Keir Starmer Labour Leader

Fluctuation0161 said:
What a legacy to emulate...

Tony Blair blocked ‘OTT’ race equality strategy after Stephen Lawrence murder

Downing Street aides were worried about right-wing press reaction to

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-stephen-lawrence-race-equality-b1983908.html
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It's politics, either you take into account the media and public reactions to things and sometimes do less than the right thing, or you get hammered, lose elections and hand power to people who will basically always do the wrong thing. It's an unsavoury, dirty business, but that's the world we live in.
 
Dobba said:
Using Blackface Baddiel in an attempt to make a point about racism is terrible even for you Sun.

Stick to parroting Guido articles verbatim.
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Ah whataboutism...

But yes the hundreds of Jewish people including badiel who had an issue don't count because... erm... dunno perhaps you can enlighten me

1. They are Jews
2. They dont fit your natiative and they are Jews?
3 Another made up reason because you don't want to admit its because they are Jews?
4. Tony Blair is evil and oooooh Jeremy corbyn... youth quake... Red torys etc etc
and bexause they are jews
 
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sun_tzu said:
Ah whataboutism...

But yes the hundreds of Jewish people including badiel who had an issue don't count because... erm... dunno perhaps you can enlighten me

1. They are Jews
2. They dont fit your natiative and they are Jews?
3 Another made up reason because you don't want to admit its because they are Jews?
4. Tony Blair is evil and oooooh Jeremy corbyn... youth quake... Red torys etc etc
and bexause they are jews
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Did I touch a nerve with the blackface criticism? It's ok sun, whatever you do in private is up to you.

Pretending you give a shit about antisemitism when you constantly spout articles from a website so popular with racists they had to block the word 'Jew' from comments - which just led to the comment makers coming up with Joo Jue and Juu to get around it says it all. fecking pathetic.
 
Dobba said:
Did I touch a nerve with the blackface criticism? It's ok sun, whatever you do in private is up to you.

Pretending you give a shit about antisemitism when you constantly spout articles from a website so popular with racists they had to block the word 'Jew' from comments - which just led to the comment makers coming up with Joo Jue and Juu to get around it says it all. fecking pathetic.
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:lol:
 
Dobba said:
Did I touch a nerve with the blackface criticism? It's ok sun, whatever you do in private is up to you.

Pretending you give a shit about antisemitism when you constantly spout articles from a website so popular with racists they had to block the word 'Jew' from comments - which just led to the comment makers coming up with Joo Jue and Juu to get around it says it all. fecking pathetic.
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Fair comments.
 
sun_tzu said:
Ah whataboutism...
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The irony. 99% of your posts in here are examples of the same.

And good to see you're still actively trying do devalue the charge of antisemitism by insinuating anyone who disagrees with you is one. One could almost be lead to believe that you have a personal interest in "antisemite" being as meaningless and nonsensical as possible.
 
Keir Starmer to miss first PMQs of 2022 after testing positive for Covid again

Because of course it would.
 
Alienating Jews, calling everyone melts and obsession about 20-year old foreign policy decisions have surely had their turn now?

I’m no fan of Starmer but the petulance of those who supported an objectively awful and failed leadership based on nothing other than resentment that he’s clearly doing better than his predecessor is a bit daft.

The irony is deep down these people will hate to see the Tories lose because petty inner factionalism has always been the most important thing. They would take an hundred Tory election wins if they can secure control of the Labour Party and talk about Palestine the “illegal war in Iraq”claim to not be antisemitic but…and cum hands free at their own genius at getting a song going in a crowd of people

The single biggest achievement of the hard left was a general election that the Tories won. Yet they have the gall to insinuate anyone who thinks that’s a bit shit is pro Tory. Sorry but only one side were celebrating the sight of the Tories securing another term in office like their side just won the FA Cup and it wasn’t the ‘Blairites’

Seriously can we talk about how the culmination of that five year period was: Conservatives - largest party. It’s astonishing these people get away with it
 
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stw2022 said:
Alienating Jews, calling everyone melts and obsession about 20-year old foreign policy decisions have surely had their turn now?

I’m no fan of Starmer but the petulance of those who supported an objectively awful and failed leadership based on nothing other than resentment that he’s clearly doing better than his predecessor is a bit daft.

The irony is deep down these people will hate to see the Tories lose because petty inner factionalism has always been the most important thing. They would take an hundred Tory election wins if they can secure control of the Labour Party and talk about Palestine the “illegal war in Iraq”claim to not be antisemitic but…and cum hands free at their own genius at getting a song going in a crowd of people

The single biggest achievement of the hard left was a general election that the Tories won. Yet they have the gall to insinuate anyone who thinks that’s a bit shit is pro Tory. Sorry but only one side were celebrating the sight of the Tories securing another term in office like their side just won the FA Cup and it wasn’t the ‘Blairites’

Seriously can we talk about how the culmination of that five year period was: Conservatives - largest party. It’s astonishing these people get away with it
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This is a post alright.
 
With this guy in charge I'm looking forward to PM Jacob Rees Mogg.

At least the memes will be good.
 
stw2022 said:
Alienating Jews, calling everyone melts and obsession about 20-year old foreign policy decisions have surely had their turn now?

I’m no fan of Starmer but the petulance of those who supported an objectively awful and failed leadership based on nothing other than resentment that he’s clearly doing better than his predecessor is a bit daft.

The irony is deep down these people will hate to see the Tories lose because petty inner factionalism has always been the most important thing. They would take an hundred Tory election wins if they can secure control of the Labour Party and talk about Palestine the “illegal war in Iraq”claim to not be antisemitic but…and cum hands free at their own genius at getting a song going in a crowd of people

The single biggest achievement of the hard left was a general election that the Tories won. Yet they have the gall to insinuate anyone who thinks that’s a bit shit is pro Tory. Sorry but only one side were celebrating the sight of the Tories securing another term in office like their side just won the FA Cup and it wasn’t the ‘Blairites’

Seriously can we talk about how the culmination of that five year period was: Conservatives - largest party. It’s astonishing these people get away with it
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Totally missing the point with this post on all levels. People wanted an alternative. Not the same shit with a different name.

What you call "hard left" is mainstream in most countries in Europe.

The reason the Tories dominate now is largely down to the Brexit election (Starmer was shadow Brexit Secretary) and the below.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...antisemitism-tories-yougov-poll-a9462456.html
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Totally missing the point with this post on all levels. People wanted an alternative. Not the same shit with a different name.

What you call "hard left" is mainstream in most countries in Europe.

The reason the Tories dominate now is largely down to the Brexit election (Starmer was shadow Brexit Secretary) and the below.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...antisemitism-tories-yougov-poll-a9462456.html
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That's irrelevant though. By the same token, what the US call centrist, we'd call pretty hard right.
 
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can my left wing brothers (and sisters) (and the 'others') please just lay off each other for a little bit. now really isnt the time to be bitching, just chillax. watch the show across the road as the nasty party tear themselves to pieces.
 
Superden said:
can my left wing brothers (and sisters) (and the 'others') please just lay off each other for a little bit. now really isnt the time to be bitching, just chillax. watch the show across the road as the nasty party tear themselves to pieces.
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Indeed. Sometimes I think that some Labour supporters are not interested in being in government.
 
Buster15 said:
Indeed. Sometimes I think that some Labour supporters are not interested in being in government.
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Who 'supports' a political party? If they're not just offering me nothing, but policies in direct contradiction to what I support I'm going nowhere near them, regardless of what colour their rosette is.

feck both the lying bastards in charge of the two main political parties in this country.
 
Dobba said:
Who 'supports' a political party? If they're not just offering me nothing, but policies in direct contradiction to what I support I'm going nowhere near them, regardless of what colour their rosette is.

feck both the lying bastards in charge of the two main political parties in this country.
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But which one do you hate the least? whilst we're stuck with FPTP thats the way it is. Something the right wing have always understood far better than the centrist and the left.
 
Superden said:
But which one do you hate the least? whilst we're stuck with FPTP thats the way it is. Something the right wing have always understood far better than the centrist and the left.
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Johnson was a known quantity, a duplicitous wanker who'd say anything to get ahead leading a party that hasn't offered me a policy in my lifetime. Hell being a two faced bumbling twat is his calling card, it's what his supporters like about him and why everyone else cannot stand him.

The knighted republican ran on a series of policies that he had no intention of following through on because he knew the party had people who supported them and ditched the lot. Now he's welcoming absolute pondlife like this Christian fella, who has made a career of voting for every piece of shit legislation ever put in front of him. Just find it utterly bizarre that someone being a liar who'll say anything to get ahead is so appalling when done by a Tory but something we should just ignore when it's done by someone calling himself Labour.
 
Honestly the world could be ending tomorrow and people who still be debating about the labour party. Labour under Starmer isn’t a left wing party let alone a socialist one(It now literally has a red tory as an MP), so if thats your politics it's pretty pointless voting/campaigning for the labour party.

There are plenty of better ways to waste your time in this hell world we are living in.
 
Former North West Durham MP Laura Pidcock quits Labour ruling body with swipe at Keir Starmer

The former Corbynite MP blasted the current Labour leadership

Former North West Durham MP Laura Pidcock has quit Labour's governing body, blasting the party's "lack of vision" under Sir Keir Starmer.

Ms Pidcock, who lost her seat in 2019, accused Sir Keir of making the party a "hostile territory" for thousands of members who joined under Jeremy Corbyn's tenure.

Her decision to quit the National Executive Committee (NEC) comes 24 hours after a motion to have the parliamentary whip reinstated to Mr Corbyn was defeated.

In a 800 word resignation letter, published this evening, Ms Pidcock said: "What I have witnessed on the NEC has been immensely frustrating.

"This leadership is devoid of ideas, lacking vision. I can’t and won’t negotiate with these people anymore.

"The summit of their ideas are just small tweaks to the status quo. They challenge virtually nothing, but are noticeably determined when it comes to rule changes that alienate the left.

"They have demoralised thousands of people who were awakened to politics for the first in their life. I am sure, this is part of their larger strategy."

Ms Pidcock also condemned the admission of former Tory MP Christian Wakeford into the Labour fold.

She said: "To be really honest, the cheering of a Tory MP crossing the floor in the House of Commons, an MP who has voted against everything we believe in, crystallised the deep unease.

"What I immediately felt was pain for all of those who are forced to use food banks, all of those who are going through the punitive ‘social security’ system, for all of the amazing activists protesting against the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill, including Gypsy and Traveller people, who are also at the heart of resisting the racism in this legislation — some of the many reasons why this whooping by elected representatives of my own party, on that day, was so inappropriate and jarring for so many."

A Labour spokesman said: "We thank Laura for her service and respect her decision."
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