Khvicha Kvaratskhelia

MadMike said:
Yeah but they are distinct positions, like LWB and RWB. You don't see Amad on the other side, for example. Kvara would come as a LAM. And specifically for the LAM position, yes we are absolutely stacked atm.

Or at least we have enough quality and depth that other positions need prioritising instead of making another LAM a marquee, expensive signing.
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We are most definitely not stacked.

Bruno is struggling in that position and Amorim has played him in CM. Garnacho has shown he cant play there. Mount is always injured.

So there is no actual LAM.
 
romufc said:
We are most definitely not stacked.

Bruno is struggling in that position and Amorim has played him in CM. Garnacho has shown he cant play there. Mount is always injured.

So there is no actual LAM.
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We'll have to agree to disagree.

Bruno's not been struggling. The reason he's started in CM (in literally 2 games btw, vs Arsenal and City) was precisely because of the number of options we had at LAM (where we have given time to Rashford, Garna, Zirkzee, and Mount) comparative to the playmaking CM position. Where Eriksen doesn't have the legs (is also on the way out) and Mainoo hadn't really convinced at all with a very slow start to the season. Because he's more versatile than others, he filled the role in CM when others couldn't be trusted. But he started all other games under Amorim as LAM or RAM.

Also, Garna is 20. Let's give him at least 6-12 months in a new system and under a new manager, before we proclaim certainties like "shown he can't play there".
 
MadMike said:
Yeah but they are distinct positions, like LWB and RWB. You don't see Amad on the other side, for example. Kvara would come as a LAM. And specifically for the LAM position, yes we are absolutely stacked atm.

Or at least we have enough quality and depth that other positions need prioritising instead of making another LAM a marquee, expensive signing.
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I don’t think we are stacked in that position. That’s we were differ in opinion(s). Mount can’t stay fit, I don’t think Bruno has the right qualities to excel there, the less said about Mount the better and Garnacho/Rashford are seemingly not the ideal fit(s) either.

So yeah, we might have “numbers” who can play that role, but long term I doubt any of them will be the answer.

And I do agree that we have other pressing requirements as well (LWB, CM, CF, AM (or LAM to satisfy you) & RWB). Probably in that order of importance (arguably) as well. I never disputed that we have other areas to prior use as well - just the notion that we have “depth” (in quality) there.
 
Scouring through Twitter it seems that PSG is the most likely destination then possibly Liverpool. It seems weird that they'd go for another winger when they already have Salah, Diaz, Gakpo, Jota and Chiesa capable of playing there though?
 
We could definitely do at adding a massive talent like he is, but agree we have other priorities - LWB, CM and striker. I don’t really see Bruno as a CM long term.
 
MaMa given red said:
Scouring through Twitter it seems that PSG is the most likely destination then possibly Liverpool. It seems weird that they'd go for another winger when they already have Salah, Diaz, Gakpo, Jota and Chiesa capable of playing there though?
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They will need a world class forward to replace Salah.
 
Ish said:
I don’t think we are stacked in that position. That’s we were differ in opinion(s). Mount can’t stay fit, I don’t think Bruno has the right qualities to excel there, the less said about Mount the better and Garnacho/Rashford are seemingly not the ideal fit(s) either.

So yeah, we might have “numbers” who can play that role, but long term I doubt any of them will be the answer.

And I do agree that we have other pressing requirements as well (LWB, CM, CF, AM (or LAM to satisfy you) & RWB). Probably in that order of importance (arguably) as well. I never disputed that we have other areas to prior use as well - just the notion that we have “depth” (in quality) there.
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I'm bemused at how you think Bruno (who has played as AM during his whole career with us and been consistently one of our best players) doesn't have the right qualities to play as AM all of a sudden. I think that's the essence of our disagreement, basically.

I think we have a very good, proven, settled LAM who can start every week and we don't have to worry about it. Which gives us time to wait and see how Mount and Garna pan out in the next 6-12 months, before deciding on expensive moves for this position. Plus, we also really need to shift Rashford and Sancho to free up money and squad positions first.
 
We are absolutely not “stacked” in the inside forward positions (either side).

We’ve lost Sancho; Rashford is either leaving now or in the summer; Mount doesn’t exist; Antony isn’t good enough to play and even when he does it’s at wingback.

We’ve got Fernandes, Amad, and Garnacho (him leaving in the summer is a possibility).

Three options for two spots. Far from “stacked”.
 
MadMike said:
We'll have to agree to disagree.

Bruno's not been struggling. The reason he's started in CM (in literally 2 games btw, vs Arsenal and City) was precisely because of the number of options we had at LAM (where we have given time to Rashford, Garna, Zirkzee, and Mount) comparative to the playmaking CM position. Where Eriksen doesn't have the legs (is also on the way out) and Mainoo hadn't really convinced at all with a very slow start to the season. Because he's more versatile than others, he filled the role in CM when others couldn't be trusted. But he started all other games under Amorim as LAM or RAM.

Also, Garna is 20. Let's give him at least 6-12 months in a new system and under a new manager, before we proclaim certainties like "shown he can't play there".
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Ofcourse he has... he has been poor until the Liverpool game. He is also dropped back into CM in more than 2 games when we make changes.

We have given time to all those players and none of them have looked remotely good enough.

I dont need to give Garna 6-12 months, he clearly doesn't have the fundamentals to play in that position, his passing is poor, his hold up is poor, his final ball is poor and his dribbling is poor.

If you want to name names, I can give you names in every other position too, doesn't mean we are stacked.
 
DWelbz19 said:
We are absolutely not “stacked” in the inside forward positions (either side).

We’ve lost Sancho; Rashford is either leaving now or in the summer; Mount doesn’t exist; Antony isn’t good enough to play and even when he does it’s at wingback.

We’ve got Fernandes, Amad, and Garnacho (him leaving in the summer is a possibility).

Three options for two spots. Far from “stacked”.
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yeah we're the opposite of stacked there whatever that the name for that is

shite?
 
MadMike said:
I'm bemused at how you think Bruno (who has played as AM during his whole career with us and been consistently one of our best players) doesn't have the right qualities to play as AM all of a sudden. I think that's the essence of our disagreement, basically.

I think we have a very good, proven, settled LAM who can start every week and we don't have to worry about it. Which gives us time to wait and see how Mount and Garna pan out in the next 6-12 months, before deciding on expensive moves for this position. Plus, we also really need to shift Rashford and Sancho to free up money and squad positions first.
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Yeah, we can definitely agree to disagree re Bruno, but as you yourself have said, the traditional "10/AM" role doesn't really exist in Amorims system, which is the role Bruno has played for most of his career.
romufc said:
Ofcourse he has... he has been poor until the Liverpool game. He is also dropped back into CM in more than 2 games when we make changes.

We have given time to all those players and none of them have looked remotely good enough.

I dont need to give Garna 6-12 months, he clearly doesn't have the fundamentals to play in that position, his passing is poor, his hold up is poor, his final ball is poor and his dribbling is poor.

If you want to name names, I can give you names in every other position too, doesn't mean we are stacked.
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Yep, we're stacked in CM as well, with Ugarte, Mainoo, Casemiro, Eriksen plus some youth in there (& Mount and Bruno being able to be deployed there) as well!
 
Ish said:
Yeah, we can definitely agree to disagree re Bruno, but as you yourself have said, the traditional "10/AM" role doesn't really exist in Amorims system, which is the role Bruno has played for most of his career.

Yep, we're stacked in CM as well, with Ugarte, Mainoo, Casemiro, Eriksen plus some youth in there (& Mount and Bruno being able to be deployed there) as well!
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So in your view, we don't need new signings because we are stacked in every position?

We have 2 LB/LWBs in Malacia / Shaw
2 ST in Hojlund and Zirkzeee.

What you are not looking at is quality, like CM, LWB, LAM, ST, its all poor quality.
 
romufc said:
So in your view, we don't need new signings because we are stacked in every position?

We have 2 LB/LWBs in Malacia / Shaw
2 ST in Hojlund and Zirkzeee.

What you are not looking at is quality, like CM, LWB, LAM, ST, its all poor quality.
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I'm agreeing with you (if you followed my conversation with MadMike as well)
 
People are arguing about whether we need a signing in X position more than Y, but the reality is that we will need signings in all those positions across coming transfer windows.

And while targeting your weakest positions first is a way to prioritise, it isn't the only way. You can also prioritise based on talent available on the market.

In other words if you think you're ultimately going to make signings across all these positions in the next 18 or so months, then which of those areas is the weakest in the short term matters less than which of those areas you can immediately secure premium talent in for the long term.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
They will need a world class forward to replace Salah.
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I actually wouldn’t mind if Pool signed him to replace salah. He’s better off the left and even there doesn’t put up huge numbers like salah does. He would fit better with us, but 60+ million is a lot for someone who only guarantees good ball carrying.
 
sullydnl said:
People are arguing about whether we need a signing in X position more than Y, but the reality is that we will need signings in all those positions across coming transfer windows.

And while targeting your weakest positions first is a way to prioritise, it isn't the only way. You can also prioritise based on talent available on the market.

In other words if you think you're ultimately going to make signings across all these positions in the next 18 or so months, then which of those areas is the weakest in the short term matters less than which of those areas you can immediately secure premium talent in for the long term.
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Spot on. Some signings, when they become available, are just too good to miss out on. Not that I necessarily feel that way about KK, but agree with your point.
 
sullydnl said:
And while targeting your weakest positions first is a way to prioritise, it isn't the only way. You can also prioritise based on talent available on the market.
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Absolutely. If you treat the market based on what you need priority positions in you wouldn’t get too far.
 
sullydnl said:
People are arguing about whether we need a signing in X position more than Y, but the reality is that we will need signings in all those positions across coming transfer windows.

And while targeting your weakest positions first is a way to prioritise, it isn't the only way. You can also prioritise based on talent available on the market.

In other words if you think you're ultimately going to make signings across all these positions in the next 18 or so months, then which of those areas is the weakest in the short term matters less than which of those areas you can immediately secure premium talent in for the long term.
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Added to this, if you can’t get the premier players in the supposed prime positions, you’re shrewder to get those others you need in lesser positions in the interim.

We need a LWB and a striker as priorities, but if the ones we desire aren’t there for the taking, we can’t just sit on our hands doing nothing.
 
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia wants to join PSG and is seduced by the Parisian project, but a possible deal could be complicated. Unless PSG make a big sale this January they don’t plan to spend the € 80M requested by Napoli. PSG & Napoli are in ongoing negotiations to find the best formula for the deal - various formulas such as a loan with option to buy or the inclusion of a player are being studied. PSG could also face competition from English clubs who have more financial flexibility.
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The line out of Italy is Napoli want €80M cash. No player swaps. Their request is non-negotiable
 
MadMike said:
Disagree with the assessment. How you can have watched the game against Liverpool and come up with the assertion that he's pretty awful at LAM is beyond me.

He indeed can't dribble, but not every AM needs to be a dribbler. He has a good shot on him, especially coming from the left, and he scores plenty when in or around the box. He's also our top assister and chance creator and he's more useful up the pitch than deeper in midfield. If we want a more direct dribbler/runner then there's also Garna. I insist that LAM is the last position that needs strengthening atm, considering Mount is also still around and has looked good whenever he's played.

PS. We still also have Sancho on the books until the end of the season and maybe more if Chelsea implode.
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Bruno doesn't have the traits for it. He's rubbish with his back to goal. A good game against Liverpool won't define the issues we face if he plays there for a season. Sancho would actually be perfect for this role, I really think Ten Hag ballsed it up with him.

I don't think Bruno is actually that effective with his shooting or that clinical, and Garnacho can run but he's terrible on the ball. We'd be wise to sell him in the summer and buy a player to rotate Bruno with. Just my two cents, but the left side of our team needs a lot of work and it's not as simple as a new wingback.
 
MadMike said:
There's no 10 role in Amorim's system. There's LAM and RAM. Even if you discount Garna as a LAM (which I don't agree with) there's still Fernandes and Mount. LWB, CM, CF and even GK should be miles ahead as priorities than LAM.
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It's more or less a 10, just inverted. We need players who can take the ball on the half turn and have real technical security. Amad has it, bit we need it on the left too.
 
dubplate warrior said:
It's more or less a 10, just inverted. We need players who can take the ball on the half turn and have real technical security. Amad has it, bit we need it on the left too.
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Which is why I don't think we need a winger. We need a profile like Morgan Gibbs White or Morgan Rodgers in that position.

A dream signing in that position would actually be Musiala, obviously we wont get him but that is the sort of profile we need.
 
giorno said:
The line out of Italy is Napoli want €80M cash. No player swaps. Their request is non-negotiable
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Fair and wouldn't change anything from a United perspective really anyway given they'd be pretty foolish to include Rashford in any actual swap deal. €80M is decent value for him though, for once Napoli being realistic with their asking price if true.

I could see him going to Chelsea - he'd likely be more interested in them than United given they'll probably have CL football next year, and they could do with an upgrade / long-term solution at LW.

Other than them obviously PSG have been linked as well and might be the only other realistic option, the other elite clubs either don't really need him (the Liverpool links don't make a whole lot of sense) or probably can't afford him.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Fair and wouldn't change anything from a United perspective really anyway given they'd be pretty foolish to include Rashford in any actual swap deal. €80M is decent value for him though, for once Napoli being realistic with their asking price if true.

I could see him going to Chelsea - he'd likely be more interested in them than United given they'll probably have CL football next year, and they could do with an upgrade / long-term solution at LW.

Other than them obviously PSG have been linked as well and might be the only other realistic option, the other elite clubs either don't really need him (the Liverpool links don't make a whole lot of sense) or probably can't afford him.
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Chelsea have 2 long term options.

Sancho will be signed this summer for 25m
Murdryk is on a 7 year deal at Chelsea
They will be getting Sterling back in the summer too
 
romufc said:
Chelsea have 2 long term options.

Sancho will be signed this summer for 25m
Murdryk is on a 7 year deal at Chelsea
They will be getting Sterling back in the summer too
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Yeah but none of these are great hence I mentioned upgrading the position.

Chelsea have never been shy about signing new players regardless of how many they already have in the squad in that position and the length of their contracts.

Sancho has been OK but I doubt anyone around the club is seeing him as an obvious starter. Mudryk has been shit and Sterling they're actively trying to get rid of, so it stands to reason they might be looking at the LW position as an area they might look to strengthen.
 
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