter arrested for following the jury bus. He said he received orders from Irene Byon, who is, in fact, an NBC producer.
This will be interesting
 
Achilles McCool said:
James Morrison, (no, not from the Doors) is said to be the MSNBC reporter arrested for following the jury bus. He said he received orders from Irene Byon, who is, in fact, an NBC producer.
This will be interesting
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If this actually turns out to be true, that producer is getting fired. A massive error for such a high-profile case.
 
Achilles McCool said:
James Morrison, (no, not from the Doors) is said to be the MSNBC reporter arrested for following the jury bus. He said he received orders from Irene Byon, who is, in fact, an NBC producer.
This will be interesting
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technically he got stopped for running a red light, and that's how he got caught
 
George Owen said:
Nah. Video evidence doesn't show he was gonna get murdered. Nothing even remotely close to that.

It was only inside his little brain that those feelings existed. Even before he left his home state to go play vigilantism, his little brain was already preloaded with fear, hate and bigotry.

Absolutely no one was muredered that night before he showed up. Why he thought he was gonna get murdered? Because his pea brain was preloaded with all those type of feelings.
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The video evidence, more specifically of the second incident is conclusive for me. He was being chased and was at risk of serious injury or death if they’d have disarmed him.

He Is literally on his back/ass having to defend himself against people trying to boot his head in, smash it with a skateboard and a guy actually pointing a gun at him. You’d have to be an idiot not to shoot in self defence at that point.

But the argument for some is, he’s a right wing vigilante and brought a gun...so it’s murder. Ignoring the fact he never threatened anyone and was attacked by a mob of shady individuals.
 
George Owen said:
Nah. Video evidence doesn't show he was gonna get murdered. Nothing even remotely close to that.

It was only inside his little brain that those feelings existed. Even before he left his home state to go play vigilantism, his little brain was already preloaded with fear, hate and bigotry.

Absolutely no one was muredered that night before he showed up. Why he thought he was gonna get murdered? Because his pea brain was preloaded with all those type of feelings.
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Clearly we both disagree, which means it isn't just a case of it being just fear. If it was that easy there wouldn't be a whole court trial over it.

In my opinion this kid was a cnut but the act seemed like self defense to me. I could be wrong.
 
Wait are people actually arguing that this wasn't self defence after watching the video from the night? He was clearly running away and being chased down before being attacked ffs. He may have been armed but even in videos of him in the build up, he's generally going around with a fire extinguisher and volunteering as a first aider. Furthermore it's a bit stupid for a racist white supremacist to go around killing er white people isn't it?
 
shamans said:
Clearly we both disagree, which means it isn't just a case of it being just fear. If it was that easy there wouldn't be a whole court trial over it.

In my opinion this kid was a cnut but the act seemed like self defense to me. I could be wrong.
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For me, if he was being shot at, then he had the right to shoot back. But he was just being chased. No indication he was gonna get murdered (the armed mob could have just shot him at any moment right?).

That's why for me, proportionally speaking, he went overboard with the self defence.

He shot these people, because sadly, his mind has been brainwashed. Police, guns and violence are his religion. He probably assumes everyone out there has a mind filled with violent intents towards fellow humans just as him.

fergieisold said:
The video evidence, more specifically of the second incident is conclusive for me. He was being chased and was at risk of serious injury or death if they’d have disarmed him.

He Is literally on his back/ass having to defend himself against people trying to boot his head in, smash it with a skateboard and a guy actually pointing a gun at him. You’d have to be an idiot not to shoot in self defence at that point.

But the argument for some is, he’s a right wing vigilante and brought a gun...so it’s murder. Ignoring the fact he never threatened anyone and was attacked by a mob of shady individuals.
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Seriously, not really. A sensible person just drops his weapon and surrenders before getting to that point. Police were just meters away. He was not gonna get murdered by a mob.

What Kyle did, was the equivalent to the US firing their nuclear arsenal on the world if they were about to lose the war (that they started).
 
George Owen said:
For me, if he was being shot at, then he had the right to shoot back. But he was just being chased. No indication he was gonna get murdered (the armed mob could have just shot him at any moment right?).

That's why for me, proportionally speaking, he went overboard with the self defence.

He shot these people, because sadly, his mind has been brainwashed. Police, guns and violence are his religion. He probably assumes everyone out there has a mind filled with violent intents towards fellow humans just as him.



Seriously, not really. A sensible person just drops his weapon and surrenders before getting to that point. Police were just meters away. He was not gonna get murdered by a mob.

What Kyle did, was the equivalent to the US firing their nuclear arsenal on the world if they were about to lose the war (that they started).
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You think saving his own life was going overboard on self-defense ? Interesting.
 
He went there as a highly armed vigilante to find someone to kill. I hope he goes to prison for a very long time.
 
Raoul said:
You think saving his own life was going overboard on self-defense ? Interesting.
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If he was in fact saving his own life, then obviously not. But that only happened in his own mind though. In reality, he murdered several people on the assumption he was gonna get murdered, when there was no clear indication of it. And all of this happened because he decided to play vigilante.
 
George Owen said:
For me, if he was being shot at, then he had the right to shoot back. But he was just being chased. No indication he was gonna get murdered (the armed mob could have just shot him at any moment right?).

That's why for me, proportionally speaking, he went overboard with the self defence.

He shot these people, because sadly, his mind has been brainwashed. Police, guns and violence are his religion. He probably assumes everyone out there has a mind filled with violent intents towards fellow humans just as him.
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Just be honest, what would you do in that situation surrounded by those guys with what was being done to him?

Don't tell me you wouldn't be there in the first place because I agree with everything about this kid being a brainwashed twat but now that you are in this situation, what other option is there?
 
George Owen said:
If he was in fact saving his own life, then obviously not. But that only happened in his own mind though. In reality, he murdered several people on the assumption he was gonna get murdered, when there was no clear indication of it. And all of this happened because he decided to play vigilante.
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At what point would it be certain to know that said person was going to kill him or not?
 
shamans said:
Just be honest, what would you do in that situation surrounded by those guys with what was being done to him?

Don't tell me you wouldn't be there in the first place because I agree with everything about this kid being a brainwashed twat but now that you are in this situation, what other option is there?
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How can I know that? With my current mindset, I would just take a beating/surrender 100% before shooting anyone. At 17yo, who knows. But doesn't matter what I would have done. Proportionality in self defence, it's quite important, because otherwise, at which point self defence ends?

I might have been there. At 17 years old I had many shady views as well.

shamans said:
At what point would it be certain to know that said person was going to kill him or not?
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When you start getting shot by the angry armed mob. Not when just chased.
 
George Owen said:
How can I know that? With my current mindset, I would just take a beating/surrender 100% before shooting anyone. At 17yo, who knows. But doesn't matter what I would have done. Proportionality in self defence, it's quite important, because otherwise, at which point self defence ends?

I might have been there. At 17 years old I had many shady views as well.



When you start getting shot by the angry armed mob. Not when just chased.
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If this is a mugging or bar fight then yes, I'd probably just run or punch a few. But A skateboard to my head? feck that.

There'a video on store owner being kicked in the head during the riot, can't find it but it's posted here. NO way i'm risking myself to that in this instances. Not if I have a gun with me. If I sense so much they're gonna jump on me, I'd pull my gun out and tell them to stop, they advance I shoot.
 
fergieisold said:
The evidence doesn’t suggest that though. Nothing about his behaviour that night pointed to him looking for someone to kill. The problems started when he was attacked.
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This problem began when a 17 year old drove to a town he didn't live in with an assault rifle to reenact call of duty instead of letting the police do their job.
 
Wibble said:
This problem began when a 17 year old drove to a town he didn't live in with an assault rifle to reenact call of duty instead of letting the police do their job.
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I think in most countries this simply wouldnt be ok
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Whilst this is normalised there is going to be issues

that said if sandy hook didn't get people to think yeah perhaps we need to have less guns in circulation and instead got people to say yeah well if the teachers all had guns and or security had bigger guns then it wouldnt happen then its a problem I dont think is going to be solved... yay... go Murica
 
Throughout this thread there been a real problem with people separating the stupid decision Rittenhouse made prior to the killings and the split second decisions he made in the moment.

Do I think he was an idiot for attending a politically charged riot/protest with a deadly weapon? Yes. Was he justified in shooting his attackers in self defence? By American law, yes. We cannot apply European views to this as they simply do not match up with the laws in the US.

Rittenhouse probably deserves some sort of punishment, and he'll likely get that on some lesser charge, but all evidence supports his plea of self defence.

Is this a bad thing for the US in general? IMO absolutely. He will likely be held up now as some right wing matyr regardless of the outcome of this trial.
 
Wibble said:
This problem began when a 17 year old drove to a town he didn't live in with an assault rifle to reenact call of duty instead of letting the police do their job.
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And for that he is guilty and will likely (hopefully) get some punishment for it. But he has a solid case for self defence for the events that occurred afterwards.
 
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