Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

acnumber9 said:
And all it cost them to do it was £80m. Or six times what Burnley spent.
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That's incredibly disingenuous considering that pretty much none of his signings made a major contribution to their progress in the 2nd half of the season- Trippier missed all of it, Guimares was injured for most of it and Chris Wood is shite.

Considering that Newcastle had one of the best points returns of any PL team since he took over, he did a remarkable job.
 
Ludens the Red said:
Why did the manager who took his team to all three possible finals and who’s team amassed 92 points in the league, losing just three games all season win the manager of the year award, gee I dunno….
Also Liverpool weren’t the majorities pick for runners up.

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It is a PL award, no? They didn’t win the title and didn’t win against any of the other top 4 sides.
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
That's incredibly disingenuous considering that pretty much none of his signings made a major contribution to their progress in the 2nd half of the season- Trippier missed all of it, Guimares was injured for most of it and Chris Wood is shite.

Considering that Newcastle had one of the best points returns of any PL team since he took over, he did a remarkable job.
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Trippier didn’t miss all of it. He scored two goals in successive wins that gave them a huge boost. Guimares played 17 games and scored five goals so no idea where you get the idea he was injured for most of it. That aside, the physiological boost of big signing was huge. They were just as shit before hand.
 
SilentWitness said:
It is a PL award, no? They didn’t win the title and didn’t win against any of the other top 4 sides.
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Yep.

Then again, as far as I'm concerned it makes much more sense to evaluate a manager's "performance" based on the whole season (all competitions) rather than (artificially, I would say) single out one of them. Part and parcel of a manager's actual task - on a seasonal basis - is to prioritize and get the balance right in terms of the competitions his team/squad competes in.

But, yes - if it's league only, why should Klopp be ranked above Pep? Because his squad is worth less than Pep's according to Transfermarkt? Is that something they take into consideration?

(It's all bollocks anyway).
 
acnumber9 said:
Trippier didn’t miss all of it. He scored two goals in successive wins that gave them a huge boost. Guimares played 17 games and scored five goals so no idea where you get the idea he was injured for most of it. That aside, the physiological boost of big signing was huge. They were just as shit before hand.
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All of it was hyperbole on my part- Trippier played 90 minutes 4 times: that's not a lot.

For Guimares, he played a grand total of 41 minutes across 5 of those 17 games you mentioned. He didn't play much.
 
Steve Bruce said:
It depends on the context. Personally I think Eddie Howe taking what looked like a cert relegated side to being comfortable mid table team was a great feat.

Also the Brentford manager worth a shout as well.

Not to mention Conte taking that spurs side over and turning their season from disaster to being 4th can't be over looked.

Liverpool finishing 2nd isn't anything special. They where 2nd favourites for the title and finished 2nd.

If all trophies are included then this should have been done once the season is over. Having the CL in your cabinet or not is a major difference
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My understanding is that the award is for the Premier League only. In that sense, it should definitely not have been given to Klopp. If it was an award for performance across the board then Klopp is more than worthy, especially if Liverpool win the CL.
 
Remember the geese said:
Chelsea were always wildly overrated. That was obvious at the time.
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Agreed. Pundits get paid for those predictions… United above Liverpool, Liverpool in 4th. feck me.

SilentWitness said:
It is a PL award, no? They didn’t win the title and didn’t win against any of the other top 4 sides.
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It’s presented as one but they definitely consider everything else.
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
All of it was hyperbole on my part- Trippier played 90 minutes 4 times: that's not a lot.

For Guimares, he played a grand total of 41 minutes across 5 of those 17 games you mentioned. He didn't play much.
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Their goals directly contributed a minimum of 7 points. Without them they’d have had less points than they had last season. It’s nonsense to claim their spending didn’t have a huge impact.
 
Andrade said:
Ok, so he doesn't have the resources of City but he has a lot of resources and (now) a very deep squad. He finished second. That's the long and short of it. The only manager who should be getting that award for finishing second is a manager that wasn't expected to finish that high.
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Getting 92 points with Liverpool is much more impressive than getting 93 points with City.

The fact that he did that while potentially winning everything else is phenomenal.
 
Maluco said:
Getting 92 points with Liverpool is much more impressive than getting 93 points with City.

The fact that he did that while potentially winning everything else is phenomenal.
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Getting 92 points is never more impressive than getting 93 points.
 
Andrade said:
Getting 92 points is never more impressive than getting 93 points.
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Thats a load of rubbish. There has to be expectation in football and realistic goals and achievements for teams with different budgets. The fact that Klopp runs a juggernaut like City so close every year is phenomenal work.

West Ham had a good league season, while United had a terrible one. To just disregard it and act like everyone is on a level playing field is ridiculous.
 
Getting 92 points in the league while still competing and WINNING on all other fronts is not an easy task. Nobody had Liverpool anywhere near the title at the start of the season and they were 20 mins away from winning the title against a state-sponsored team with a once in a generation manager like Pep. Klopp has been the best manager this season, even better than Pep and all other managers, and we can all agree to that without being bitter. He won the LMA award as well, voted by fellow managers. So definitely not the populist contest most people are attributing it to.

The mutual respect he shares with Sir Alex makes it all the more depressing, its impossible to hate the man. He would have been PERFECT for us and god knows how we botched it up with the Disney land crap. We just have to sit back and wait for our turn.
 
Maluco said:
Thats a load of rubbish. There has to be expectation in football and realistic goals and achievements for teams with different budgets. The fact that Klopp runs a juggernaut like City so close every year is phenomenal work.

West Ham had a good league season, while United had a terrible one. To just disregard it and act like everyone is on a level playing field is ridiculous.
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Correct. At the start of the season Liverpool had the realistic goal of winning the league. Therefore finishing second with 7 less points than they managed a mere 2 seasons ago was a relative failure and Klopp should not have been the Premier league manager of the season. This award is supposed to be about the Premier League.

Now if David Moyes had finished second on 92 points, he absolutely would deserve the award and then some.
 
acnumber9 said:
Their goals directly contributed a minimum of 7 points. Without them they’d have had less points than they had last season. It’s nonsense to claim their spending didn’t have a huge impact.
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Still need the coaching for it to translate on the pitch. Bruce had a lot more to spend than Rafa and got the same results (which was bizarrely spun as a positive).
 
Dancfc said:
Still need the coaching for it to translate on the pitch. Bruce had a lot more to spend than Rafa and got the same results (which was bizarrely spun as a positive).
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Not sure of its reliability but transfermarkt has Benitez’s spend at £150m against Bruce at £100m. What was weird was why Benitez was adored and Bruce was hated.
 
Andrade said:
Correct. At the start of the season Liverpool had the realistic goal of winning the league. Therefore finishing second with 7 less points than they managed a mere 2 seasons ago was a relative failure and Klopp should not have been the Premier league manager of the season. This award is supposed to be about the Premier League.

Now if David Moyes had finished second on 92 points, he absolutely would deserve the award and then some.
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We will agree to disagree. When you see their net spend side by side with City, Klopp is massively overachieving to get 92 points. The fact he got 99 two seasons ago doesn’t make it any less impressive.

Its simply a more impressive feat than getting a point more with a 1.2 billion pound side.
 
iamking said:
, its impossible to hate the man.
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Completely disagree.




In any case, why are people making out like it is some incredible feat for him to run a ‘juggernaut’ like City close for the title? Are Liverpool not a big team? Do they not have a good squad? He’s obviously a top manager who gets the best out of his players but let’s not be making out that Liverpool are some spunky underdogs.
 
Bobade said:
Completely disagree.




In any case, why are people making out like it is some incredible feat for him to run a ‘juggernaut’ like City close for the title? Are Liverpool not a big team? Do they not have a good squad? He’s obviously a top manager who gets the best out of his players but let’s not be making out that Liverpool are some spunky underdogs.
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How many times did they win the PL before he arrived? How many years were they even true contenders?

I think too many in this thread have their United blinders on. The job he has done at Liverpool is phenomenal whether we like it or not. Playing it down doesn’t hurt any less.
 
Maluco said:
We will agree to disagree. When you see their net spend side by side with City, Klopp is massively overachieving to get 92 points. The fact he got 99 two seasons ago doesn’t make it any less impressive.

Its simply a more impressive feat than getting a point more with a 1.2 billion pound side.
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Yes, we can agree to disagree. I'm not that bothered about net spend to be honest. So they were able to commit daylight robbery on Barcelona with Coutinho and made some other smart moves. Klopp is not actually in charge of the transfers. He apparently wanted Draxler and not Salah.

How much did his squad actually cost? A great deal. How much are their wages? Pretty high. Klopp's done a great job coaching a less expensive (though still very costly) squad but that doesn't mean he deserves to be PL manager of the season for finishing second IMO.
 
Maluco said:
How many times did they win the PL before he arrived? How many years were they even true contenders?

I think too many in this thread have their United blinders on. The job he has done at Liverpool is phenomenal whether we like it or not. Playing it down doesn’t hurt any less.
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I didn't say he hasn't done a phenomenal job though. I called him a top manager. He's one of the best in the world, no denying it. But some seem to be making out like he's done it with a cheap squad at a small club. He's at one of the biggest, richest clubs at the world. He's had big resources, albeit not as much as some. That's the only point I'm making.
 
TheReligion said:
Silly comment. It’s more interesting that Klopp had such respect for Sir Alex that he wants him in that photo.

As usual you get the wrong end of the stick.
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Klopp does think of Fergie as the pope of football.
 
So Klopp doesn't win ONE manager of the month award since last August and they give him the Manager of the season award !!!??

Unbelievable!
 
Ludens the Red said:
Why did the manager who took his team to all three possible finals and who’s team amassed 92 points in the league, losing just three games all season win the manager of the year award, gee I dunno….
Also Liverpool weren’t the majorities pick for runners up.

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Had no idea the PL had finals.
 
Manager of the season for failing to win the league, failing to get a single win against any top 4 opposition, yup totally deserved.
 
christinaa said:
So Klopp doesn't win ONE manager of the month award since last August and they give him the Manager of the season award !!!??

Unbelievable!
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Not far fetched to be honest.

Manager of the month rewards peak performance within a certain month. It's possible to deliver a consistently great performance throughout the season yet be usurped in each month by a different manager.

Now if Pep or Frank had won every "manager of the month" award, it would be unbelievable.

I won't say Klopp isn't deserving. Others are as well too. I'm sure he'd swap this award for the PL title. I'm glad he has to settle for this.
 
christinaa said:
So Klopp doesn't win ONE manager of the month award since last August and they give him the Manager of the season award !!!??

Unbelievable!
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KDB didn't win ONE player of the month award all season yet won player of the season

it happens

IMO it's deserved, what he's done this season in all comps (i know it's the PL award) is much more impressive then what Pep did, hell, Pep nearly bottled the league whilst being 14 points clear ffs
 
Andrade said:
So they were able to commit daylight robbery on Barcelona with Coutinho and made some other smart moves. Klopp is not actually in charge of the transfers. He apparently wanted Draxler and not Salah.
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I've always found it very strange when people say Pool 'were able to commit daylight robbery on Barcelona with Coutinho'......I mean, how does that work? How do you FORCE another club to give you a lot of money for a player? If the potential buyer doesn't like the price quoted they move on, no? And it wasn't exactly free money, Liverpool lost one of their best players when Coutinho buggered off, it weakened them in one area while giving them an opportunity to strengthen in another.....which unfortunately they did, the complete bastards :mad: .....also think it was someone else Klopp wanted instead of Salah, but the shitty transfer committee persuaded him otherwise......the even more complete bastards :mad:

Andrade said:
At the start of the season Liverpool had the realistic goal of winning the league.

Therefore finishing second with 7 less points than they managed a mere 2 seasons ago was a relative failure and Klopp should not have been the Premier league manager of the season. This award is supposed to be about the Premier League.
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No one gave Pool much of chance of winning the league this season - not one of the multitude of pundits on the BBC had them as first - most of them had Pool in 3rd place. The Caf had em in 4th place on average obviously :D, and even Pool's own fans were in the main relieved that they'd somehow scraped top four/champions league via an outrageously unfeasible goalies header towards the end of the previous season. Also VVD was semi crocked and no one knew how he was going to be on his return. To compare that to a season where they got 99 points (while also completely ignoring the clusterfcuk of last season :lol: ) and suggest that this current one is a failure is a bit of a stretch, no?

Andrade said:
Ok, so he doesn't have the resources of City but he has a lot of resources and (now) a very deep squad. He finished second. That's the long and short of it. The only manager who should be getting that award for finishing second is a manager that wasn't expected to finish that high.
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Agreed. PL manager of the season should be the manager who EXCEEDS EXPECTATION. So who do we reckon that is then? Defo not Pep obviously, not Klopp if we reckon second was about what he could expect, not Tuchel because Chelsea were expected to challenge City......maybe Conte for dragging Spurs into that last Champions League spot, considering the position they were in and the competition they were up against?
 
christinaa said:
So Klopp doesn't win ONE manager of the month award since last August and they give him the Manager of the season award !!!??

Unbelievable!
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amolbhatia50k said:
Had no idea the PL had finals.
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Upon consideration and reading between the lines it appears that this award is based upon each individual premier league clubs manager's subjective opinion on who's been the best manager over the whole season ....so this would include ALL competitions I'd suggest. Whether we agree with this 'criteria' is a different matter entirely

Dumbstar said:
These, and pretty much every, footballing awards are shit.
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They certainly are, and will be until United start winning em all again :D

choccy77 said:
Manager of the season for failing to win the league, failing to get a single win against any top 4 opposition, yup totally deserved.
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See above
 
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Not sure how it is so hard to wrap your head around. Think of it as a manager league table; if he finished second every month, he would have the highest average of all managers come the end of the season.
 
Lecland07 said:
Not sure how it is so hard to wrap your head around. Think of it as a manager league table; if he finished second every month, he would have the highest average of all managers come the end of the season.
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Not if Pep is first every month :lol:
 
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