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Maybe try watching him playWhy does he only have 2 goals zero assists in the CL. Has he had pre assists and had good performances?
Except say against Frankfurt?
Maybe try watching him playWhy does he only have 2 goals zero assists in the CL. Has he had pre assists and had good performances?
Except say against Frankfurt?
I bet you have an alarm every time a City player is mentioned in this place.
Are people genuinely claiming that Mahrez was anything other than exceptional, the season Leicester won the league? He was fantastic creatively and a massive reason that they won the thing. Yes, other teams were below their usual best but his output and influence was still clear to see. If he was playing like that today, in a United shirt, there would be threads in here putting him up there in the bracket just below Mbappe and Haaland.
By the highest standards, Mahrez is average.And you have an alarm every time I post something, my friend. Let's not derail this thread any further.
It's really strange, isn't it? The poster below you even said stats don't matter when stats are literal facts used by football analysts in the modern game. I think they're forgetting how good he was for Leicester in the 15/16 season. Kvaratskhelia is an extraordinary player, alright, but let's not forget he had two goals and four assists in the Russian league before joining Napoli. There is nothing Kvaratskhelia has done that Mahrez hasn't, he just has the age on his side and his potential is way higher than Mahrez ever had.
Kvaratskhelia is arguably a top 5 player in the world right now so.....Mahrez was a top 10 player in the world in 15/16.
By the highest standards, Mahrez is average.
PS: no 'analyst' uses just goals and assists in the ridiculously basic way you have to determine the quality of a player. If you're gonna use stats you have to consider everything.
What I also said is 'stats won't help you' meaning the two stats you have provided, not 'stats don't matter'. They do, but not in the way that people try to claim they do (ie quoting goal and assist numbers to prove that one player is better than another). There's like a thousand more statistical measures.
Maybe try watching him play
So was Jamie Vardy, according to the Ballon D'Or voting. Does that mean that peak Vardy is better than current Victor Osimhen? After all, Vardy scored 24 goals in a much stronger league than Osimhen, who has only 21 goals so far in pathetically weak Serie A....Mahrez was a top 10 player in the world in 15/16.
Mahrez was very good in that single season for Leicester. No one is disputing that. But overall, he's not that good, by the standards of the top players in the world. It's pretty simple really. No need for you to tie yourself up in knots about it.I don't even know what to respond to the bolded part, but that is a frightening opinion. We're also talking about peak Mahrez, not 32 year old Mahrez.
Of course they don't, but these two stats are the most commonly used when debating on this forum. You don't talk about Messi's expected long balls per 90 to determine his quality here, do you? I don't need to consider every stat there is to determine whether a player is good enough or not, and by your logic you need to analyse Kvaratskhelia's statistics in order for him to be a great player. My guess is that you've not even watched 10 of Napoli's games this season, but a bunch of compilations and his stats. And again, whatever Kvaratskhelia has done so far, Mahrez did in 15/16 season, but at the time Mahrez was much older than Kvara so it's not as impressive to some.
? That's wrong, he has 4 assists in the CL..Why does he only have 2 goals zero assists in the CL. Has he had pre assists and had good performances?
Except say against Frankfurt?
I'm sure TAA still has nightmares about it now....? That's wrong, he has 4 assists in the CL..
For sure it can't be zero, everyone should remember when he toyed TAA and Joe Gomez before assisting Gio Simeone.. That was one of the best individual play of the season..
So was Jamie Vardy, according to the Ballon D'Or voting. Does that mean that peak Vardy is better than current Victor Osimhen? After all, Vardy scored 24 goals in a much stronger league than Osimhen, who has only 21 goals so far in pathetically weak Serie A....
Peak @zaafi logic
Mahrez was very good in that single season for Leicester. No one is disputing that. But overall, he's not that good, by the standards of the top players in the world. It's pretty simple really. No need for you to tie yourself up in knots about it.
Pretty much every single player you've named there is better than Mahrez. There's a couple of dodgy ones (e.g. Coutinho) where you could make an argument for Mahrez.Vardy wasn't a top 10 player at all. Mahrez, however, was. It seems you've forgotten the amount of world class players that was around during 2015-16 season. The difference in quality then and now is massive. Messi is worse, Ronaldo is in Saudi-Arabia, Neymar is worse, then there is Kroos, Bale, Hazard, Suarez, Muller, Lewandowski, Benzema, Agüero, Alexis Sanchez, De Bruyne, Lahm, Busquets, Özil, Griezmann, David Silva, Modric, Ramos, Di Maria, Coutinho, Reus etc. There are just so many more world class players in that season than there is today. All of these players have either retired or aged and become worse.
He was world class, not very good. So yeah, you're disputing it. Oh, "it's pretty simple", huh? Well, it all makes sense now with your reasonable argumentation Let me ask you something. If Kvaratskhelia broke through in 2015, would you still put him as top 5 in the world?
Why does he only have 2 goals zero assists in the CL. Has he had pre assists and had good performances?
Except say against Frankfurt?
No...I don't even know what to respond to the bolded part, but that is a frightening opinion. We're also talking about peak Mahrez, not 32 year old Mahrez.
Of course they don't, but these two stats are the most commonly used when debating on this forum. You don't talk about Messi's expected long balls per 90 to determine his quality here, do you? I don't need to consider every stat there is to determine whether a player is good enough or not, and by your logic you need to analyse Kvaratskhelia's statistics in order for him to be a great player. My guess is that you've not even watched 10 of Napoli's games this season, but a bunch of compilations and his stats. And again, whatever Kvaratskhelia has done so far, Mahrez did in 15/16 season, but at the time Mahrez was much older than Kvara so it's not as impressive to some.
So was Jamie Vardy, according to the Ballon D'Or voting. Does that mean that peak Vardy is better than current Victor Osimhen? After all, Vardy scored 24 goals in a much stronger league than Osimhen, who has only 21 goals so far in pathetically weak Serie A....
Peak @zaafi logic
I never mentioned Vardy or Ballon D’Or voting. I don’t know if peak Vardy was better than current Osimhen, nor if Kvara is better than Mahrez was. I’ve watched Napoli like 5 times.So was Jamie Vardy, according to the Ballon D'Or voting. Does that mean that peak Vardy is better than current Victor Osimhen? After all, Vardy scored 24 goals in a much stronger league than Osimhen, who has only 21 goals so far in pathetically weak Serie A....
Peak @zaafi logic
No...
Just no.
And for interest's sake, you should take a gander at Mahrez threads on here from the time period. He was rated - and I'll have posts in the affirmative of that - but to a degree and with regard to the [weak] season it was.
Kvaratskhelia also has the CL before the expansiveness of his game over Mahrez's is factored in.
Serie A has 3 CL QF this season - it's the worst time to be calling the league weak, especially in comparison to the season when Leicester won the PL, which, as amazing a feat as it was, was an absolute nadir for big club quality this millennium.I agree it was a weak season, but if you're going to judge Mahrez in regards to that, the same should be applied to Kvaratskhelia and the frequently weak opposition he faces. I'm not downplaying his abilities or anything, I love Khvicha and would be thrilled if he signed for us along with Osimhen.
The CL point is fair but Mahrez following season with Leicester in the CL, he had 4 goals and 2 assists which is the amount of goal points Kvara currently is on.
If that's what you thought from watching him then fair enough. I'd disagree, I think there were easily 10 better players at that time but that's just my opinion from watching him and others. At least you haven't just presented his goals and assists for that year as proof that he's better than someone else.I never mentioned Vardy or Ballon D’Or voting. I don’t know if peak Vardy was better than current Osimhen, nor if Kvara is better than Mahrez was. I’ve watched Napoli like 5 times.
I do know what I was thinking of Mahrez at the time - that he’s a top 10 player in the world.
You're doing it again. A player can have less goals and less assists than another and still be a better player. You have to judge them based on their entire performances.I agree it was a weak season, but if you're going to judge Mahrez in regards to that, the same should be applied to Kvaratskhelia and the frequently weak opposition he faces. I'm not downplaying his abilities or anything, I love Khvicha and would be thrilled if he signed for us along with Osimhen.
The CL point is fair but Mahrez following season with Leicester in the CL, he had 4 goals and 2 assists which is the amount of goal points Kvara currently is on.
If that's what you thought from watching him then fair enough. I'd disagree, I think there were easily 10 better players at that time but that's just my opinion from watching him and others. At least you haven't just presented his goals and assists for that year as proof that he's better than someone else.
You're doing it again. A player can have less goals and less assists than another and still be a better player. You have to judge them based on their entire performances.
Why does he only have 2 goals zero assists in the CL. Has he had pre assists and had good performances?
Except say against Frankfurt?
Sure those stats are correct? He assisted Simeone against Liverpool and Di Lorenzo against Frankfurt.Why does he only have 2 goals zero assists in the CL. Has he had pre assists and had good performances?
Except say against Frankfurt?
Ermm Mahrez is still world class, he’s competing with 3 others this kvaradona would barely get games for city.
Sure those stats are correct? He assisted Simeone against Liverpool and Di Lorenzo against Frankfurt.
This guy is awesome. Reminds me of a young Ryan Giggs tearing it up. We don't need him, but he's so good I'd love to see us go for him anyway.
Can’t believe some daft sods in here are refusing to acknowledge how special this kid is.
What kind of bad faith reasoning are you trying to introduce here?The Sancho non believers were also daft.
What kind of bad faith reasoning are you trying to introduce here?
Some of Mahrez’s best games for City have been in the Champions League, scored three important goals in semi finals in the past two seasons for example. City just ruin the individual wonder of players, if he went somewhere else he’d be considered one of the best in the league. Hope Kvara never goes to City under Pep.
Yeah cause, you know, Mahrez was world class 6 years ago so.Can’t believe some daft sods in here are refusing to acknowledge how special this kid is.