Let’s be honest. He has done amazing with that team and deserves a tanked season without much scrutiny.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Does he? He got off without much scrutiny when he left Dortmund after spending half the season with relegation form, and the reasoning then was because he'd done so well. It's happening all over again at Liverpool, and again it's being ignored.
Those stats are even worse than I thought. Collapse of the century.
Klopp certainly has some high peaks, but damn his lows are bad. It kind of fits his personality, though
No he doesn't, nobody does.
In those home games we’ve only scored four goals as well. That’s a run that goes back months. Kind of weird considering we’ve done ok away from home in the same period.
He does have a lot of credit in the bank though. We’re not a club that has been regularly successful over the past 30 years so he’s being measured against standards he’s lifted the club to since 2018. Feels like an important summer but it’ll help having Gomez and Van Dijk back, along side Matip and Konate as well. We’ll probably see a younger replacement for Wijnaldum come in and at least one attacking player. I think Firmino is done.
If we go into next season in a similar run of form then questions will be asked and maybe his run with us will be up.
Yes. As much as I can't stand him and them, they're missing the world's best defender and had to rejig the team accordingly.
"But that shouldn't explain such a spectacular collapse." Fair but he has won a Champion's League and their first ever Premier League with a 99 point season. That buys you time. Plus I think they get top 4 with their fixture list compared to Chelsea's.
If we beat the scousers there's no way in hell they're getting top4.
Even if Chelsea collapse and lose 7-8 points in 4 games to Liverpool, I doubt both West Ham and Everton will lose 4 considering their games. Even Tottenham will have to lose 2 points and GD. That's expecting Liverpool win all 4 remaining games too..
Can we please not jinx this more than necessarry?
Said on match of the day that the disallowed goal for Newcastle today was ‘the first present he can remember getting from VAR’
I'm the manager of a business (I'm not really, but let's say) and I push my employees to work harder than union regulations allow. For a couple of years, production and profits soar as staff puts in twelve-hour shifts at my command. Then they burn out, one after another, and go on sick leave with work-related stress or apply for other jobs where they aren't being pushed beyond reasonable expectations. Eventually the whole thing implodes and everything comes tumbling down, and the owner tosses me out because I seriously jeopardized the long-term sustainability of the business. Point in case: Dortmund haven't exactly been succesful since their collapse under Klopp, and perhaps Liverpool are facing the same fate.
I wouldn't be remembered as a good manager.
If before and after that guy came those businesses had been in the doldrums for a decade or more you'd be remembered pretty well!
There was no wind, no rain, no snow, no fog, VAR went their way, Alisson's feet weren't cold, Man Utd weren't given any penalties and Gary Neville wasn't being a big meanie about their club song before the match.
This kills the Klopp
But the sun was out and there were shadows in some areas of the ground.
VAR disallowing the Newcastle goal took the rhythm out of the added time.
I'm not saying they should sack him, I'm saying it's joke that there's been almost no analysis of their collapse this season, particularly when it's so similar to what happened with Klopp's Dortmund.
If anything, the previous success should open him up to more scrutiny as this season is so bad in comparison.
Everybody is happy with the reason that there been a lott of injuries in the defence. No need to look in to it deeper.... I'm not so sure its that simple and I dont expect Liverpool to dominate like last year, next season.
But I also think it was wrong from the Dortmund side to sack him. He still had a lot to offer them. I don't know everything that happened at Dortmund, but I was not happy when he left and the rumors about Liverpool started.
He wasn't sacked from Dortmund, he walked.
The only person responsible for Liverpool heading into this season with just three senior defenders is Klopp, and yet somehow that's not been mentioned by anyone. The fact that Gomez and Matip are known to be injury prone makes it even more absurd.
If United started this season with just Maguire, Bailly and Jones as our options at centre back, we'd have been slated for the lack of depth there. When Bailly and Jones inevitably got injured, we wouldn't have had a load of excuses made for us if Maguire then also picked up an injury, and we found ourselves with McTominay and Matic in defence for months.
Who says Germans don’t have a good sense of humour?
Aaa... sorry my mistake! I thought he was sacked.
Of course the injuries affects there play and fore named reason no-one should expect 100 points. But to end up 35-40 points below that is not answered with unlucky with injuries. I haven't seen the stats of injured minutes and that stat don't tell the true story. But it is a stat worth looking at.
I also blame Ole for not sorting out our injury prone center defence, so I guess the blame on Liverpools situation should be on Klopp as well.
Liverpool have more issues than the center back situation in my opinion. And I don't think its going to be easy to replace the people needed to be replaced, or the ones looking to be replaced...
Just as imported sommerwindow for Liverpool as ours...
That's not really true.
Dortmund were an upper midtable side in the early 2000s, now they're a top 3 side. In his last season they temporarily fell back to upper midtable, but then they bounced back with a fresh start. Likewise for Mainz: promoted, relegated in last full season, but bounced back the season after he leaves.
If the same pattern was to repeat itself here, it would be Klopp picking up a Europa League side and leaving a CL side.
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Read some old articles about him leaving Dortmund, and it was quite interesting. A bit run a way instead of stay and fight.
He told the people he wanted to spare Dortmund to make the decision... hmmm... either they took the decision together and made a nice story of it, or he saw the money in another club and chose the money instead of fight to get them back from a bad season.
Wonder how he look at the situation now. Owner made the SL mistake, bad season, change is needed in the first team....
Will he spare Liverpool the decision as well? Maybe some more money make him think deferent about helping the club with decisions.
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Wow... That is a crazy stat
There was a similar collapse at Mainz after 6/7 seasons wasn't there?
It's definitely becoming a pattern. It'll be interesting to see if he stays and whether he can turn things around.
I don't think you can say he choose the money - there was no new job in sight for him at that point in time, he only got the job at Liverpool that year when they sacked Rodgers after a bad start to the season. And when he left Dortmund it was expected that he wanted some time off the job, and there are no indications he was in talks with other clubs in the summer - it was a surprise that he started at a new club so quickly.
But nonetheless the situation is at it is - Liverpool are in a very bad patch of form, actually quite similar to Klopps last Dortmund season - there is a pattern of a team that is playing very well and just not getting results (I am sure you can find similar stats like the 146 shots / 4 goals for Dortmund). So while it is crazy, it is also repeating, and shows that Liverpool need some kind of new impulse. And a new manager obviously can be this, so I would not be surprised if Klopp offers this to the club - in the end it was good for everyone when he left Dortmund, they could stabilize themselves under Tuchel, and Klopp also got a great new job. And I am sure he will be offered jobs by similar clubs after his Liverpool stint has ended - a manager who guarantees you 4-6 successful years with a title winning peak is something very interesting for many clubs, maybe not for the serial winners like PSG, Bayern or Real Madrid, but for all top clubs below them.
Anyone who says Klopp has not been amazing for Loserfool is a chump. One bad season does not define his tenure there. I hope their golden patch is over but Klopp has done fantastic. Nobody is perfect and he can take his share of the blame for this season but he has a lot of credit in the bank. Just can't believe some of the prickles on here that think everyone needs to be at their best every day or they become a total loser overnight. Clowns.
Total loser
Couldn't resist, could you?
You could be right.
Do you think sacking Rodgers was easy when Klopp was there to get?
How long before they sacked Rodgers do you think they were in contact with Klopp?
I might be totally wrong, but I think clubs have more contact with managers than what is "appropriate".
My believes is that the contact already was there but things happend a lott faster than planed.
Let's also keep in mind that nowadays it's rather rare that a coach stays at the same club for more than 3 years. Considering that, Klopp's performance has been great overall.
When you sack a coach in October (like they did with Rodgers) you have to get a new long-term solution immediately, so I am quite sure they were in contact with Klopp before sacking Rodgers and I agree that could have made that decision easier.
Some kind of "Hey man, what's up?" after he left Dortmund (or similar talk with his agent) is still quite possible (with the probable answer like "nothing for now, just taking my time off work, you got a nice club there I like it"). But I don't believe there was much more contact than this at the time, Rodgers had a contract until 2018 at that point, so I don't think that there was something planned like "Klopp will take over after a sabbatical for season 16/17".
Jesus! That’s disgusting
That seems like an incredibly risky set of defenders to pin your hopes to. Absolutely zero excuses if it backfires massively.
Yes... I agree there...
Not sure, but isn't the rumors on managers waiting for a curtin job quite common these days. I'm not comfortable with this, and I guess our history with managers is a reson to that.
So many clubs do change managers easily, to easy if you ask me. For me it looks like the contact between managers agents, and clubs is quite frequent and ongoing over years.
Nope. Europa league manager with fake teeth.Couldn't resist, could you?
He is a great coach but the free ride he gets from the media for his results and his rants against pundits is astonishing. Even sir alex didn't get this much leeway if I remember correctly. When we finished 3rd in 04-05 season, some media started questioning sir alex and his management. Even Jose after winning 2 titles with chelsea in his first stint had media backlash when he had somewhat poor 3rd season where they finished 2nd and won two domestic trophies. May be wrong but even pep was questioned last season and in his first season. What's with Klopp and his escape of criticism. The only manager who I remember getting so much leeway for a long time was Wenger.
The media is full of ex-Pool and afraid-of-Pool tw*ts.
It's easy to see why, the way he improved Liverpool was just brilliant and for what he achieved with them he will escape criticism, especially when you don't see any dressing room fights.
I get that but then once you reach that success you should be judged according to that or try to remain competitive. Liverpool this season have been awful. From being champions to be this deserves criticism. Every manager I mentioned in my op took the team to great heights but yet got criticised when they even had one bad to average season.
Klopp had made some questionable decision this season so to say VVD's injury is the sole cause of their downfall is bs. Their play of style this season just stinks so it's not like they are playing some entertaining football and losing.
Ultimately one has to be questioned and I feel Klopp escapes that. And when I say criticism I don't ask for him to be sacked or question his achievement but one has to call spade a spade. When manager like sir alex or Pep didn't get free escape why should klopp is my point.
They got criticism because of how good the team was and how much they spent, it's all relative.
I'm not saying Klopp don't deserve criticism, it's easy to see why he didn't get, especially when he was the one who won league title for Liverpool after 30 years.
If I was Liverpool fan I wouldn't have criticised Klopp.
Yeah I don't expect Liverpool fans to criticize the guy who won them their first PL. I was more of why media doesn't. Also, it's funny how last season some pundits were arguing this Liverpool side is one of the best in PL history but now they are again treated like underdogs.
Anyways I do see your point but still don't agree that he deserves this much leeway.
His next presser will be spicy.
“United fans disrupted the flow of our season by getting the game cancelled”
"Because of United we now have to play 5 games in 15 days, no one has ever played that many games before in such a short period in the history"
"We felt life threatened with the United mob waiting for us outside the hotel, it was like a war zone"
"Gary Neville has blood on his hands. He was fist-bumping with the protestors, he was desperate to get this game cancelled because of his hate for Liverpool"
“United fans disrupted the flow of our season by getting the game cancelled”
"Because of United we now have to play 5 games in 15 days, no one has ever played that many games before in such a short period in the history"
"We felt life threatened with the United mob waiting for us outside the hotel, it was like a war zone"
"Gary Neville has blood on his hands. He was fist-bumping with the protestors, he was desperate to get this game cancelled because of his hate for Liverpool"