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Forgive me if I'm going over old ground.

Saw that programme about Roy Keane the other night.

Although the guy is probably the second worst example to kids (behind Bowyer) in the Premiership, you have to admire his spirit.

The guy is a psychologist's dream.

I doubt there are any other players in the game who would play out there skin to make sure their team makes it to the Champ's League final even though they aren't eligible to play themselves.

I don't understand the guy. Does he play for himself or Man Utd? On one hand, he does this sort of thing and convinces me he's all about his team.

Then he goes and assaults a player and gets sent off with no regard for his team what-so-ever.

I can't figure the guy out. Can any of you?

Would he show the same commitment if he wore a Liverpool shirt week-in, week-out?
 
I too watched the Keane programme for the first time tonight - I admire him enourmously as a great player and a fantastic leader with so much passion for the game it over-flows BUT he has a serious anger and drink problem.

The guys a loony...It would sadden me but not surprise me in the slightest to read of his suicide sometime in the future.
 
Originally posted by ManUtd.USA:
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Why would we want to figure him out, and why the hell would he go to Pool?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You missed the point.
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Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>christ your actually starting to sound like your saying somethinmg good about a united player, hold up, your breaking the dipper guidelines with that post

your dreaming mate, Keane in a liverpool shirt will never ever happen. Hell will freeze over before.</strong><hr></blockquote>

(sigh)

I'm not interested in seeing him in a Liverpool shirt, I'm quite happy with Gerrard ta.

What I mean't was does Keane play for United or does he play for his team or does he play for himself?

If he played for Liverpool, Juventus, Darlington or Ireland ( :p ) would he be the same player he is for united?

For the record, I'm your new-wave dipper. No narrow-minded hatred here.

I admire aspects of Keane's character.

I think Forlan is a top geyser

Old Trafford is a nice stadium

Luke Chadwick is ugly

Rio is not worth £30 million.

These are all facts. I'm not going to pretend otherwise just because I support a different team.
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Originally posted by Keano's Mental Demons:
<strong>Would he show the same commitment if he wore a Liverpool shirt week-in, week-out?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Please someone get the image of Keano in 'that' shirt out of my head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Naw your having us all on, a dipper that likes forlan, WUM alert. :p

anyway, i think the question of "who does keane play for". When he plays for United, i think he plays for the team, but maiunly because he has so much respect for alex. I think if alex wasnt there and keano didnt 'like' the new manager, he'd be mmore inclined to play for himself, maybe.
But then sometimes i hear the thing's he says and i cant help but think he has the whole team's, no matter whether its united or ireland, at heart. Remember 99 when he was booked in the semi's and would miss the final. Just got on with it, made a great perfomance even though he knew it wouldnt benefit him persifically
 
Ah, yes that makes sense.

Roy and Alex are like peas in a pod, right?

What do you reckon Keane will do when he retires?

Has he got the patience or people skills to manage?

TV pundit?

Drunken Tramp?

Trainer?
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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The guys a loony...It would sadden me but not surprise me in the slightest to read of his suicide sometime in the future.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You dont know a fecking thing about roy keane if you think he would commit suicide. roy keane is a fighter and is someone that values his family more than his own life, he would never, ever, hurt his family by doing that no matter how messed up things got for him. Roy keane would never take the easy way out, which is, after all what suicide is. And anyway, roy is nowhere near the nut-job the media like to make him out as, over the last few seasons his temperment has steadily improved, yes, he probably will get sent off again someday, as will other midfielders, the media will make a big song and dance of it on the back page but wont bother with the others because they dont play for man utd. I saw two of the most dispicable tackles by liverpool players recently - one resulting in a sending off, the other the ref didnt see but there was nowhere near the amount of hoopla in the media that would have been dished out had it been roy keane making those tackles.

Marching; that has to be one of the most stupic comments ever posted on here and i offer you this oppertunity to retract it...
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^ I agree, it was a slightly strange comment.
Keano's a very private man, doesn't really socialise with the players, but very much a family man. A lot of stuff about him is speculation by reporters trying to sell their paper, I wouldn't believe too much of what they say.
 
The above comments contain soo much naviety about Keano that there are not even worth talking about.

Possibly the most consistent footballer we have ever had (not the best), so appreciate the man and stick you psycoanalysis up yer hole.
 
Originally posted by Keano's Mental Demons:
<strong>Forgive me if I'm going over old ground.

Saw that programme about Roy Keane the other night.

Although the guy is probably the second worst example to kids (behind Bowyer) in the Premiership, you have to admire his spirit.

The guy is a psychologist's dream.

I doubt there are any other players in the game who would play out there skin to make sure their team makes it to the Champ's League final even though they aren't eligible to play themselves.

I don't understand the guy. Does he play for himself or Man Utd? On one hand, he does this sort of thing and convinces me he's all about his team.

Then he goes and assaults a player and gets sent off with no regard for his team what-so-ever.

I can't figure the guy out. Can any of you?

Would he show the same commitment if he wore a Liverpool shirt week-in, week-out?</strong><hr></blockquote>

would/should any player show the same commitment playing for liverscum.

figure him out at your peril but enjoy his drive and engine for the job on the pitch <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" /> or <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> you decide
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Read the book and saw the program and this man is United through and through . One of the things that stuck in my mind the most that singles him out from a few of the squad that night in the Nou Camp was when he said that we were fecked next season as the passion had gone. This is why SAF sold players like Yorke cause he thought that was it <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
man utd v west brom

Roy keane makes a driving run to the byline and drives the ball into paul scholes who simply deflects in into the net.

Keano is back! keano is back! wo,oh - wo,oh
 
Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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The guys a loony...It would sadden me but not surprise me in the slightest to read of his suicide sometime in the future.</strong><hr></blockquote>

fecking hell marching thats a bit strong in it?

:eek:
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
<strong>I too watched the Keane programme for the first time tonight - I admire him enourmously as a great player and a fantastic leader with so much passion for the game it over-flows BUT he has a serious anger and drink problem.

The guys a loony...It would sadden me but not surprise me in the slightest to read of his suicide sometime in the future.</strong><hr></blockquote>

the drink problem is a thing of the past
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Originally posted by marchingontogether:
<strong>I too watched the Keane programme for the first time tonight - I admire him enourmously as a great player and a fantastic leader with so much passion for the game it over-flows BUT he has a serious anger and drink problem.

The guys a loony...It would sadden me but not surprise me in the slightest to read of his suicide sometime in the future.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The documentary was unofficial, and was little more than a televised edition of a tabloid.

You can't analyse Roy Keane's personality using that trash as a guideline.

He's a happy family man with a desire to win and sometimes his temper gets the better of him.

He doesn't always act sensibly, but there are no grounds for saying he's a loony liable to commit suicide.
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Originally posted by Fitzcarraldo:
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a worse 'example to kids' than Fowler's coke sniffing and Le Saux baiting in a Liverpool shirt?</strong><hr></blockquote>

absolutely.
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Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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fecking hell marching thats a bit strong in it?

:eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>

marcher knows him dont you know?

hes read a book and watched a programme on him
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Originally posted by RUDDY:
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why do you post on here?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because I'm a football fan and this is a football forum.

I'm a Liverpool fan but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in other teams including yours.

It seems to rub people the wrong way that I'm even here at all. A lot of people conclude that if I say something negative about United, however true it may be, its because I'm a WUM.

It's refreshing to overcome your narrow-minded opinion of rival teams because it no longer clouds your judgement of what is good and bad about football.

That is why I post on here.
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Originally posted by Keano's Mental Demons:
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It's refreshing to overcome your narrow-minded opinion of rival teams because it no longer clouds your judgement of what is good and bad about football.

That is why I post on here.</strong><hr></blockquote>

narrow minded

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

nice user name
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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The documentary was unofficial, and was little more than a televised edition of a tabloid.

You can't analyse Roy Keane's personality using that trash as a guideline.

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That's simply not true.

The documentary told it how it is. It gave accounts of both Roy's positives and negatives.

If it was like a tabloid, then why did it leave me with a more favourable impression of the guy than I had before I watched it?

Trash it was not.
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Originally posted by Keano's Mental Demons:
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That's simply not true.

The documentary told it how it is. It gave accounts of both Roy's positives and negatives.

If it was like a tabloid, then why did it leave me with a more favourable impression of the guy than I had before I watched it?

Trash it was not.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It may have given you a more favourable impression of Keane, but it had the opposite effect on others.

It gave Marching the idea that he's a suicidal loony.
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roy's a dedicated but implusive man with a strong if obviously subjective sense of justice and injustice. he does not accept second class treatment, his motto is Fail to Prepare, Prepare to Fail, hence the Irish problem. he's headstrong but that helps make up the Roy Keane "thou shalt not pass" mentality thats won us so many trophies. i think he's also very caring or sir alex wouldnt have given him the captaincy.
thats not psychology, thats maths int it? :)
 
if you read his book its obvious he cares above all for the younger members of the squad, making the right impression on them and giving them the right breeding and education.
hence the fecking irish problem again. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by LenSharkey:
<strong>roy's a dedicated but implusive man with a strong if obviously subjective sense of justice and injustice. he does not accept second class treatment, his motto is Fail to Prepare, Prepare to Fail, hence the Irish problem. he's headstrong but that helps make up the Roy Keane "thou shalt not pass" mentality thats won us so many trophies. i think he's also very caring or sir alex wouldnt have given him the captaincy.
thats not psychology, thats maths int it? :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Thank you LenSharkey, thats probably about as accurate an analysis as I've heard.

FergiesArmy, I've not read the book so do you recommend it? Will it change my opinion of the documentary?
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Originally posted by LenSharkey:
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i think he's also very caring or sir alex wouldnt have given him the captaincy.
thats not psychology, thats maths int it? :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

There was an article maybe two years back that mentioned how well Keano cared for his family and friends back in Cork, he is human, sure he has had his problems, who hasn't ? How many people live a life that can shine pristine under the baiting and scrutiny of the media- not that they would give a true account of it since they deal in caricatures anyway.
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Originally posted by Keano's Mental Demons:
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Thank you LenSharkey, thats probably about as accurate an analysis as I've heard.

FergiesArmy, I've not read the book so do you recommend it? Will it change my opinion of the documentary?</strong><hr></blockquote>

it would change your opinion of the documentary as you will see where every story came from

as for recommending i didnt like it that much

it started off ok but by the end i was sick of keane moaning about people moaning

imo books/videos etc should all be saved for when they have retired
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Originally posted by Gabe:
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There was an article maybe two years back that mentioned how well Keano cared for his family and friends back in Cork, he is human, sure he has had his problems, who hasn't ? How many people live a life that can shine pristine under the baiting and scrutiny of the media- not that they would give a true account of it since they deal in caricatures anyway.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Absolutely. There's no question he has strength of character.
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Theres no need to analyze roy keane, i mean, whats the point? unless your planning on becoming a shrink one day the whole exersize is pointless speculation based on hearsay.

If your interested in football then talk football, but dont start second guessing how a player thinks and runs his life - we know very little about any of this.
 
keane is a professional IMO - nothing more, nothing less.

From my observation he's played his heart out whereever he's been. Even for Ireland he played his heart out - until the incident.

He seems to love football and give respect to the fans, his colleagues, his employers by playing the best to his ability in every game he puts on a football jersey. He has a demented side to him that will continue to hamper his career no doubt. He may have learnt from it, but i feel it will continue to haunt him in his personal life. I agree with march that he may end up committing suicide later in life.

Being at United and with Alex must be a bonus to his life, personally and professionally. He may love this club more than life itself, but i'm very sure he would have played with 110% of his heart anywhere he plays. As I said before, I think Keane is a professional - he's not here to mess about, not here to be a role model, he's here to get a job done. And we are very blessed to have someone like him at OT.
 
Originally posted by zippy:
<strong>Theres no need to analyze roy keane, i mean, whats the point? unless your planning on becoming a shrink one day the whole exersize is pointless speculation based on hearsay.

If your interested in football then talk football, but dont start second guessing how a player thinks and runs his life - we know very little about any of this.</strong><hr></blockquote>

agree with you totally, zippy!
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Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong> I agree with march that he may end up committing suicide later in life.
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Jesus guys, that's a f**king disgraceful thing to say about anyone.
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Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>keane is a professional IMO - nothing more, nothing less.

From my observation he's played his heart out whereever he's been. Even for Ireland he played his heart out - until the incident.

He seems to love football and give respect to the fans, his colleagues, his employers by playing the best to his ability in every game he puts on a football jersey. He has a demented side to him that will continue to hamper his career no doubt. He may have learnt from it, but i feel it will continue to haunt him in his personal life. I agree with march that he may end up committing suicide later in life.

Being at United and with Alex must be a bonus to his life, personally and professionally. He may love this club more than life itself, but i'm very sure he would have played with 110% of his heart anywhere he plays. As I said before, I think Keane is a professional - he's not here to mess about, not here to be a role model, he's here to get a job done. And we are very blessed to have someone like him at OT.</strong><hr></blockquote>

well said, RUnited!! One comment i wish to add is, without Fergie, there is no such Keano today! the faith and trust SAF has on him (like those he put on King Eric). I doubt if Keano can achieve what he has acheived so far with another club TBH. Like you said, we are blessed to have him. And so is he! The Ireland incident is a good example.

We cant praise him more! His professionalism there has cost him his place in the world cup it says alot about this man's character and mental strength really.
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KMD - why don't you defect to us - you know it makes sense. I think you want to come out. Its OK, we understand.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>He has a demented side to him that will continue to hamper his career no doubt. He may have learnt from it, but i feel it will continue to haunt him in his personal life. I agree with march that he may end up committing suicide later in life.</strong><hr></blockquote>


:mad: For feck's sake, he's a physical player with a bad temper that he doesn't always control. I would hardly call him demented. And to predict that he - or anyone- will commit suicide is rather morbid and uncalled-for.
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