At least that back 3 will know each other inside out.
Kim Min-jae | signed for Bayern
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If you're talking about Il Mattino themselves, then they're quite unreliable, and the only thing we should really take away from their recent reports is that United might be interested in Kim Min-Jae. When it comes to mufcMPB's Tweet, he tends to post fake news, and he's probably posted that regarding Kim, so we shouldn't take that seriously.
Hes good on the ball, he's not Martinez level or VVD, but he's much better than Varane. He's comfortable passing short and long and through the lines. He also is quite good at bringing the ball out of defence too, he is better on the ball than Maguire.
I say good because I don't think he's on the level of the elite ball players but he's comfortable and so "Good"
Going to sell shirts in Asia etc.
Top top defender.
Top top defender.
No brainer to get him if he is costing 'only' around £42m.
Perfect age profile, being just over 3 and a half years younger than Varane and yet to hit his peak. Better on the ball, more physical and also from what I've seen he appears to be as quick as Varane too. And arguably one of, if not the most important factor in getting him signed is the fact that Varane is injury prone and has to be managed. So whether or not Kim becomes a regular starter from the get-go or not, he will be getting plenty of game-time anyways even if he has to play backup to Varane while he settles in. He can also play as a left centre-back too as he has played there on occasions for Napoli. I know Shaw has been brilliant there but I feel there is a bit of a downgrade when we play Malacia at LB over Shaw. So being able to keep Shaw at LB and playing Kim at LCB in place of Martinez if required is hugely beneficial.
Perfect age profile, being just over 3 and a half years younger than Varane and yet to hit his peak. Better on the ball, more physical and also from what I've seen he appears to be as quick as Varane too. And arguably one of, if not the most important factor in getting him signed is the fact that Varane is injury prone and has to be managed. So whether or not Kim becomes a regular starter from the get-go or not, he will be getting plenty of game-time anyways even if he has to play backup to Varane while he settles in. He can also play as a left centre-back too as he has played there on occasions for Napoli. I know Shaw has been brilliant there but I feel there is a bit of a downgrade when we play Malacia at LB over Shaw. So being able to keep Shaw at LB and playing Kim at LCB in place of Martinez if required is hugely beneficial.
Less than 2 months ago he publicly stated he wanted to play more first team football and would re-evalaute his future in the summer. He's only being featuring recently due to injuries to Varane and Martinez. He's 29 now, so next contract will be his last big one
Would be a very straightforward, quality, common sense signing. Particularly if the presence of a release clause makes getting the deal done quickly and for a reasonable price easier.
Let's wait and see whether more reliable sources start reporting a potential deal over the coming weeks, mind.
Let's wait and see whether more reliable sources start reporting a potential deal over the coming weeks, mind.
Lots of activity in this thread today. As someone who don't know who to trust anymore are there any good sources for these rumours?
Hard to get excited over another centre back until you address the major issue in defence. Martinez looks a good signing, but still can't plug that massive gap.
Oh my!
Which is?
Interesting signing. Looks ridiculously powerful and quick; him and Martinez will be a very aggressive partnership.
I bet a lot of South Koreans are happy; we have a big fanbase over there i believe.
I bet a lot of South Koreans are happy; we have a big fanbase over there i believe.
I think he means the goalkeeper.
two things that really stood out in the compilation video...his strength in the challenge both tackling the ball and physically imposing himself on the player...and for a big lad at 6'3 he's got some pace about him
two things that would be a massive improvement over Maguire
two things that would be a massive improvement over Maguire
Surely Varane and Martinez start next season as a partnership together when fit? Can’t see this lad coming here to be a 3rd centreback especially when he just won Serie A with Napoli as an undisputed starter in that team
Ah yes make sense, good think we're being linked with keepers
Unless ETH wants to revert to a back 3 which explains the Frimpong interest.
I guess it depends on whether he backs himself to win the starting spot.
Also, I think it's quite likely we'll try to limit Varane to one game a week, so if it's anything like this season where we are playing twice a week almost every week they'd basically be alternating game-by-game. Then when Varane inevitably gets injured again Kim would play all games, so over the course of the season he'd likely play more than Varane (albeit Varane would start the season playing the more important games).
The issue there is mentally dividing players into "starters" and "non-starters" in what is more than ever a squad game. The goal is to have more starter quality players than starting places available.
After all, we're looking to match up to this super-dominant City side who last season had Dias, Stones and Laporte (three "starter" quality players for a top side) competing for two spaces. And again this season where Dias, Stones, Laporte, Ake and Akanji have all variously been competing with each other for game time across different competitions.
That's the standard and against it a Martinez, Varane, Kim, Lindelof set would in absolutely no way be overkill, especially when we know Lindelof is a quite firm fourth choice there. They'd get the gametime they deserve across the avalanche of games we face every season and we'd have both depth and actual competition.
We need to see more links to a playmaker CM,however seems very quiet and just hope it doesn't end if we signed Rabiot on free
If we're keeping Dalot and AWB I think this would make sense. If we're planning on selling one of them I think Timber would be a better choice due to his versatility. I don't really know what the right answer is but I don't think we'll have a big enough spend this summer to get a center back and a right back on top of GK, midfielder, and striker.
Even if you do label the new CB as a non-starter I think it's very obvious that Varane's gametime needs managed and with the center backs we have now ETH clearly doesn't trust any of them to deputize for him. Having KMJ (or whoever else) will help us to get more out of Varane in the long run and give the replacement time to bed in rather than be thrown straight in.
Yeah Varane definitely needs to have his minutes managed,so that's why we should sign this guy in that period when this release clause is active
There are none, sadly. The only reason this thread's active is because the unreliable Italian newspapers are pushing out a bunch of stories linking Kim Min-Jae to United.
If true, we look very solid as center back now.
Issue will be, how we offload Maguire. No one is gonna want to pay his 200k a week salary. And will he be prepared to take a cut.
I feel his market value is no more than 10mil.
Issue will be, how we offload Maguire. No one is gonna want to pay his 200k a week salary. And will he be prepared to take a cut.
I feel his market value is no more than 10mil.
thats still a net gain of over 6 million on the books so do it, Sancho though is a bigger problem to move. i also have to eat my own hat if this is true and we have Kim tied up before the window opens.
I dont think thats too high of a wage tbh. Apparently Uniteds wages on all players got cut last season too.
Yep. No centre backs can compensate for his limitations. We have good defenders already.
We actually have a drop in quality at CB when one of Varane/Martinez isn't fit and Varane has fitness concerns.
And as has already been reported, we are looking at goalkeepers
This is all i needed
If he is switching to three. Stansic is a ready made replacement for Pavard. They stil have Mazroui who can play as the Azpicuelta type of cb too. I also expect hin to be more interested in Gvardiol since he would be a direct replacement for the off injured Lucas at left Footed left center half. Than Kim who is a right footer.
True. However they still have Kimpembe who isn't going anywhere and are believed to seriously want to add more top French players to their ranks due a shift in their footballing identity and FFO concerns under The current DOFs advisement. So I'd expect them to be more interested in Jean Claire Todibo and Axel Disasi if they do decide to release Ramos. Especially since they have Danilo Pereira and the emerging Bitshiabu in reserve. The picked up Skrinar simply because he was too good a deal to miss.
The game against Milan was at a point where he was exhausted. He had started almost every game and had to fly to Korea for the national team and if I remember correctly he had to start the game against Milan just a few days after he had arrived in Napoli.
From all the reports i'm seeing this guy might be starting the bournemouth game 
Normally I'd be absolutely delighted with this signing. Probably the breakout cb in world football and I think he and Martinez would be an absolutely dominant cb duo. I'm only a bit concerned due to our issues with FFP and how many positions we actually need to upgrade in the summer. If this is true, ETH definitely has some free transfers lined up, probably for midfield. Rabiot has been linked I know but I think we'll see Tielemans coming in with or without Rabiot. Felt like that was the case for most of the season. I still really like him even if his last few seasons for Leicester haven't been great. Would like to see us use our scouting network a bit also. Even though last summer was relatively successful overall I personally want us to move away from those large fee moves if possible (striker being the exception where we need to spend big).
Since the Kim move would be a release clause, can this be amortised over the length of his contract like normal transfers or does it all come out of this season's budget?
Since the Kim move would be a release clause, can this be amortised over the length of his contract like normal transfers or does it all come out of this season's budget?
If it's a release clause, then it can be amortised over the length of the contract.
If it's a buyout clause then the full amount is included in one financial year for FFP purposes.
The difference is who pays the selling club. Release clause = club pays. Buyout clause = player pays (who in turn gets compensated by the club who signs him).
For United's wage bill, 200k is not too high. But realistically, where does he go?
There will be very few, if any, players getting that much outside of the the biggest 6 clubs in the league.
He would have to take a big paycut. And even then, does anyone want to be the manager who brings in Macguire. He is a meme player at this point, and if it doesn't work, the manager will get the stick for it. Its not worth it for a club.
I think we may be stuck with him, like Phil Jones.
Do we know if the rumoured clause is supposed to be a release clause or a buyout clause?
100% this, to build a seriously challenging squad 2 quality players are need in every position and the 4 lads would all get plenty of playing time. Varane class as he is will be playing once a week at most (when fit). Victor would get lots of game time but he is also a very saleable CB and it could be the clubs last chance to get a 30-40M transfer fee for him and then replaces him with a younger Timber type player. Also big Eric Bailly will be back and no word of any transfer for him yet.
What's your thinking behind that?
Unless there is serious injury to Martinez or Shaw going forward, the logical step would be to cover for Varane. Shaw is a better CB cover than Lindelof is. Relying on Lindelof as your right sided CB cover makes the team much worse overall compared to having a Kim, who suits what we actually need i.e aerially dominant, can press high and cover, proactive and can pass from the back.
If we indeed sign Kim, we are looking at 3 players (Varane,Martinez and Kim) who deserve starting-place. I don't think CB is the position which Eth will rotate , most likely scenario where these 3 would get games would be Varane getting injured and Kim and Martinez starting.
I think it would be a over-kill to keep 4 defenders especially Shaw is playing well in defense too. As you mentioned, I would rather sell Victor and buy a full-back.
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