Strange reference. OK...Crack on... could do with a laugh
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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Who do you think then... our becky... Angela "scum" reyner... John "fermenting the downfall of capitalism" Mcdonald... or perhaps this lady?
I would have thought Burgon was the least worst option for the left?... which kinda makes me think starmers safe from a meaningful leadership challenge as Burgon is a disaster
Bring on the burgon and let him have his owen smith moment?
Amazing how it has taken the enormously irrelevant Corbyn mentioning Starmer's 10 lies in his speech yesterday, for our world leading free press to utter a word about them.
Could have gone for a safe " thank you coming today, i admire your passion" soundbite
Who do you think then... our becky... Angela "scum" reyner... John "fermenting the downfall of capitalism" Mcdonald... or perhaps this lady?
I'm baffled you think this is some kind of gotcha.
I'm baffled as to who they think from the left is in a position to get enough mps to back them in a leadership challenge as fluctuation seems to think there is going to be one
That is what he said , before Mandelson got his claws into him.
Rayner doubles down on Tory 'scum' comments at Labour conference
Speaks my kind of language. Give her the job
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...erence/ar-AAOPptm?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBoPWjQ
Speaks my kind of language. Give her the job
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...erence/ar-AAOPptm?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBoPWjQ
For anyone interested, James O’Brien did a podcast interview with her and she really opens up quite a bit...
https://uk-podcasts.co.uk/podcast/full-disclosure-with-james-o-brien/angela-rayner
I think of all the candidates that ran last time Starmer would probably come last now if it was an election giving the membership a meaningful say. What the party needs is an actual unifying candidate, not a pretend one. My vote would go to Thornberry probably.
I think she would have been favourite a few years ago at least until she shot herself in the foot via twitter
With david milliband, kahn and Burnham not mps there does seem a lack of viable alternatives at the moment
Thank you. I'll give it a listen.
Labour delegates vote to nationalise energy firms in another big defeat for Keir Starmer
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ationalisation-energy-companies-b1927267.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ationalisation-energy-companies-b1927267.html
Some of the Labour left are as whacky as the Left party in Germany. With this kind of proposals they make themselves unelectable. Despite all of Keir's faults, he is right to fight these currents within Labour.
Who do you think then... our becky... Angela "scum" reyner... John "fermenting the downfall of capitalism" Mcdonald... or perhaps this lady?
I would have thought Burgon was the least worst option for the left?... which kinda makes me think starmers safe from a meaningful leadership challenge as Burgon is a disaster
Bring on the burgon and let him have his owen smith moment?
It's not about division, left vs centre or left vs right. It is about having a coherent vision and a competent leader.
I mean this is from yesterday's news...
"Blow for Starmer as poll shows Labour supporters prefer Andy Burnham as leader
Findings increase pressure on Labour boss as party gathers in Brighton for conference"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-conference-poll-starmer-burnham-b1926650.html
As an aside, Angela Raynor calling an MP scum for making a scumbag move does not exclude her from party leadership, by the way. Can you recall why she made that comment or doesn't Guido cover that part?
True, Starmer would lose a leadership election to anybody. Even a centre left candidate. He has lost all credibility.
Which whacky proposals are you referring to that have been made by the "Labour left"?
Like nationalising energy firms.
Is it really so crazy to nationalize the most important energy firms? Norway's biggest energy producer is Statkraft, literally state power, and it's fully owned by the state. It's the largest producer of renewable energy in Europe. Equinor, previously Statoil (that one isn't so hard to work out), is a large petroleum company, operating 60% of the total production on the Norwegian continental shelf. It's 67% state owned. Norsk Hydro is a large producer of renewable energy (and aluminium), and is 41% state owned.Statnett is the owner and operator of the power grid in Norway, and is obviously fully state owned. There are others as well.
It makes perfect sense for the state to be heavily involved in areas that are so vital to the nation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58699946
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Has Norway nationalised those companies? The answer is no.
It's a huge difference if you talk about companies owned by the state and companies that should be nationalised. The latter is a very expensive move and it is very difficult to pull off. Probably the only viable solution would be to pay off the current owners with a huge sum. Why would you waste public money to make rich people only richer?
It's a huge difference if you talk about companies owned by the state and companies that should be nationalised. The latter is a very expensive move and it is very difficult to pull off. Probably the only viable solution would be to pay off the current owners with a huge sum. Why would you waste public money to make rich people only richer?
How do we nationalise EDF?
I mean they are a key energy producer (about 20% of all uk energy) / are one of the big suppliers to households ... and they are also owned by the French government?
I mean they are a key energy producer (about 20% of all uk energy) / are one of the big suppliers to households ... and they are also owned by the French government?
Norway didn't privatise nearly every asset it owns though. Taking stuff back private is either very expensive or reliant on the company collapsing, eg Railtrack back in the day (and even that caused a shitstorm that brought down Byers, the transport secretary at the time).
EDF is owned by Electricite de France, itself 85% owned by the French government
Exactly... what is the plan for nationalising that... war with France?... ask France nicely to give it to us?
No, that's true. And that's why privatization is such a dangerous thing, because even if it's the wrong decision it's nearly impossible to reverse. You really only ever get it in post-revolutionary countries, and the settled order is always very cross (and sometimes they invade and/or fund a coup).
It should be possible, though. And there's nothing really wrong with a social democratic/socialist party to aspire to have key industries under national control. After all, it happened once, usually.
I think she would have been favourite a few years ago at least until she shot herself in the foot via twitter
With david milliband, kahn and Burnham not mps there does seem a lack of viable alternatives at the moment
Yeah you've said this before. It seems a complete non-entity of a scandal and it's bloody years ago, I think it's a ridiculous reason to rule someone out. I do agree Burnham could be a decent unifying candidate.
Khan would not be though, he's not overly well liked by any segment of the population as far as I can tell. Country is still too racist for a brown PM as well I suspect.
Considering the fact the small privatised energy firms in the UK are currently going bust e.g. Avro. It is a crisis.
For example the UK has one of the lowest Gas storage capacities in Europe. This has led to us feeling the energy crisis much more sharply than other countries and now we have higher prices and a supply problem.
The reason we have the lowest storage? Because the government did not invest in it and private companies wanting to maximise profitability did not invest in gas storage tanks
It seems a more sensible idea every day!
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...eft-britain-exposed-to-winter-gas-price-hikes
I dunno... sunak seems to be favourite to be the next pm
I don't think Conservative members will vote for him to be leader. Due to race.
Well yeah, the Tories could probably get Harold Shipman elected at this point the way they've stitched up the media in fairness. Plus don't forget Sunak is a "good one". Khan is still widely targeted by fake news and slandered on social media, can't see it working out for him. Particularly as a lot of his own party aren't so keen either.
They'll vote for Patel.
Part of me wants Patel to be given all the power she craves until she inadvertently gets herself deported.
I remember when Javid was sacked someone posted on the caf it was because he was brown, and I don't think they were joking. Two mains later they appointed Sunak.
They have had two female leaders too.
I dislike the Tory party intensely, but the left need to be a bit cleverer in how they attack them in my opinion, it can be quite counter-productive otherwise.
They have had two female leaders too.
I dislike the Tory party intensely, but the left need to be a bit cleverer in how they attack them in my opinion, it can be quite counter-productive otherwise.
Someone posting on the Caf is hardly representative of the left's strategy in attacking them, to be fair.
Heil Patel.
I mean the rank and file rather than the leadership. I hope so anyway.
Absolutely. Key industries shouldn't be run for profit. It's amazing people still buy the line that things are always run more efficiently privately. Anyone spouting that should be forced to commute to work on Southern Rail for a year.