in fact i want us to be winning 1-0, Liverpool get a 50/50 penalty declined, we get a 50/50 penalty given, Bruno steps up points to a corner and penankas it in
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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I can't wait for the soft penalty, won by Pogba in the 93rd minute to be saved by Allison, Klopp to run up and down the touchline punching the air to secure a 0-0, only for the ref to realise Allison came off his line by 1mm, and orders Bruno to re-take it, which gets slammed home.
Get your online banking done before the game fellow Caffs, cus the internet is going to break
Get your online banking done before the game fellow Caffs, cus the internet is going to break
The fans are worse. I brought up the fact that in 13/14 Liverpool had 12 pens to our 5 with a guy at work, and he said that is old and outdated information.
Surely the period starting 2018 is old and irrelevant and the focus should be on 2020/21 only?
It's almost like they don't know that their entire approach to football is completely different to ours and ours would actually most definitely generate more pens via fouls.
Surely the period starting 2018 is old and irrelevant and the focus should be on 2020/21 only?
It's almost like they don't know that their entire approach to football is completely different to ours and ours would actually most definitely generate more pens via fouls.
The whole discussion is just so self-evidently flawed. It's really depressing to see how media outlets add to it with pure clickbait nonsense. "Does Klopp have a point?" Sky sports asks, and then proceeds with graphics showing how many penalties have been awarded. As if you could conclude that if that's the case, then Klopp's got a point. No one seems interested in pointing out the roaring fallacies at the heart of the argument, which are these:
1. Why is the point being raised? The only answer to that is that there's an implication that somehow one team is being unfairly favored and another is being unfairly penalised. Otherwise, there is nothing to discuss. The reason this is being merely implied and not stated explicitly is of course that it is a claim that is impossible to substantiate, because it's bonkers and there is no proof whatsoever for it. And Klopp knows it.
2. Why would you expect teams to receive an equal number of penalties? There is no reason why that would be the case. A skilled team which spends a comparatively large amount of time inside the opposition box, and who tends to attempt passes and dribbles while there, will be fouled more frequently than others. And if there is no reason why there'd be an equal number of penalties, then an unequal number of penalties given is not an indication that something is amiss.
Good post. Let’s just make it really simple: he’s saying it in an attempt to influence the officials ahead of our game in a couple of weeks. And why wouldn’t he? As Ole said, Lampard did the same thing before the cup semi-final last season, and it worked. So why wouldn’t Klopp do it? I really want to know why a manager will be fined for criticising a referee after the game, but Klopp, Lampard, Mourinho, through flowery words, can effectively insinuate that the officials are bent and are deliberately giving favourable decisions to one team, and all we get are crickets. This is a serious accusation and quite honestly the Premier League needs to put a stop to it.
I would absolutely love for us to win against Liverpool now after a VAR penalty
Jurgen Moan.
Do you remember when Romeu nearly broke Greenwood's tibia in two?!
No Red card - Did United moan ?
Do you remember when Romeu nearly broke Greenwood's tibia in two?!
No Red card - Did United moan ?
You are unusually brief, for someone who calls herself a gossip girl.
I tell you my friend that with the Liverpool supporters here 'd:' would be an answer they would understand. 
I actually considered Klopp impossible to dislike at one point, even being more fond of him than Jose who at the time was our manager. Now he's just another serial moaner and excuse artist, definitely something in the water there.
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Yep, a shameful admittance on my part. I was absolutely gutted when he joined them since I was a huge fan of his at Dortmund and found his antics there wholesomely entertaining. Conversely, I've always hated Mourinho and was disappointed he became our manager.
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this site has stopped surprising me now, got fans preferring scouse manager and making COVID scouse excuses already if we win anything this season,
this site has stopped surprising me now, got fans preferring scouse manager and making COVID scouse excuses already if we win anything this season,
This would obviously be the funniest thing ever, but the last thing we need is the scouse cnuts to suddenly feel re-energized and emboldened by some hilarious shithousery.
That claim by him is a bit Trumpian.
"Not many people know this, but United have had..."
"Not many people know this, but United have had..."
Surely the best outcome would be to win comfortably at anfield, 3-0 or something and have a stone wall penalty or 2 turned down as well.
I'd like to see who he blames in his post match presser after that.
I'd like to see who he blames in his post match presser after that.
Yup. Sprinkle in a bit of diving from their side and it's perfect.
Absolutely pathetic stuff from Klopp, Mourinho and (previously) Lampard. The refs and VAR prefer us apparently.
He has his flaws as a manager but I must say Ole's refusal to get drawn into this kind of bullshit is really refreshing.
He has his flaws as a manager but I must say Ole's refusal to get drawn into this kind of bullshit is really refreshing.
Has he been charged yet?
Amazing. Not sure why I'm surprised.
He was never going to be charged but he’s clearly accused the refs or fa of being biased towards us.
of course not , disgraceful
So the FA are biased towards United, but also they must be biased towards Liverpool, because Klopp never got charged by them for that outburst.
You are right about match day fans supporting the manager.What
Absolute car crash of a post. There was zero discontent for Ole by match day fans. Which are the ones to pay attention to in this case.
There has been very little talk on him being sacked by pundits over the last two years.
Pressure at United? No fecking shit mate.
“Achieved”?? “Miraculous”?? Honestly, what are you on pal?
He is right in one respect though. Lose 2 games and online fans are calling for the managers head. Only 3-4 weeks ago there was serious discussion about Oke losing his job. The same people are now online saying #21iscoming. Its a joke.
It is an unfortunate symptons of United having such a large fanbase. If only 1% if all clubs fans are knee jerkers then it translates to a high number of people for United!
Clear evidence that there is no bias one way or the other regarding penalties for the respective teams. There are soft & obvious penalties and dodgy handballs for both teams.
feck of Klopp you utter, utter, UTTER cnut!
Cant see the video
Welcome to the world of online football fans. I’ve said this so many times and others have too, this isn’t a ‘United fan’ thing. It’s the same with every club with online fans. There’s a large section who will always be over the top one way or the other. The mistake to make is to think anyone at the club is even paying attention to it or that it somehow matters or effects the team or reflects an entire fanbase.
Klopp: We cannot change. I hear now that Manchester United had more penalties in two years than I had in five-and-a-half years. I’ve no idea if that’s my fault, or how that can happen."
The FA can punish managers for comments about referees in their media duties, but say they are allowed "provided they are not personal in their nature, imply bias or attack the integrity of the officials in charge of the match, or in any other respect bring the game into disrepute."
So, how does Klopp's comment not imply bias?
I’ve no idea if that’s my fault. This is obviously a rethorical remark - clearly he knows very well it's not his fault. But the operative word there is "fault". Because if it's anybody's fault, that means something untoward has happened. So, this is a sneaky claim of foul play, masquerading as humble self-questioning. Despicable.
or how that can happen. Implying that it shouldn't have happened, that the fact that it happened is in itself suspicious without needing any further justification, and that there is no good reason for it to have happened. Again masquerading as a soft, reasonable and open question.
This is just classic rethorical dark arts - you wish to establish that something is the case without argument and proof, you do so by just skipping that stage and ask why and how it can be that way. Pure shithousery.
The FA can punish managers for comments about referees in their media duties, but say they are allowed "provided they are not personal in their nature, imply bias or attack the integrity of the officials in charge of the match, or in any other respect bring the game into disrepute."
So, how does Klopp's comment not imply bias?
I’ve no idea if that’s my fault. This is obviously a rethorical remark - clearly he knows very well it's not his fault. But the operative word there is "fault". Because if it's anybody's fault, that means something untoward has happened. So, this is a sneaky claim of foul play, masquerading as humble self-questioning. Despicable.
or how that can happen. Implying that it shouldn't have happened, that the fact that it happened is in itself suspicious without needing any further justification, and that there is no good reason for it to have happened. Again masquerading as a soft, reasonable and open question.
This is just classic rethorical dark arts - you wish to establish that something is the case without argument and proof, you do so by just skipping that stage and ask why and how it can be that way. Pure shithousery.
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He knew what he was doing. It was a calculated remark to put pressure and influence on the referees.
If we Lose tonight come on here and read some of the comments in the Ole thread.What
Absolute car crash of a post. There was zero discontent for Ole by match day fans. Which are the ones to pay attention to in this case.
There has been very little talk on him being sacked by pundits over the last two years.
Pressure at United? No fecking shit mate.
“Achieved”?? “Miraculous”?? Honestly, what are you on pal?
“ This is why Ole should be sacked “
“ He will never win us a trophy “
Barely containing himself from bursting in the beginning. He shouldn't have said the part about referee influencing though.Because he hasn't implied that, assuming the statement is correct, is due to bias. He is trying to come up for a reason - possibly due to him and his playing style. His comment is way too vague to imply bias.
I think he was dead right. That's exactly what Klopp was doing. You can't let that slide.
What he said that it worked in the FA semi last year , he shouldn't have done that.
For Klopp to bring that up shows how concerned he is of us. It's good news from our perspective, shows that we're in their heads.
I disagree, it isn't vague at all. On the contrary, it is very finely calibrated - his comment cannot be understood in any other way than that he is arguing that someone is at fault, and that the number of penalties given have no natural explanation. He just wraps that in a humble guise. And crucially, he does not apply those points to the number of penalties Liverpool has received, he applies it to the fact that United have received more penalties than Liverpool. How could he and his playing style possibly be the reason for the number of penalties United has received?
I'm in a line of work where we habitually have to deal with messaging that isn't necessarily straightforward, and it's not often I see a clearer example of a manipulative rethorical device than what we've got here.
I understand that he's unhappy after the Southampton game - in my view, Liverpool should have had two penalties. But that's got nothing to do with United.