Keir Starmer Labour Leader

Labour rules out immediately packing Lords with party peers after election
Party’s leader in the Lords dismisses idea that Keir Starmer would rush through dozens of appointments


Labour has ruled out immediately packing the House of Lords with dozens of peers if Keir Starmer wins the next general election.

The Labour leader has already scaled back on his previous pledges to abolish the Lords and replace it with a fully elected second chamber in his first term.


Angela Smith, Labour’s leader in the Lords, said on Monday the party would need to “refresh our numbers” since the Tories have more than 100 peers in the upper chamber than Labour. However, she dismissed the idea that Starmer would rush through the appointment of his own peers after an election win.

Smith told the House magazine: “The idea that Keir Starmer is on day one going to have a list of 100 people to put here is cloud cuckoo … If you look at the numbers at the moment, the Tories have over 100 more than us, and they still lose votes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...tely-packing-lords-party-peers-after-election

So we have gone from reform, to adding new Labour peers, to now keeping the status quo and having a Tory majority in the upper house.

I give up.
 
I keep checking this thread... is there anything left wing about Starmer?
 
Kaos said:
He's named after the founder of the Labour party.
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Hardie was part of the Independent Labour Party, an openly marxist organisation (Marx's son-in-law was there at its founding).

Th eultimnate irony is that had he been alive today, starmer would expel him from labour.
 
Keir Starmer considers scaling back Labour’s £28bn green plans
Labour is considering scaling back ambitious plans to borrow £28bn a year to invest in green jobs and industry amid fears the Conservatives will use the policy as a central line of attack in the general election campaign.

The Guardian understands that Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves will discuss the party’s flagship economic policy next month, with senior Labour figures pushing to drop the £28bn commitment entirely while others want to retain key elements of the plan.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-scaling-back-labour-28bn-pounds-green-plans
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Grown up politics is back!




Labour reportedly considering offshoring asylum seekers’ claims

Labour is reportedly considering a scheme that would see asylum seekers’ claims processed elsewhere.

Keir Starmer is mulling “detailed plans” for an offshoring scheme as he seeks to deter Tory attacks on Labour’s alternative to the Rwanda plan, the Times said on Monday. The Labour leader has previously dismissed the plan to deport people to the African nation as a “gimmick” and made clear his party’s opposition.

However, the shadow home secretary, Yvette Cooper, and shadow immigration minister Stephen Kinnock have reportedly been speaking to asylum experts, former home secretary David Blunkett and other European countries to draw up an alternative proposal to tackle small boats crossings in the Channel.

Under the plan, asylum claims would be processed overseas, with successful applicants allowed to come to the UK.

While explicit backing for an offshoring scheme would mark a significant shift for Labour, Starmer did signal earlier this month that he would not be opposed to considering such an approach.

“Other countries around the world do have schemes where they divert people on the way and process them elsewhere. That’s a different kind of scheme,” he told reporters after a speech in Buckinghamshire. “And, look, I’ll look at any scheme that might work.”

Labour has been contacted for comment about the report, which claims that the party has drawn up “three tests” for the scheme – that it is cost-effective, credible enough to deter migrants and would avoid the legal challenges that have delayed the Rwanda plan.

The prime minister, Rishi Sunak, and the home secretary, James Cleverly, are hoping fresh legislation, now in the Commons, will be enough to revive the flagship policy after it was declared unlawful by the supreme court earlier this year.


A Labour “red line” would be any scheme that would automatically block migrants being granted asylum in the UK, according to the Times, and British officials would be required to be in charge of processing claims.

This is not the first time the party has looked at such an approach.

In the early 2000s, Blunkett and the Tony Blair government were believed to be in talks with Tanzania about the possibility of housing asylum seekers in the country while claims were processed in the UK.

Blunkett told the Times: “What’s absolutely crucial is who is doing the processing and that they’re allowed back into the country. Without it, you’re merely transferring the problem on to somebody else. But if British officials are doing the processing, then you’ve got a scheme that fits with the conventions.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...horing-asylum-seekers-claims?CMP=share_btn_tw
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Labour election win would lift downtrodden UK, Keir Starmer to say
In a speech in the west of England, Labour leader will say he wants British people to believe in politics again

A Labour win at this year’s election will improve the mood of “a downtrodden country”, Keir Starmer will say, as he hopes to inject a note of optimism into what is set to be one of the most bitterly fought campaigns in recent history.

The Labour leader will set out his pitch to voters at a speech in the west of England on Thursday marking the beginning of what Labour believes will be a five-month lead-up to the election.

After a series of policy U-turns which have left many Labour activists dismayed, Starmer will insist that the party will change the country should it return to power, thanks to its commitment to public service.

But as his senior officials rush to finish the party’s manifesto by the end of this month, Starmer will warn his supporters not to hope for the kind of eye-catching policies they have promised in previous years, which he will dismiss as “gesture politics”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...would-lift-downtrodden-uk-keir-starmer-to-say
 
Frosty said:
which he will dismiss as “gesture politics”.
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He’s got the Boris thing of saying something contradictory or simply lying and then moving on as if nothing has happened. Its almost impressive if it was so depressing.
 
Starmer quite rightly taking the stance of fighting political nepotism and cronyism.

Hopefully one of the reporters at this speech asks him which of Wes Streeting's partner, Sue Gray's son and Rachel Reeves' sister was going to play the biggest part in his government's fight.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...0825b4df60dbba#block-65969c158f0825b4df60dbba

Starmer- The first lever that we want to pull, the first place we will go, is growth in our economy because that’s what’s been missing for 14 years. Without growth, we won’t have the money to run our public services … That’s why we’ve put all of our focus on growth and the economy.

So everything in Starmer's missions is wholly dependent on growth - whilst not explaining how growth is going to come about. Maybe a veterinary agreement with the EU? (for the NI Protocol) will give the UK the most sustainable growth in the G7 - really?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...0825b4df60dbba#block-65969c158f0825b4df60dbba

Starmer- The first lever that we want to pull, the first place we will go, is growth in our economy because that’s what’s been missing for 14 years. Without growth, we won’t have the money to run our public services … That’s why we’ve put all of our focus on growth and the economy.

So everything in Starmer's missions is wholly dependent on growth - whilst not explaining how growth is going to come about. Maybe a veterinary agreement with the EU? (for the NI Protocol) will give the UK the most sustainable growth in the G7 - really?
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Baffling that no politician has marketed trickle up economics.
 
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He went from basically appointing himself Cronyfinder General during the speech, to acknowledging that he hasn't bothered looking into Mandelson's links to Epstein in the seven months since it was last brought up to him in the Q&A after it.

Forensic as feck and you haven't even got to bring up the Starmer Party's candidates at the next election including his Shadow Chancellor's sister, his Chief of Staff's son and his Shadow Health Secretary's partner.
 
You don’t realise Starmer is playing 4d chess by going to Murdoch garden parties and dropping all his left wing pledges. He is tricking the right into voting for the Labour Party.

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Labour would also use artificial intelligence to identify absence trends by “joining up existing records for children and improving coordination between education, social care and the wider services that support families”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-absence-in-england-with-home-school-register
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Just meaningless techno bullshit.
 
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With everything that is going on, I decided to listen to today's PMQ. And as a Labour voter, I found it particularly frustrating.
Have to be honest and say that I don't particularly like Starmer as an individual. Yes I do believe he has done a pretty good job in making Labour electable again. But I simply can't take to him as a person. He is never going to be a political heavyweight.
And today, he hardly landed a punch on Sunak despite many opportunities.

He has fallen into the trap of just going for sound bites instead of putting Sunak under sustained pressure.
Very disappointing.
 
Buster15 said:
With everything that is going on, I decided to listen to today's PMQ. And as a Labour voter, I found it particularly frustrating.
Have to be honest and say that I don't particularly like Starmer as an individual. Yes I do believe he has done a pretty good job in making Labour electable again. But I simply can't take to him as a person. He is never going to be a political heavyweight.
And today, he hardly landed a punch on Sunak despite many opportunities.

He has fallen into the trap of just going for sound bites instead of putting Sunak under sustained pressure.
Very disappointing.
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Most media seem to think he destroyed sunak today so maybe your dislike for him is clouding your judgement.
 
Sweet Square said:
You don’t realise Starmer is playing 4d chess by going to Murdoch garden parties and dropping all his left wing pledges. He is tricking the right into voting for the Labour Party.

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Those are objectively bizarre attacks. The sort of attacks that if he had even a barely reasonable relationship with the editor they would not publish. Weirdly enough, Gordon Brown had a good relationship with Paul Dacre of the Daily Mail. The Mail were hostile to the Labour Government, but they never really ran this sort of attack.
 
Buster15 said:
He has fallen into the trap of just going for sound bites instead of putting Sunak under sustained pressure.
Very disappointing.
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This is the warm up stage, Starmer puts the pressure on after the Kick-Off for the GE.
Sunak is doing a fantastic job of sinking his own ship. Starmer is absolutely correct to let him get on with it and not to give the Tories any footholds that might allow even a mild re-balancing of their crumbling act.

Thankfully Starmer is not falling into the the trap of ... "when there is nothing left to say, some fool always says it"
 
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