I know, another one. 'The half space', get fecked
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia
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"Concrete contact has been made"
I find it hard to believe how some take this seriously.
Some good points. I was comparing him vs Kudus whose numbers are not significantly worse. Latter is also premiership proven and is more versatile and has played as AM before. Maybe lower transfer fee as well (but not certain).
I mean it doesn't say were signing him, but at least it's not pure fiction that we're looking at the possibility"Concrete contact has been made"
I find it hard to believe how some take this seriously.
One out of contract, one looking to be shifted, and the other perpetually injured. You're right, that is stacked. Couldn't possibly improve on that.
I like him as a player, but I think it’s a huge risk that we probably can’t afford to take. It would be way more sensible to spend that money on Mbeumo, a player with more of the physical traits needed in Amorim’s system, who has technical ability and is PL proven. He’s also versatile enough to play in any system under any manager, should we inevitably need to move on from Amorim and be stuck with his style of player, as has happened time and again with this club.
Agree with a lot of this. Anthony was a dribbler in the Dutch league but he can’t deal with the pace of the PL, the defenders are generally quicker and stronger than other leagues in Europe. Kvara is a huge talent and a good deal at the price floating around, but he’s definitely a huge risk, more so than players that have flopped like Sancho and Anthony
Got to be done in January has it? Priority is it? Nah didn’t think so. Drop the sarcasm, no need to be a dick.
We play with 2 tens, they both don’t have to run. They don’t both need the same attributes. It’s called having options.
Watch him play in the UCL vs Liverpool on multiple occasions and you'll probably see why a comparison to Antony against PL level opposition is crazy.
We have them Scotland’s best player, it’s only fair they give us Georgia’s in return.
Nobody said January. We're just objectively not stacked in his position. Is it a priority though? Kind of!
Problem is almost everywhere is a priority.
I don't see it happening, but if this was the one deal we did in Jan, I wouldn't be complaining
Oh I’m not saying he isn’t a better player than Anthony, he obviously is. But they have some similar qualities. I’m saying the risk is greater. Ten Hag knew what Anthony was and couldn’t make it work. For me that was less of a risk at the time because he knew the player well.
Kvara is an exceptional winger but it’s a far greater risk signing a player from Italy, as we’re seeing with Zirkzee. On the other hand, players like McTominay and Smalling can go in the other direction and look far better players because of their physical strengths. There are lots of factors in that, but one has to be the pace and intensity of the league.
I’d be chuffed if we could sign him because I think he could be a phenomenal player for us. But the risk involved should be a factor. I’d have more confidence in Mbeumo at this point, is all I’m saying.
With what is happening regarding Rashford and Garnacho, I just want players that want to be here and to work hard for that shirt
Who wasn't great in Italy by the way, he played well for 6 months
Please don’t post up such things without linkable proof. Not calling you a liar, but it’s bad for the thread if such things get carried away with nothing backing them.
This would be a great signing.
We have more options to play in Kvicha’s positions than at LWB or ST.
Just because you like the specific player doesn’t make it a priority, and just because all players *could* be improved upon doesn’t make them a priority.
It’s about the collective and having a better balance in the squad.
The source is la Repubblica. One of the main Italian newspapers.
That's a valid argument against signing him. Esp for us. And for anyone in EPL.
One has been earmarked as a potential Ballon D’Or winner and the other is Anthony.
I would be interested in hearing what similarities you believe they have because I never thought I would see a day when they would be likened to one another. Even at Anthony’s very best, it was clear he needed an exceptional flanker to “unlock” him. Kvara’s motivation seems to have slumped at Napoli and he has wanted out tor a while. Do you think maybe that slump is leaving an impression on you?
There’s absolutely no question he’s a risk, but that goes for any signing; I don’t think there are many bet your house on signings in the entirety of football at the moment.
Then please source that, rather than word of mouth.
But we are also desperately in need of ball carriers and those who can play in tight spaces whilst bringing others into play, so the profiles we are in need of are broad and very problematic for us.
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Only 26.4% dribble completion (lowest in Serie A).
Putting my muppet hat aside we all know deep down we have no chance at this deal and we need to be prioritising a LWB above all else.
I think it’s a decent fee for him that’s being asked (and suspect he’ll end up leaving for around £60m) but we’re not in any position to compete for him.
Putting my muppet hat aside we all know deep down we have no chance at this deal and we need to be prioritising a LWB above all else.
I think it’s a decent fee for him that’s being asked (and suspect he’ll end up leaving for around £60m) but we’re not in any position to compete for him.
Thats the exact mindset, Manchester United has to steer away from until we are back settled at a good and competitive level. We have limited funds, the notion that there are players out there we should buy, especially such expensive ones, just because the opportunity is there, is crazy. We have to have a plan and we have to be disciplined to execute it. Once we are settled, we can monitor the market for opportunities like that when we have some excess cash lying around. But right now, that would be crazy.
I agree. This kind of money is something, we shouldn't affort ourselves given that we brought ourselves in the position we are in right now, with half the CBs leaving plus half the midfield and winger and striker options questionable at best.
He's a good player, but there is no way we can spend 80m on him. We broke.
I readed the article on the paper edition of Repubblica.
This is the text (in italian):
A far precipitare la situazione di colpo sono stati gli agenti del campione georgiano, che hanno respinto per l’ennesima volta la proposta di rinnovo di Aurelio De Laurentiis (6 milioni netti fino al 2029, comprensivi di bonus) e si sono fatti ambasciatori dell’offerta messa sul tavolo dal Paris Saint Germain per acquistare a titolo definitivo illoro assistito: 45 milioni di euro. A queste condizioni economiche non se ne farà nulla, ovviamente.
And from Gazzetta dello Sport:
Se cessione deve essere, sarà solo per soldi. Diciamo intorno agli 80 milioni (ma anche 75 o 70).
Kvicha + Nuno Mendes would be great and pretty much sort that left side out, though PSG might not play ball if we sign Kvicha over them. We cant sort ST in summer.
I’m comparing the transfer in terms of risk, but in terms of the player strengths and styles, whoscored as the first site I went on comparing the two has them both:
- passing
- long shots
- holding onto the ball
- likes to cut inside
- likes to do lay offs
And I’d argue one of Antony’s strengths before we signed him was dribbling. Kvara is stronger at finishing, dribbling and key passes. But like I said, he is a far better player.
In my opinion, the lack of intensity in that league and the number of talented players that have flopped in the PL makes it a more risky transfer than other options available
That’s an interesting one. I’m sure he’s the most tracked and multiple marked player in that league (and very probably of any player active), so that stat will have pros for the team that need to be factored in too; stopping him is not a 1-man job, thus spaces are open for others to run into as he does his Pied Piper thing.
I don’t know how much of both you have watched at their best, or even worst, but I’d be surprised if your eyes lead you to the same conclusion. If anything, Kvara has Neymaritis in crisis; overplaying and trying to do too much by himself, taking on one (or two) too many when his teams are struggling. Kvara also has no restrictions at all on where he runs because his dribbling is that good. He doesn’t need teammates to play his game or have to wait for any sequential triggers before coming alive. In other words, he is the catalyst that more often sparks things into life and that same set of qualities can lead to cul de saccing or a decision that a lesser player doesn’t have on the table in the first place to mess up. You’d be better off likening elements to the injury free Martial than Anthony, who has always been a system player and a cog who had to wait his turn to be effective. My opinion, of course. Just a very different branch off between the two, from the outset.
Disagree with the assessment. How you can have watched the game against Liverpool and come up with the assertion that he's pretty awful at LAM is beyond me.
He indeed can't dribble, but not every AM needs to be a dribbler. He has a good shot on him, especially coming from the left, and he scores plenty when in or around the box. He's also our top assister and chance creator and he's more useful up the pitch than deeper in midfield. If we want a more direct dribbler/runner then there's also Garna. I insist that LAM is the last position that needs strengthening atm, considering Mount is also still around and has looked good whenever he's played.
PS. We still also have Sancho on the books until the end of the season and maybe more if Chelsea implode.
We can't even pay our best steward 50 quid
“Stacked” in the 10 role in Amorim’s system? Now that’s an interesting take. We need wingbacks, a cm, at least one “10” and a cf tbf.
Let's be honest, these are the type of signings we should avoid... Not that I think it's a feasible transfer anyway. We need hungry players with huge workrate and physical attributes. He would command a big fee and subsequently huge wages - which would likely result in an unmotivated high earner within a few months such is the culture at the club.
There's no 10 role in Amorim's system. There's LAM and RAM. Even if you discount Garna as a LAM (which I don't agree with) there's still Fernandes and Mount. LWB, CM, CF and even GK should be miles ahead as priorities than LAM.
10, AM, LAM, RAM….whatever you wanna call it Mike, that’s what I meant.
Yeah but they are distinct positions, like LWB and RWB. You don't see Amad on the other side, for example. Kvara would come as a LAM. And specifically for the LAM position, yes we are absolutely stacked atm.
Or at least we have enough quality and depth that other positions need prioritising instead of making another LAM a marquee, expensive signing.
Would be a good candidate to wear #7 instead of the man with many maladies.