Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

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BurgerVan said:
The writing off of Liverpool is ridiculous. They are easily the best side we have faced so far this season, and on a different day with a different ref could have won that game yesterday. They are only 6 points off top 4 with 90 points still to play for.

They are one of only two teams capable of going on a 15-20 game winning streak. I would be staggered if they didn't make top 4.
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They have only won two games so far this season in the league!

The serious injuries to Trent and Diaz will set them back massively. Of all the clubs in the top six they have the most issues by far. They will struggle to finish 6th this year, let alone top four!
 
BurgerVan said:
The writing off of Liverpool is ridiculous. They are easily the best side we have faced so far this season, and on a different day with a different ref could have won that game yesterday. They are only 6 points off top 4 with 90 points still to play for.

They are one of only two teams capable of going on a 15-20 game winning streak. I would be staggered if they didn't make top 4.
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They are 4 points from the relegation zone, why not mention that??
They are closer to be relegated than to be playing in the Champions League next season, and boy are they playing like a relegation zone side.

They simply have no redeemable qualities to their side, VvD since coming back from his long term injury has been utter rubbish, he literally is only playing because of his name, as he is anything but a CB these days, they would be far better off not playing him, but Klopp wouldn't dare do that, so they continue playing him, and shock of all shocks, when they do, they keep on getting beat!

They are not capable of winning back to back games, nevermind 15 or 20, that is utterly laughable, they will certainly struggle to get a Conference place next season, that is the very best that they can hope for.
 
BurgerVan said:
The writing off of Liverpool is ridiculous. They are easily the best side we have faced so far this season, and on a different day with a different ref could have won that game yesterday. They are only 6 points off top 4 with 90 points still to play for.

They are one of only two teams capable of going on a 15-20 game winning streak. I would be staggered if they didn't make top 4.
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Amazed you think they the best team arsenal have played this season. It wasnt that close even with a goal in it. You's over run them 2 half where as against us, you got your pants pulled down at old Trafford and was comfortable at the end.


Or maybe your post is sarcasm
 
Cascarino said:
They will finish top 4
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Don't think so. Without the pace of Diaz they will be too one dimensional even with them they didn't click. Other players dont have the ability to beat the players.

This month alone too many matches they have to overcome. Diaz and Trent Alexander Arnold injury also came at wrong time.
 
BurgerVan said:
The writing off of Liverpool is ridiculous. They are easily the best side we have faced so far this season, and on a different day with a different ref could have won that game yesterday. They are only 6 points off top 4 with 90 points still to play for.

They are one of only two teams capable of going on a 15-20 game winning streak. I would be staggered if they didn't make top 4.
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Well they're going to need to turn things around quickly. City will mark the first quarter of the season. Lose that and they will have 2 wins in 9. Lose that and Chelsea beat Villa, then they'll be 9 points off of top 4 space, with injuries building, confidence low and a system that requires engery levels they haven't seemingly got. Of course, they can still do it but their turn around probably needs to start in the next two games and let's not forget West Ham can be game rising basterds when they want to be.
 
Dave Smith said:
Well they're going to need to turn things around quickly. City will mark the first quarter of the season. Lose that and they will have 2 wins in 9. Lose that and Chelsea beat Villa, then they'll be 9 points off of top 4 space, with injuries building, confidence low and a system that requires engery levels they haven't seemingly got. Of course, they can still do it but their turn around probably needs to start in the next two games and let's not forget West Ham can be game rising basterds when they want to be.
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Very true. But Liverpool (Klopp) finished 21 points ahead of fourth last season despite Keita, Jota and Henderson being injured for most of it. We have to drop from a great, great height to drop out of top four, right?

It's up to other clubs to keep the pressure on and keep us (Klopp) out. Even in Dortmund's worst season under him he made a final push that if he repeats here we'll be 4th.
 
Dave Smith said:
Well they're going to need to turn things around quickly. City will mark the first quarter of the season. Lose that and they will have 2 wins in 9. Lose that and Chelsea beat Villa, then they'll be 9 points off of top 4 space, with injuries building, confidence low and a system that requires engery levels they haven't seemingly got. Of course, they can still do it but their turn around probably needs to start in the next two games and let's not forget West Ham can be game rising basterds when they want to be.
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Teams have figured Klopp defensive structure out. He’s tried 4-4-2, 4-2-4 over the last few games and that’s a bad sign for Liverpool, it shows absolutely no belief in his own tactics never mind the players. It’s always been said that managers suddenly going 5 at the back is the last mark of desperation and that’s not far off imo. I’m giving it 3 games before their back 5 experiment and that’s the start of his death spiral at Liverpool
 
Sassy Colin said:
Who? And why should we believe whatever that is, anyway?
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It is a highly regarded statistics and analytics website about politics, sport and other things.

There’s not really anything to “believe”, other than the fact that Liverpool’s ridiculous consistency for a few years strongly suggests that they will likely still remain competitive for finishing in the top four this season. That doesn’t mean that the chance that they crash, burn and don’t compete is zero.
 
Mike Smalling said:
You still gloss over a lot of their problems here, I feel. Nunez is not very good, Salah is not looking like himself, Henderson looks almost past it, Elliot won't be good enough, etc. Van Dijk is even starting to look vulnerable. I don't think this is a couple of key signings, and they are back to normal - looks more like a 2-3 year rebuild project to me.

I could be wrong, and I wouldn't necessarily put it past Klopp to do a reset with this squad, but top four this season looks very challenging for them.
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Salah is the key one for me. I think Van Dijk will pick back up without getting back to clear #1 CB in the world status, Henderson is done as a starter, Elliot's passing and link play are quite good for a 19 year old, I expect him to be a useful player for them. Nunez will score goals and press and not set up enough of them and be clumsy on the ball. But Salah looks like an average winger all of a sudden and I have no idea if he'll go back to scoring 20+ goals or be a 10-15 goal guy now and that would be a massive setback for them.
 
bringbackbebe said:
They need at least two good quality central midfielders. The center of their midfield looks extremely slow with players way past their expiration date. This is putting a lot of pressure on their defence to cover up & their full backs aren't very good at doing this sort of a thing.
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For sure. Fabinho can sit, Thiago can pass and they desperately need someone who can run and link play (obviously they want Bellingham) and then probably another solid water-carrier type.
 
BurgerVan said:
The writing off of Liverpool is ridiculous. They are easily the best side we have faced so far this season, and on a different day with a different ref could have won that game yesterday. They are only 6 points off top 4 with 90 points still to play for.

They are one of only two teams capable of going on a 15-20 game winning streak. I would be staggered if they didn't make top 4.
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They're looking less and less likely to turn it around, though. With Diaz injured for a very long time, they've lost one of the few players who haven't been awful this season. They've also had a very easy start to the season (on paper, I mean), so it's not as if their fixture list is going to improve. Of the ten games they'll play this season against the current top 5 teams, they've played only two, and they lost both of those. While it is too early for anyone to say that there's no chance Liverpool will recover, nothing currently suggests they will. It would take an enormous turn-around. What signs are there that this would happen?
 
Mane and salah not getting on, sell Mane and give Salah a pay rise, signing Nunez to replace the work rate of Mane and goals, i actually think will be ok but no Mane, they sold cheap and bought high,
 
Dumbstar said:
Very true. But Liverpool (Klopp) finished 21 points ahead of fourth last season despite Keita, Jota and Henderson being injured for most of it. We have to drop from a great, great height to drop out of top four, right?

It's up to other clubs to keep the pressure on and keep us (Klopp) out. Even in Dortmund's worst season under him he made a final push that if he repeats here we'll be 4th.
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That is equally true. The problem however is the loss of Mane. For me, he was the most important part of your forward line but he got sacrificed for Salah who looks half the player without him; although it could be that the pair made a great whole and without the other they're lesser players.

However, there are big issues than just this. Firstly, is that FSG (or Klopp, maybe both, but probably FSG imo) have gambled on the amount of investment they needed to. This has resulted in the squad aging together, which was always dangerous as it meant that your form could dip dramatically. Your play this season has shown this may be an issue. Klopp hasn't changed tactics but rather the players seem incapable of doing what is asked. This has resulted in him making tactical changes which screams of needing to make adjustments due to issues that he sees/not having confidence Plan A can be executed. I get the argument about a hangover but I am not buying this as your lot for the past few years have shown incredible mental focus which is why I am leaning towards the aging issue.

Then there is the injuries and the lasting impacts. VVD for instance hasn't been the same player since his injury and history suggests that he won't get back to that form after such an amount of time when a ACL is what appears to have caused it. Then there is Dias who is currently your best offensive player. He isn't back until Dec/Jan at the earliest and without him questions have to be had about how your press is going to hold up considering this has already dropped off and he has been your best player at doing this in the front three; pressing from the front, let us not forget is one of Klopps key strategies, let us not forget.

Obviously writing you completely off isn't wise but you're equally displaying similar signs to Klopps last season at Dortmund.

As I mentioned earlier, lose against City and Chelsea win this weekend and you're 9 points off 4th. That looks likely; although you may be able to catch City out if you start fast against them as they do seem gettable at the back. Fair enough there is a lot of football to be played still but for me if that stretches to 10+ points within the next few weeks the task becomes difficult as the pressure will build whilst this season is also coming so thick and fast before the WC, there isn't a chance for you to really reset.

Let's see how this plays out but the turn around needs to happen quickly and dramatically.
 
Glorio said:
Wow... Diaz out long term?? Not going great for them at the mo
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Diaz has been their only bright spark this season with the seeming ability to pull something from nothing. Their attackers now are: Salah, Firmino, Nunez, Jota & that kid Carvalho. With Salah cut out, not sure who's going to feed Firmino/Nunez?
 
bringbackbebe said:
Diaz has been their only bright spark this season with the seeming ability to pull something from nothing. Their attackers now are: Salah, Firmino, Nunez, Jota & that kid Carvalho. With Salah cut out, not sure who's going to feed Firmino/Nunez?
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Firmino’s been clinical and good too to be fair. But yeah others are underperforming
 
ROFLUTION said:
Firmino’s been clinical and good too to be fair. But yeah others are underperforming
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Firmino has always been quality tbf. People forget about him as he did the dirty work for Mane/Salah that he got little credit for. Now that partnership has been broken up he has been able to go centre stage a bit more. He is a bit like their Benzema (although, Benz is better still when compared side to side.)
 
Liverpool are done for finished as a threat for this season, not just for the title, but a top 4 place, the very best that they can hope to achieve is a Conference place in Europe next season, and even then, that will be an extremely fortunate placing for them.

Their players are too old, too knackered, and well just past their use by dates.

Van Dijk is just a terribly poor defender these days, he literally only plays because of his name, if he was any other player, he wouldn't be playing, he is a huge hindrance to them, same for Trent, he can't defend at all.

Their midfield is shot, they have no DM that can protect the shoddy CB's, their wingers are well not a threat, and the less said about Darwin the better.

There needs to be a huge rebuilding job dine there, but without Champions League cash, or even the promise of being able to offer that to prospective players, then they will not push on and be a threat any time soon again.

Their glorious era is over with one* (you have to put it to one side due to the circumstances in which it was played under) League title and a Champions League win, that is it, Klopp will go down as a failure, as he failed to win more during his time there.
Houilier won more than he did, so I don't get all of this hero worshipping over Klopp.

Ole finished above him, so that shows how good Klopp as a manager with the "Best Premier League side ever!!" as some have very laughably categorised this Liverpool side under Klopp.

This season will be one where Liverpool will struggle to get above 9th or 10th, they are just a really poor side, with no real redeeming quality players to save them.
 
MUW4Eva said:
Liverpool are done for finished as a threat for this season, not just for the title, but a top 4 place, the very best that they can hope to achieve is a Conference place in Europe next season, and even then, that will be an extremely fortunate placing for them.

Their players are too old, too knackered, and well just past their use by dates.

Van Dijk is just a terribly poor defender these days, he literally only plays because of his name, if he was any other player, he wouldn't be playing, he is a huge hindrance to them, same for Trent, he can't defend at all.

Their midfield is shot, they have no DM that can protect the shoddy CB's, their wingers are well not a threat, and the less said about Darwin the better.

There needs to be a huge rebuilding job dine there, but without Champions League cash, or even the promise of being able to offer that to prospective players, then they will not push on and be a threat any time soon again.

Their glorious era is over with one* (you have to put it to one side due to the circumstances in which it was played under) League title and a Champions League win, that is it, Klopp will go down as a failure, as he failed to win more during his time there.
Houilier won more than he did, so I don't get all of this hero worshipping over Klopp.

Ole finished above him, so that shows how good Klopp as a manager with the "Best Premier League side ever!!" as some have very laughably categorised this Liverpool side under Klopp.

This season will be one where Liverpool will struggle to get above 9th or 10th, they are just a really poor side, with no real redeeming quality players to save them.
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This is very over the top.
 
MUW4Eva said:
Liverpool are done for finished as a threat for this season, not just for the title, but a top 4 place, the very best that they can hope to achieve is a Conference place in Europe next season, and even then, that will be an extremely fortunate placing for them.

Their players are too old, too knackered, and well just past their use by dates.

Van Dijk is just a terribly poor defender these days, he literally only plays because of his name, if he was any other player, he wouldn't be playing, he is a huge hindrance to them, same for Trent, he can't defend at all.

Their midfield is shot, they have no DM that can protect the shoddy CB's, their wingers are well not a threat, and the less said about Darwin the better.

There needs to be a huge rebuilding job dine there, but without Champions League cash, or even the promise of being able to offer that to prospective players, then they will not push on and be a threat any time soon again.

Their glorious era is over with one* (you have to put it to one side due to the circumstances in which it was played under) League title and a Champions League win, that is it, Klopp will go down as a failure, as he failed to win more during his time there.
Houilier won more than he did, so I don't get all of this hero worshipping over Klopp.

Ole finished above him, so that shows how good Klopp as a manager with the "Best Premier League side ever!!" as some have very laughably categorised this Liverpool side under Klopp.

This season will be one where Liverpool will struggle to get above 9th or 10th, they are just a really poor side, with no real redeeming quality players to save them.
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This feels extremely over the top. A few months ago they were very close to winning a quad. They've lost one of their best players in Mané, but Klopp is undoubtedly one of the best in the biz and you'd be a fool to rule them out of the race for top 4 less than 10 games in.
 
redcucumber said:
This feels extremely over the top. A few months ago they were very close to winning a quad. They've lost one of their best players in Mané, but Klopp is undoubtedly one of the best in the biz and you'd be a fool to rule them out of the race for top 4 less than 10 games in.
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Please show me a game THIS season (last season is totally irrelevant to this season), where they have played well (apart from when Bournemouth got lost and didn't turn up, and yet Bournemouth are still ahead of them!)....

They are no threat to any serious side wanting to push for any of the European places (Champions League/Europa League/Conference League), their defence is shoddy, their midfield offers no protection to that shoddy defence, and their attending players are not well worth talking about, they are that bad.
They have no-one left that they can sell for big bucks anymore, so not sure where this notion that they are a threat, or we should respect them/fear them, comes from.

This season has shown that they are done for, it was boom or bust last season, and well, it was very much bust, and now they have no way to redeem themselves, their time is very much over as a threat to the top sides.

They need a huge rebuilding job, from defence, to midfield and to their attackers, as they are all not effective at all in what they are supposed to be doing individually, or even as a collective unit.
 
MUW4Eva said:
Please show me a game THIS season (last season is totally irrelevant to this season), where they have played well (apart from when Bournemouth got lost and didn't turn up, and yet Bournemouth are still ahead of them!)....

They are no threat to any serious side wanting to push for any of the European places (Champions League/Europa League/Conference League), their defence is shoddy, their midfield offers no protection to that shoddy defence, and their attending players are not well worth talking about, they are that bad.
They have no-one left that they can sell for big bucks anymore, so not sure where this notion that they are a threat, or we should respect them/fear them, comes from.

This season has shown that they are done for, it was boom or bust last season, and well, it was very much bust, and now they have no way to redeem themselves, their time is very much over as a threat to the top sides.

They need a huge rebuilding job, from defence, to midfield and to their attackers, as they are all not effective at all in what they are supposed to be doing individually, or even as a collective unit.
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Klopp famously gets his teams performing to above and beyond the sum of their parts. He is their silver bullet which is impossible to account for. So far this season, yeah, they generally look useless. But they had half a season a couple of years back where they lost a record amount of home games in a row and looked dead and buried for top 4, only to secure it on the last day from a last minute winner (from fecking Allisson) after completely reversing their form and winning most of their games. Would it be completely shocking for Fabinho, van Dijk, Robertson, and Salah to regain some form? Obviously not.

Their team looks bereft of anything positive at the moment but if Klopp manages to sort out the psychological side of things, they are definitely a threat for top 4. That's still a hilariously massive drop-off from where they were a couple of months ago and they definitely need a major rebuild (which I doubt they'll be able to finance) but you just never know with Klopp.
 
MUW4Eva said:
How so, please explain how it is, or where I have gone wrong....
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To start at the top, the title is probably gone for them, yes. However, Liverpool are definitely not out of the top 4 race. Not yet anyway. Also, Klopp will most certainly not go down as a failure. Just speaking from my own lifetime, he has built the best Liverpool side I have ever seen. He has won them that elusive Premier League title. That is instant legend status in the eyes of Liverpool fans. Any talk of an asterisk, although funny at the time, is complete nonsense. They were comfortably the best side in the country that season.

Ole finishing above Liverpool was nice and all but rightly proves very little in the context of how Klopp is perceived. After all, a combination of Gérard Houllier and Phil Thompson finished above Fergie in 02/03.

I agree with you in the sense that any talk of them being the best Premier League side ever is just plain wrong. However, that shouldn't be used as a springboard for bitterness and completely exaggerating how bad they are, or belittling their previous performance levels. Again, the idea of Liverpool struggling to finish above 9th or 10th is just hyperbole to me. It's a game of opinions though and who knows, maybe you'll be proved right.

PS: I feel as if I need a long soak after typing that post. The uncomfortable position of defending Liverpool does not go down well with me.
 
redcucumber said:
Klopp famously gets his teams performing to above and beyond the sum of their parts. He is their silver bullet which is impossible to account for. So far this season, yeah, they generally look useless. But they had half a season a couple of years back where they lost a record amount of home games in a row and looked dead and buried for top 4, only to secure it on the last day from a last minute winner (from fecking Allisson) after completely reversing their form and winning most of their games. Would it be completely shocking for Fabinho, van Dijk, Robertson, and Salah to regain some form? Obviously not.

Their team looks bereft of anything positive at the moment but if Klopp manages to sort out the psychological side of things, they are definitely a threat for top 4. That's still a hilariously massive drop-off from where they were a couple of months ago and they definitely need a major rebuild (which I doubt they'll be able to finance) but you just never know with Klopp.
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The mere fact that you are talking about a goalkeeper scoring such a crucial/critical goal just shows how incredibly unlikely it will be for that situation to repeat itself once again.

They are done for, and no amount of Klopp talks will change the mere fact that van Dijk is simply not the defender he was before he got his long term injury.

If any other player was playing as poorly as he was, then they would be dropped, but because people are thinking he us still the player he was before his long term injury, then he gets a free pass, and he gets to play.

I am delighted from our perspective that van Dijk still plays for them, as the more often that he does, the more likely it is that they will drop points, so I say please by all means carry on doing so!!

Their players just look out of ideas, and the mere fact that their main striker is Darwin says it all, he is hopeless.

If we say that Arsenal/City/ourselves will take up 3 of the top four places, then that leaves Chelsea/Spurs and I would include Newcastle fighting for the other spot, no way are Liverpool getting close to finishing close to, or above any of those sides, they simply are not good enough to do so.
 
MUW4Eva said:
Liverpool are done for finished as a threat for this season, not just for the title, but a top 4 place, the very best that they can hope to achieve is a Conference place in Europe next season, and even then, that will be an extremely fortunate placing for them.

Their players are too old, too knackered, and well just past their use by dates.

Van Dijk is just a terribly poor defender these days, he literally only plays because of his name, if he was any other player, he wouldn't be playing, he is a huge hindrance to them, same for Trent, he can't defend at all.

Their midfield is shot, they have no DM that can protect the shoddy CB's, their wingers are well not a threat, and the less said about Darwin the better.

There needs to be a huge rebuilding job dine there, but without Champions League cash, or even the promise of being able to offer that to prospective players, then they will not push on and be a threat any time soon again.

Their glorious era is over with one* (you have to put it to one side due to the circumstances in which it was played under) League title and a Champions League win, that is it, Klopp will go down as a failure, as he failed to win more during his time there.
Houilier won more than he did, so I don't get all of this hero worshipping over Klopp.

Ole finished above him, so that shows how good Klopp as a manager with the "Best Premier League side ever!!" as some have very laughably categorised this Liverpool side under Klopp.

This season will be one where Liverpool will struggle to get above 9th or 10th, they are just a really poor side, with no real redeeming quality players to save them.
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1. They are definitely not out of the top 4 race, but need to start winning soon as anything above 9 pts becomes very difficult to overturn.
2. VVD is not terribly poor, he's just not what he once was.
3. They have Fabinho, without seeing him much this season he's definitely still a top DM.
4. Klopp is an excellent manager, let's be real.

The title is gone for them but under Klopp they have in past put together a 10-15 game win streak. If they do anything like that then I expect them to be in the top 4. I dislike them and their fans as much as anyone but let's at least be honest.

Confidence and belief are absolutely huge at this level. It's what Arsenal this year as opposed to in the past. Missing out as they did last season definitely took it's toll but I expect that once they get a couple of good performances in they will go on a run and the doomsday scenario you describe will (sadly) be wide of the reality.
 
Remember the geese said:
To start at the top, the title is probably gone for them, yes. However, Liverpool are definitely not out of the top 4 race. Not yet anyway. Also, Klopp will most certainly not go down as a failure. Just speaking from my own lifetime, he has built the best Liverpool side I have ever seen. He has won them that elusive Premier League title. That is instant legend status in the eyes of Liverpool fans. Any talk of an asterisk, although funny at the time, is complete nonsense. They were comfortably the best side in the country that season.

Ole finishing above Liverpool was nice and all but rightly proves very little in the context of how Klopp is perceived. After all, a combination of Gérard Houllier and Phil Thompson finished above Fergie in 02/03.

I agree with you in the sense that any talk of them being the best Premier League side ever is just plain wrong. However, that shouldn't be used as a springboard for bitterness and completely exaggerating how bad they are, or belittling their previous performance levels. Again, the idea of Liverpool struggling to finish above 9th or 10th is just hyperbole to me. It's a game of opinions though and who knows, maybe you'll be proved right.

PS: I feel as if I need a long soak after typing that post. The uncomfortable position of defending Liverpool does not go down well with me.
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Their *title* was in a period where people were thinking about anything but football, about just waking up and being alive, and having family members not be dead especially older ones, so yeah, their *title* does have to be put to one side, as it isn't a proper league win, not like the other league titles that have been won by other clubs.

Rafa achieved more and so did Houllier, no doubt about that, Houllier won three trophies in one season!
What is the most that Klopp has won in a season?? 1 isn't it?? Hardly that impressive a feat.

Klopp is just soooo overhyped, his time at Dortmund was far more impressive than his time at Liverpool.
He has spent the GDP of a country to what, to win one cup under normal circumstances??

Sorry, but that isn't good enough to be put alongside Rafa or Houllier.

This season they have run out of steam, it was boom or bust, last season, and thankfully it was bust, and now they are paying the price for overpaying on Salah's contract (why on earth did they not sell hom when they had the chance??) and undercutting on Mane's contract, and have paid out far too much money on Darwin.

Their style has changed to accommodate Darwin, and it has backfired hugely on them.

No chance, zero, nada, zip, that they push for a top 4 place this season, as the sides above them, are just far superior to them.
 
So much nonsense, give it a rest. When people on here are having to defend Liverpool and Klopp you know you've gone off the deep end. Rafa and Houllier better than Klopp :lol:
 
MUFC OK said:
1. They are definitely not out of the top 4 race, but need to start winning soon as anything above 9 pts becomes very difficult to overturn.
2. VVD is not terribly poor, he's just not what he once was.
3. They have Fabinho, without seeing him much this season he's definitely still a top DM.
4. Klopp is an excellent manager, let's be real.

The title is gone for them but under Klopp they have in past put together a 10-15 game win streak. If they do anything like that then I expect them to be in the top 4. I dislike them and their fans as much as anyone but let's at least be honest.

Confidence and belief are absolutely huge at this level. It's what Arsenal this year as opposed to in the past. Missing out as they did last season definitely took it's toll but I expect that once they get a couple of good performances in they will go on a run and the doomsday scenario you describe will (sadly) be wide of the reality.
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As for your points:-

1) They are out of the top four race the sides above them are just better then them.
Please by all means say who they are better than, if you think that they could finish ahead of Arsenal/City/ourselves/Chelsea/Spurs/Newcastle??
2) That is the point, he is now a shadow of the player he once was, he is a liability for them at the back playing him actually hurts them now.
3) Fabinho isn't a good player anymore, he offers little to no protection to a very fragile defence, hence all of the goals that they have conceded.
4) Klopp was very good, note past tense, of was, all managers have a shelf life, and his has now past.

No chance of them putting a 10-15 game winning steak, please by all means, have a look at their respective fixtures, and point put to me where this could possibly happen, if you honestly believe they can do that....
Please be honest here, their fixtures do no allow for such a run like what you describe.
 
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