I agree with everything you said. Assuming he stays, what do you think he can accomplish with them in the next few years?
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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I agree with everything you said. Assuming he stays, what do you think he can accomplish with them in the next few years?
While I’m happy to see the dippers crash & burn in such a hilarious fashion, I respect that Klopp’s a very talented manager (would’ve been happy to have him at City if we hadn’t got Pep) and I‘m actually upset by some of the vitriol being thrown at the bloke in a scenario where he’s just lost his mum and is seemingly on the brink of a mental breakdown.
Football tribalism’s all well and good for the banter but there are topics & times when it’s clearly inappropriate.
Football tribalism’s all well and good for the banter but there are topics & times when it’s clearly inappropriate.
He has never done it because at Dortmund he was fighting ghosts. Selling your best players to your rival, no manager can cope with that. He fought as hard as he could but realized he cannot do it anymore.
I believe Liverpool is far more dangerous in the future with Klopp rebuilding that by bringing another manager. I would love to see him gone honestly.
If he gets some finances in the future he can certainly win trophies again but we do not want what he wants.
I really thought this was their time to dominate football for at least another 2 / 3seasons and I think Klopp thought that too.
It's gone pear shaped so quickly that I think they will find it hard to recover. Will VVD and Gomez be the same players when they come back? Will the front 3 still be here next season?
Wynaldam and Milner leaving, Ox and Keita injury prone, Henderson and Thiago on the wrong side of 30.
Even Robertson looks likes he's peaked.
The only players they have to rebuild their team around is TAA and Fabinino.
It's turned on its head so quick and I love it!
Poor squad management has done for Liverpool in my view. In an intense season like this, depth was always going to be needed and they let some of their experienced back ups leave (Clyne, Lovren, Lallana). Reduces opportunity for rotating, more fatigue, more injuries. I think they’ll recover at least to an extent next season as I don’t think there’s really anybody out there that can afford to buy Salah/Mane, but I don’t see it lasting beyond that without major investment.
With an aging squad, this is a long-term rebuild over several windows. I don’t think this gets sorted in one window. Especially in COVID-reduced finances transfer windows. Do Liverpool have any youth players coming through? Curtis Jones, Harvey Elliot...anyone else?
If the Bayern job becomes available (speculation, but Low must leave Germany job sooner or later, so Flick might take that), could Klopp resist? Zidane won’t last at Madrid much longer either...
With an aging squad, this is a long-term rebuild over several windows. I don’t think this gets sorted in one window. Especially in COVID-reduced finances transfer windows. Do Liverpool have any youth players coming through? Curtis Jones, Harvey Elliot...anyone else?
If the Bayern job becomes available (speculation, but Low must leave Germany job sooner or later, so Flick might take that), could Klopp resist? Zidane won’t last at Madrid much longer either...
True, Pep has had serious can injections wherever he's managed. But Klopp did get one major cash injection (Coutinho) and showed what he can do. Similar to Dortmund.
This season as mentioned is a clear write off. I could not want a better manager starting next season. Not even Pep.
What vitriol?
I've seen none on here about it, maybe else where online I'd guess twitter no idea, but thankfully everyones been respectful here.
They’ve been shit now, for nigh on 12 months
Yeah that's what I mean, which is why I found it surprising it was his first ever post on the forum.
How long before Henderson and Fabinho are demanding 200k a week on par with Thiago?
Not the only injections his team's get.....
There’s nothing but sympathy on here for him , there hasn’t been even one post of anything else.
Yeah exactly. You feel that the money spent on Allison and VVD is the exception to the rule for Liverpool’s transfer plans. And a lot has rested on finding the diamonds in the rough and, in fairness, getting them to play exceptionally well.
They had time to bring this group of players through with lower expectations and everything was progress until they hit their top form in the past 2 seasons. Now with things not going to plan (for a myriad of reasons) they’re gonna have to find solutions quickly if they want to be considered one of the great teams.
Around the time testing started, strange that.
This is a very good point and overlooked/excused due to the recent injuries.
Klopp chose to invest the Couthino lotto winnings on the first team and squad depth was mostly ignored. This is why it is hard to have any sympathy for pool now when they have a few key players injured. I also haven't forgotten his comments on the Pogba fee only to spend similar money on VVD and the flop that has been Kieta. He also broke the record spend for a goal keeper. So tough titty now if you havent got the squad to cope with a few injuries.
Also, aside from their injuries I think a lot of sides have figured out how to play against them. It's not that hard to stop as their style of football while exciting is basically modern day kick and rush. City on the other hand play great football and are much harder to stop, I'm worried in terms of Citys trophy haul this season. I think the only thing standing in their way of the quadruple is Bayern Munich, perhaps not having a recognised striker will however hamper them more in europe than it does in the PL, time will tell.
Anyway back to Liverpool, it does appear more likely than not that motivation is the main ingredient of Klopps success recipe and as motivation is hard to sustain particularly with the same group of players, they are now struggling which speaks to your point.....they have been pretty shit for 12 months now, long before the injuries, yes the league was wrapped up 12 months ago but the CL certainly wasnt.
All things considered, this decline is a marvellous thing to witness, hopefully it only gets steeper. Will be interesting to see how they are next season, I think they need a good window in the summer.
What do you mean? Drug testing? Hasn't that always been a regular feature?
Teams go in cycles and they’ve had their 3 or so years of being at, or very near the top.
Despite the injuries in defense they’ve still had their full strength first XI for the rest of the season.
Klopp playing two first choice midfielders at the back has resulted in 4 positions not being at peak strength. It happens here when players are shoehorned in; if your CBs are injured then replace them with CBs, and keep the midfield as strong as possible.
I think he’s as much to blame as the bad luck they’ve had with the injuries.
Saying that, I love seeing the collapse so long may it continue
Despite the injuries in defense they’ve still had their full strength first XI for the rest of the season.
Klopp playing two first choice midfielders at the back has resulted in 4 positions not being at peak strength. It happens here when players are shoehorned in; if your CBs are injured then replace them with CBs, and keep the midfield as strong as possible.
I think he’s as much to blame as the bad luck they’ve had with the injuries.
Saying that, I love seeing the collapse so long may it continue
i must say, this did occur to me but nobody gets tested. Ever. Well actually, I might be wrong there, as Rio would testify but if it is done regularly and randomly you would think there would be more caught? Maybe I’m missing something. Even Rio wasn’t caught with banned substances, he just disappeared instead of testing. I do find it surprising in today’s high octane PL that there aren’t more users uncovered.
Didn't do too badly with that insane Coutinho fee though did they.
Allowed them to buy world record level keeper and centre back signings.
There will definitely have been players caught. But every chance it's concealed and the club hide their absence by suggesting it's an injury or something.
Heck, my club Wycombe had a guy who was on trial for murder that we dressed up as being a "cold" for ages. They eventually upgraded it to "personal problems".
Yep, you still have to spend it well. We spent more on AWB and Maguire.
I'd say both have been really good signings.
I'd use Van Beek at 40m as an example of one that at best still has it all to prove, or at worst was a mad one.
you just shake your head and wonder, sometimes. What is the point when attempts to clean the game up are hamstrung by stupidity?
Yet Rio was banned for 9 months, probably costing us a title, even though he made himself available immediately afterwards. Maybe he could’ve taken something to mask a banned substance? Dunno but they clearly assumed the worst and predictably threw the book at him and United. There just doesn’t appear to be the will to seriously address it.
What made the Rio one absolutely mad was that Mutu got a lesser ban having actually been caught with drugs.
They clearly just wanted a big name deterrent.
Would be interesting what players and clubs are up to in reality. From Wenger and his creatine years back, to Jamie Vardy being caught chewing tobacco, and admitting to excessive Red bull, both stimulants, but legal.
Just like athletes the line between legal and not will be very fine.
Wasn't Andy Carroll's long term injuries early in his career, actually a drug addiction? Could be wrong, can't remember where I heard that, tbh.
One of those things we'll never know. You can be certain Carroll wasn't the most professional at some stage of his career though (that'll ease the redcafe's lawyers worries after your post
)Not only is that just your opinion that can't be backed up by any evidence whatsoever, but to use the word "definitely" in there when, like I said, there is literally nothing that even vaguely suggests that such things have taken place... Boggles the mind, you're really just guessing and trying to make something out of nothing to back up your own beliefs here.
3 seconds of googling, and here's 8 players straight away.
https://www.90min.com/posts/4587139...ers-who-have-been-charged-for-social-drug-use
Do you think every player who gets found out is immediately banned? You're showing breathtaking naivety if so.
If there was any "evidence", there'd be hell to pay for clubs, players and staff.
This reads like an NBA team going into tanking/rebuilding mode after their championship window closes.
The quoted posts were implying that our shitness has coincided with the period when testing started. That’s not recreational drug use but a reference to the PED or asthma stories. Seemed to me you were talking about positive tests at Liverpool that were being swept under the carpet.
If not, I must’ve misinterpreted your post - apologies if so. Re: recreational drug usage and positive tests, I agree with your view.
Fair play pal. I did think you'd got a bit hard in
. Nothing to do with Liverpool (or City) in my posts.I'd love to think there's no shenanigans going on at the top level, but I'm well into my running and know what a rancid world the elite game is there. And how easy it seems to be to evade what is the biggest drug tested sport there is.
So with way higher money in football, way less testing, and watching how these players put in super human efforts each week, I'd be amazed if it's all clean.
Seen a few two bob articles about there’s fears from Pool about him walking? Assume bs but it’s a very interesting time for them especially if CL starts to look in doubt.
Pep will walk too at the end of the season if cl goes, klopp will go to the next big adventure in football, pep will read books/be a big girls blouse
Do they do any drug testing in the darts?
Somehow favourite on Skybet to be the next manager to leave in the prem (10/11).
Betting suspended
Despite some on here doubting my sources the other day, the Athletic have now caught up and are reporting thisHearing some rumours that Klopp has quit.
Yh this is what I saw. Apparently huge fight in the changing room after Leicester and he just walked off and didn’t travel back with the team.