Unless cheating bastards in 1st place get their titles stripped
Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season
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Well, 11 leagues in 15 yrs in three different countries puts Pep at the top by some distance no matter the money situation. He’s never been put in a position that Klopp was in as far as the size of clubs or finances but you have to be a brilliant mgr to have accomplished what he has done in such a short amount of time. Building a team with limited resources I would take Klopp over anyone in the game. Building an established team with huge finances I would take Pep over any mgr in history.
This is just wrong. SAF was always ahead of his peers in man management and he would be same even if he managed today. He didn't deal with all players in same way, he knew how to deal with each player. How he treated Cantona was different from how he treated Nani or Rooney and they were 15-20 years apart.
A day in life of Pep:
Lets prepare for a crunch game against our main rivals who we have outspent by a factor of 3.
Guys, when you lose the ball, charge the opposing players to win it back
KDB cross it into space, the Yeti will somehow tap it in. If that fails, Rodri, please score from range.
Off I go to receive my 1 mil per week.
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8.5 years.
7 major honours? I only see it as 4
1 league.
1 fa cup.
1 league cup.
1 champions league.
Are we really going to count the charity shield, super cup or club world?
I think Klopp is a brilliant manager but the stats do not back up his rating to be up with Pep and Fergie or even Wenger. Mourinho has been much more successful.
Big blow to Liverpool he’s a big character and plays great football.
7 major honours? I only see it as 4
1 league.
1 fa cup.
1 league cup.
1 champions league.
Are we really going to count the charity shield, super cup or club world?
I think Klopp is a brilliant manager but the stats do not back up his rating to be up with Pep and Fergie or even Wenger. Mourinho has been much more successful.
Big blow to Liverpool he’s a big character and plays great football.
The confidence with which this nonsense is said is truly remarkable. Or just a troll.Is this based on SAF managing for only 26 years and rebuilding the squad time and again? You think dealing with Keane and dealing with Ronaldo was the same thing?
As a United fan, I'm glad he's leaving.
That said, he's a great manager and the league will be worse off without him. Credit to him for looking at the big picture. Not enough managers, or people, do.
That said, he's a great manager and the league will be worse off without him. Credit to him for looking at the big picture. Not enough managers, or people, do.
Is this based on SAF managing for only 26 years and rebuilding the squad time and again? You think dealing with Keane and dealing with Ronaldo was the same thing?
Definitely. SAF changed a lot and all the stuff said about modern day players was said about the players of 10 years ago and 10 years before that. It's the same old "kids these days" bollix.
Yeah because players salaries and agents were invented in 2015.
Moreover, Pep has rarely had to manage a strong personality. The one time I can think of was Zlatan and we know how that went. Ironically, he fecked off Eto'o for Zlatan, and even Eto'o has some interesting things to say about Pep's man management skills.
How do you define strong personality
In this context, an egomaniac who is an incredibly gifted footballer and knows it.
If we acknowledge that City cheated he'd have 3 titles, getting 90 plus points usually gets you a title too. Second with 97 points is not terrible.
I’m actually amazed to see Klopp’s record when you look back.
9 years with Liverpool, 1 Premier League, 1 Champions League, 1 FA cup, and 3 plus 90 pt seasons. Chelsea have won the same over this period.
LVG, Mourinho, Solskjaer and Ten Hag have all finished above his Liverpool sides.
I think he’s a great manager and you have to consider the facts around City. There is the possibility of more trophies this season as well. I just expected him to have won a lot more than he has.
9 years with Liverpool, 1 Premier League, 1 Champions League, 1 FA cup, and 3 plus 90 pt seasons. Chelsea have won the same over this period.
LVG, Mourinho, Solskjaer and Ten Hag have all finished above his Liverpool sides.
I think he’s a great manager and you have to consider the facts around City. There is the possibility of more trophies this season as well. I just expected him to have won a lot more than he has.
Trying again as original reply got mish-mashed.
1. How has he achieved more? He has won more trophies than Klopp as it stands, ffs. Rest is irrelevant. In addition, Klopp has a strike rate of 33% in CL finals as Liverpool manager so let's not go overboard here.
2. What are you even on about here? Klopp has won a treble/quadruple has he? Also, surely Klopp would trade away his only CL win for a couple more league titles. See how that works?
3. And? They could have easily lost to Madrid again in a one off cup final.
4. Yet, Klopp has a strike rate of 33% in CL finals as Liverpool manager (not to forget his other CL final loss as Dortmund manager). Shouldn't a best manager be able to win more than 33% (25% if you count Dortmund) of the time?
Also, how many managers in English football history have managed to win back to back league titles? A pretty tough feat aswell.
I’d say Jose is missing the Champions League success with an English club as well.
Klopp has spent huge money and an established team, you’re just comparing it to state owned finances.
it’s also a shit point because you don’t need huge finances to build a great team. SAF dominated England with less if you use your metric.
You could put SAF, prime Wenger or somebody in this City set up who would dominate England without the spend. Why would that make them worse than Pep who needs to spend more?
True, never even made a final with an English team. Wenger's records worse though (despite the one final) - it never felt like Arsenal even belonged at that stage under him.
Zidane being linked with Liverpool. Dont think he’s the right fit for them though… unless there looking at someone to come in and challenge straight away and then go for a project manager… xabi is the favourite but the problem with him is he’s not won anything yet and only been in a major league for a year.. if I was their owners I’d be tempted to look at that manager from Sporting. Currently top of their league… plays attractive football and he’s won trophies.
No it’s not. It’s exactly the same. It’s second place.
First of all, that's childish. If ETH finished second by a point to Pep in the next two seasons while scoring 99 points in each of them, we wouldn't be calling for him to be sacked because someone else can do better. But keep finishing second with a 30 point gap to City? Obvious room for improvement.
Secondly, points totals are important. It's important for Liverpool fans to remember that they've lost 3 titles to City over a total of 4 points. They can scream themselves hoarse about City's cheating all they want. But that's the fact. It's karma for their celebrations after that Aguero goal.
It's less comparable, given we're living in an era of City's unpunished cheating. Guardiola has an asterisk next to his achievements over the last decade, and so Klopp has performed better than the 1 title (so far) suggests. I'd put him clearly above all of those managers, probably slightly below Wenger, given the greater impact the latter had on the wider league.
If Fergie was managing today, he'd dominate just like before.
Guardiola wouldn't even have come to England as he's a coward of a manager.
Good riddance you two-faced whining cnut.
Right, right. Ferguson really put the fear of god in him.
Wait a minute. Dalglish won as many league titles as Wenger and Klopp combined and was prevented from taking his side into the European Cup.
He was even offered the chance to follow the great man but shat himself at the thought.
Was thinking about this recently, he went for that meeting in New York knowing full well that he was going to City and Txiki Begiristain had already moved to City ahead of him. I’m 99% sure he would have gone to that meeting with City’s knowledge and blessing encouraged to find out what SAF’s plans were.
He didn't find anything out though in that case.
He's a very good manager. He also spent a lot of money. He had success, somewhat limited. His reputation exceeds what he's actually done in the game. I don't know what's hard to comprehend about that, it's pretty straightforward.
Also, points tallies mean absolutely nothing.
Every year have it own difficulties. Don’t think for second that when those managers and teams won the league that it was easy. Wenger performed better than 3 trophies. So did Mourinho. That doesn’t mean much if there is better team or manager on the other side.
His points tallies don't though. My argument is why he's the best manager in the world. Not whether he could have won more during his time at Liverpool. They are mutually exclusive given he was the only manager to consistently go toe to toe with a club which essentially cheated over an extended period.
No other manager walks in and touches what he did, which was winning every available trophy, with the resources Liverpool had. Yes, they spent but relative to a couple other clubs flexing their muscles, he didn't spend as much as them.
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He isn't. Pep is.
How'd a "Klopp is leaving LFC" thread turn into a "Pep vs Fergie "thread?
The ONLY reason his stats doesn't match up is because of a certain oil doped club under Pep. If it was a more fair fight he would have more titles at Liverpool.
Did Fergie not have to deal with the exact same thing with Chelsea?
And also lost a league title to this city..
No chance, Pep has never taken a challenge quite like Liverpool or Dortmund and would need a blank chequebook to transcend a team.
Theres no chance Pep has that defensive crisis Klopp had a few years ago and sticks around after being asked to dumpster dive for reinforcements.
It is really hard to argue against Pep.
Only 3 seasons since starting his managerial career he hasn‘t won the league. And in these 3 seasons his rivals had to play record seasons to win the title over him. Real 100pts, Liverpool 97 pts.
One big argument against Pep is obv. that he is a cheating cnut.