redjez. jezbollah. won't vote for labour. for years. the lack of irony is troubling.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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keep starmer honest in the short-term. demand something a bit more than "not them" for your vote or you end up voting for no reason in the long term. basically the us system where they vote to keep out the people they hate. there'll always be a bit of that but i tend to still put a lot of emphasis on manifestos in british politics. too far out for labour's? yes and no. wouldn't expect to see it in campaign form but would expect to see skeleton version of it slowly come into being.
Because conservative and neoliberal policies have been enforced by right wing governments. It means we get a political system which serves the affluent, leaving the rest behind and the worst off with no incentive to involve themselves. Starmer isn't as left wing as I'd like, but he's more left wing than the likes of Boris Johnson and Truss.
What does this actually mean in reality? Voting for the Green party? I'm wondering how we keep Starmer humble while the country continues to burn.
i'd imagine that imposing a demand for a green new deal upon labour, and they seem like they could be open to some iteration of that, is exactly how you keep them honest and the exact thing you need to prevent the country from burning.
if labour doesn't offer you an alternative, then by all means vote for the green party, or the lib dems, or a minor independent.
Ok. but then ... There's nothing super special about Starmer or Truss or the current Labour or current Tories, is there? And yet the less privileged in society are as always the ones voting the least. If it's true that you must lead a relatively privileged life to not vote Labour if you're on the left, why are so many poor people not voting?
I don't care. Any lingering taint of Corbyn is death to the party's electoral chances. It had to go.
many people who voted for starmer actually agreed with that assessment. then they, not corbyn, were fecked over. corbyn's most popular policies but not corbyn. that was the general marketing. stalinist purges and breaker of promises. that's been the general performance. if there's in-fighting, it's because starmer has cultivated it post-2019 when he was elected on a mandate to do the exact opposite. what he decided to do, in effect, was to throw the left under a bus and hope they manage to vote for him despite being crippled come next election.
Is that what we're waiting for? A super special Labour party and leader to rear its head? Seems ill-fated.
I feel like I sort of tried to answer that second question already. The least well off live in societies led by the likes of Truss and Johnson who build and maintain unequal systems that keep the elite on top. Poor people therefore feel disenfranchised and don't bother to involve themselves in the political feck pie because they feel like no politician is able to relate to them. Corbyn was the one political leader that actually seemed to give a feck, but I can understand why his image failed to resonate with poor people. Mainstream media has no interest in giving the likes of Corbyn a proper platform, which means his sort are doomed from the start. It's thoroughly depressing.
Poor education, brainwashed by right wing media and disaffected by politics. They don't believe there is anybody out there to represent them. How you represent them I don't know.
Ok, but to me this reads like it conflicts a bit with what you originally said. Poor people vote less regularly because they're disenfranchised, because the system is built in favour of the rich, because they don't buy that one of the parties in a broken system is actually going to fix things, etc. That makes sense to me, sure, but are not several of these points at least partly covered by " refuses to vote for the current Labour party because 'they are just like the Tories'"?
He has been pretty consistent at learning the wrong lessons from New Labour in the past two and a half years.
I think the Labour party will do more for this country than the Tories will, which will have the obvious effect of improving the lives of the worst off. However, I don't expect those struggling the most to have the energy and free time to read manifestos and articles/watch interviews etc to understand why that'd be the case. They've had years of systems serving to make their lives increasingly harder, so it's understandable if they are completely turned off by politics. Mick Lynch seems like the type of person that connects with the none voting working class.
You could have Punch and Judy leading the Labour party right now and they'd have the same lead.
You could have Punch and Judy leading the Labour party right now and they'd have the same lead.
You mean we haven't got Punch and Judy leading Labour... understandable I suppose, Angela tends to keep her (chastising) 'rolling pin' out of sight, especially at party conferences
Sort of plonker who ends up as a universally despised middle manager, as mediocre as they are ambitious.
Tbh the way politics is going this guy could be within a shout of PM with the decade.
I don’t think I’ve ever understand these type of middle management types. It makes sense to go on stage at talk about funding healthcare or trying to make the country more equal, etc. But to get up and slag off another country bid for independence and a better voting system is really wild.
This is a brilliant speech by Starmer.
The clean energy publicly owned company is a very good idea.
The clean energy publicly owned company is a very good idea.
for me this was the standout announcement
Hopefully public ownership of rail, mail and water next
They've already said they're going to re-nationalise the railways I think.
But yeah, hopefully water and mail in time too.
It certainly won't do that at the level of investment they're talking about, would barely move the price. Not that the cost is the primary driver here, this is a direction for decades to come.
Was a good speech - like it
I swear I've never seen his wife before
I swear I've never seen his wife before
Incredibly scenes from labour conference!
The one person who clapped him must have been his partner.
Polls show him doing very well, continuation of the double digit leads vs Boris. Again, no reason to think he can't be PM.
Interesting idea about the renewables company. Ticks a lot of boxes - its green, it saves people money, generates jobs, scratches the public ownership itch - without the mess of actually taking over an existing energy company. As a popular policy I think it'll go down well.
True. It's also a difficult one for the Tories to copy or oppose given their own philosophies, which makes it an idea well-chosen this far from an election. And the more the Tories ask for details or criticise the more they will draw attention to it. A problem for them.
Good speech by Keir, almost gives me hope once again.
It's important now he gets moving with the right pace towards the GE set out Labours stall carefully and gradually, have Truss and co looking over their shoulders as they seek to support the £.
Despite the silly comments from the floor from one delegate, Keir did tell the SNP he wants to be PM of the UK. Therefore, Labour troops now in Scotland have to aim for those who are for the Union... and blow away the Tories into the bargain.
Power and Water effect everyone, so getting them back in Government hands (hopefully) a major move...but not sure about anything else, he knows many want the railways re-nationalised, but does it help everybody? For now, he should stick to those things which touch everybody every day and don't get dragged off 'down a siding' (see what I did there!!)
Labour..'an idea whose time has come' .... (at last)
It's important now he gets moving with the right pace towards the GE set out Labours stall carefully and gradually, have Truss and co looking over their shoulders as they seek to support the £.
Despite the silly comments from the floor from one delegate, Keir did tell the SNP he wants to be PM of the UK. Therefore, Labour troops now in Scotland have to aim for those who are for the Union... and blow away the Tories into the bargain.
Power and Water effect everyone, so getting them back in Government hands (hopefully) a major move...but not sure about anything else, he knows many want the railways re-nationalised, but does it help everybody? For now, he should stick to those things which touch everybody every day and don't get dragged off 'down a siding' (see what I did there!!)
Labour..'an idea whose time has come' .... (at last)
Good speech by Keir, almost gives me hope once again.
It's important now he gets moving with the right pace towards the GE set out Labours stall carefully and gradually, have Truss and co looking over their shoulders as they seek to support the £.
Despite the silly comments from the floor from one delegate, Keir did tell the SNP he wants to be PM of the UK. Therefore, Labour troops now in Scotland have to aim for those who are for the Union... and blow away the Tories into the bargain.
Power and Water effect everyone, so getting them back in Government hands (hopefully) a major move...but not sure about anything else, he knows many want the railways re-nationalised, but does it help everybody? For now, he should stick to those things which touch everybody every day and don't get dragged off 'down a siding' (see what I did there!!)
Labour..'an idea whose time has come' .... (at last)
Wow. I have just looked at all of the posts relating to Keir Starmer speech and amazingly, so far anyway, nothing critical of him or it.
This has to be a first.
Very interesting speech I thought. And it must be difficult to not try to be all things to all people.
This is just the kind of imaginative speech that will, I hope, convince people that he and his party can be seen as electable.
Still as you point out a fair way to go yet.
One thing that really has surpassed me is the level of unity amongst the party. This is absolutely vital to convince people because as we have seen with the Tories, disunity is very bad news.
Incredibly scenes from labour conference!
This should have got more love.
Because no matter who you vote for, you will still be way behind. The end result will be the same
Very impressed with his speech actually and the nationalisation policies are brilliant and something the Tory’s will be unable to copy or rival due to their own ideology.
Momentum gathering and it appears it’s Labours to throw away
Step forward, Rupa Huq.