Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

Cheimoon said:
Himself, could be; but you were talking about 'them' , with which I suppose you mean the team.
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Cheimoon said:
Yeah, can't be bothered either, just didn't want to leave it unchallenged like that.
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Their league finishes under Klopp were 6th, 5th, 1st 1st 2nd 2nd 7th and subsequently left his role after that season. So id say he ran himself into the ground and his team.

They spent 3 months in the relegation zones, with a star studded team. It was near disastrous.

Most managers have similar cycles and and it’s my opinion that he has peaked as Liverpool manager. There is absolutely nothing wrong with chatting about this on a Jurgen Klopp sub forum within a football forum.
 
Cheimoon said:
I can't be bothered to look it up, sorry, but look for posts by the resident German posters in relation to Klopp. They've explained multiple times. In short, though, he stayed there a full seven years; had to deal with important players leaving, but still had only one poor season (his last); and in that season his team was often extremely unlucky (crazy stats) and he anyway finished only just outside the European spots thanks to a very strong run in the second half of the season. That's not 'burning out his team'.
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‘There’s no such thing as extremely unlucky seasons though is there. You can have unlucky decisions, an unlucky game, but if youve had an unlucky season then you need to just admit you were not good enough. They were in relegation for 3 months, that isn’t down to luck or because 1-2 players have left.

I believe his style of management peaks his players for 3-4 years and then he and they have nothing left. That’s what happened at Dortmund, that’s what I believe will happen at Liverpool. My opinion, don’t get upset or offended about it, it’s a discussion forum.
 
Worth noting they faced a Fulham side without their main striker too. Quite amazing how many times that happens for them really.
 
Feed Me said:
I know I would agree as a United fan but think you are spot on. Klopp gets a lot of love from Liverpool fans and the media, but beneath the thick veneered horse teeth there’s a proper sore loser and pretty unseemly bloke in my opinion. I also think that he’s a massive narcissist.
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Great manager always making a cnut of himself though
 
Jonno said:
‘There’s no such thing as extremely unlucky seasons though is there. You can have unlucky decisions, an unlucky game, but if youve had an unlucky season then you need to just admit you were not good enough. They were in relegation for 3 months, that isn’t down to luck or because 1-2 players have left.

I believe his style of management peaks his players for 3-4 years and then he and they have nothing left. That’s what happened at Dortmund, that’s what I believe will happen at Liverpool. My opinion, don’t get upset or offended about it, it’s a discussion forum.
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I think that's the case for most teams to be fair, especially ones who don't have the resources to quickly refresh the team. It's harder for such teams to stumble on excellent players more than once. It wasn't just his style.

As united fans we've been spoiled in that regard because Sir Alex was the master at revitalising teams.
 
The 3 biggest media sins a manager can commit, in no particular order:

Poor leadership:
Typically displayed by throwing your own players under the bus.

Displaying weakness:
Typically displayed by being overly negative or by showing a defeatist nature.

Elitism:
Typically displayed by criticizing the opponent's style of play and thinking that football must be played the way you like it.

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Klopp is consistently guilty of the latter.
 
OleBoiii said:
The 3 biggest media sins a manager can commit, in no particular order:

Poor leadership:
Typically displayed by throwing your own players under the bus.

Displaying weakness:
Typically displayed by being overly negative or by showing a defeatist nature.

Elitism:
Typically displayed by criticizing the opponent's style of play and thinking that football must be played the way you like it.

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Klopp is consistently guilty of the latter.
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I don’t mind elitism from our manager. Makes rivals hate you.
 
RobinLFC said:
Dunno, really no idea. We had the title pretty much locked up since New Year so motivation might've been gone a bit, or they needed some time to click again after the lockdown. I think it was still quite good until we won the title (or at least the Palace game at home I think), after that it was pretty average but not unexpected once they didn't have anything to play for anymore.

This season we've been really good in some games (Leicester and Atalanta come to mind) but also very bad, or simply lethargic, in others. With the little rest, lot of injuries, ... I don't think it's that surprising. We've been on a high the last two seasons, it's bound to go down sometime (just look at City right now too). Not quite willing to say that we're already over our peak but maybe Klopp needs to change things up again a bit. Hopefully the return of players like Oxlade-Chamberlain and (especially) Thiago will help too. Jota being out for 6-8 weeks is another setback we could've really done without.

I think it's gonna be up and down for the entirety of the season, we'll certainly not walk to the title like we did last season.
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Yeah. It could be that Klopp and his coaches and saving them for the second half of the season, united under Fergie were often slow to get going but always managed to peak at the right time.

Obviously I'm hoping its something deeper and he hasn't yet got to the stage of deciding when his team should peak!

It's more likely a combo of taking foot off gas for run in and injuries thus far this season.
 
OleBoiii said:
The 3 biggest media sins a manager can commit, in no particular order:

Poor leadership:
Typically displayed by throwing your own players under the bus.

Displaying weakness:
Typically displayed by being overly negative or by showing a defeatist nature.

Elitism:
Typically displayed by criticizing the opponent's style of play and thinking that football must be played the way you like it.

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Klopp is consistently guilty of the latter.
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Wenger was always guilty of this too. Howver it's the least detrimental of the three to your team......unfortunately!
 
Agila Dathi said:
According to whoscored.com Fulham had 63 long ball passes, Liverpool had 60 :lol:

1.Burnley840
2.Wolverhampton Wanderers753
3.Brighton and Hove Albion725
4.Newcastle United724
5.Everton713
6.West Ham United701
7.Leeds United692
8.West Bromwich Albion688
9.Liverpool685
10.Southampton681
11.Chelsea676
12.Tottenham Hotspur670
13.Sheffield United667
14.Crystal Palace625
15.Fulham612
16.Leicester City605
17.Aston Villa595
18.Arsenal591
19.Manchester United513
20.Manchester City512
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But Liverpool played far more passes overall so the fact that Fulham still played slightly more long passes actually does actually confirm their game was mostly based on playing long passes. 25% of the passes from Fulham were long passes while it's 8% for Liverpool. On average only 11% of Fulham passes are long passes so 25% is indeed an extremely high number.
Now is there anything wrong with changing your tactics especially when you're up against a superior team? Obviously not but that doesn't mean the statement itself is wrong.
 
balaks said:
Ive always thought he was very false and the nice guy act was paper thin. Just never liked him.
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I'm glad someone else can see Klopp for the evil-doer he is.

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Pure evil.
 
legolegs said:
But Liverpool played far more passes overall so the fact that Fulham still played slightly more long passes actually does actually confirm their game was mostly based on playing long passes. 25% of the passes from Fulham were long passes while it's 8% for Liverpool. On average only 11% of Fulham passes are long passes so 25% is indeed an extremely high number.
Now is there anything wrong with changing your tactics especially when you're up against a superior team? Obviously not but that doesn't mean the statement itself is wrong.
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I'd say the majority of them long balls came in the last half hour when they were starting to struggle and they brought the big man on up top. Before that for the first hour when they were tearing Liverpool a new one they had Lookman and Cavaleiro upfront, 2 midget wingers
 
It's what the great managers do. Deflect, even if it means talking shit to protect their players. As long as the players are actually capable it ends up being the right approach 9/10 times.
 
OleBoiii said:
The 3 biggest media sins a manager can commit, in no particular order:

Poor leadership:
Typically displayed by throwing your own players under the bus.

Displaying weakness:
Typically displayed by being overly negative or by showing a defeatist nature.

Elitism:
Typically displayed by criticizing the opponent's style of play and thinking that football must be played the way you like it.

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Klopp is consistently guilty of the latter.
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Then Fergie falls into elitism too because he didn’t commit these other sins you speak of.
 
Cheech Wizard said:
Then Fergie falls into elitism too because he didn’t commit these other sins you speak of.
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You don't have to commit any of these sins :lol:

Not that Fergie was flawless, but at least he didn't do any of the above for the most part.
 
adkb said:
Come on Mou! Fulham handed you Klopp on a platter! Rile him up!!
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Exactly this. It is time. I feel Mou could easily get him to react if he wanted to. I think he'll wait to see how the game on Weds goes.

If I were him, I'd definitely start with Klopp's quote about: "Other clubs can go out and spend money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money."
 
Jonno said:
Their league finishes under Klopp were 6th, 5th, 1st 1st 2nd 2nd 7th and subsequently left his role after that season. So id say he ran himself into the ground and his team.

They spent 3 months in the relegation zones, with a star studded team. It was near disastrous.

Most managers have similar cycles and and it’s my opinion that he has peaked as Liverpool manager. There is absolutely nothing wrong with chatting about this on a Jurgen Klopp sub forum within a football forum.
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Jonno said:
‘There’s no such thing as extremely unlucky seasons though is there. You can have unlucky decisions, an unlucky game, but if youve had an unlucky season then you need to just admit you were not good enough. They were in relegation for 3 months, that isn’t down to luck or because 1-2 players have left.

I believe his style of management peaks his players for 3-4 years and then he and they have nothing left. That’s what happened at Dortmund, that’s what I believe will happen at Liverpool. My opinion, don’t get upset or offended about it, it’s a discussion forum.
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And now I'm doing this anyway. :)

I did not watch that final Dortmund season, but from what I have read, they were really a statistical anomaly that year; no team with those stats should have been in their position. And even if that's bollocks, they turned it around in the second half and still finished 7th. (Well: I see they were just three points below 5th - but also 15 points of 4th and only 12 points from direct relegation; 5th to 17th were pretty close that year.) That doesn't sound to me like the team was gone from him. And it was anyway his seventh season with the team, not his third or fourth or fifth.

Also, the season after under Tüchel, they finished second again and got far in all their cups, (including the EL; I missed that they did qualify for that by finishing 7th in 2014-15), while Tüchel has his teams play an equally demanding style of football. So if it was tiredness in that 7th season, it was either tiredness of Klopp (which probably Klopp thought, given that he decided that it was his last season there), or they somehow managed to rest during the season.

Anyway, happy to disagree. I'm spending way too much time on something I don't even care all that much about. :lol: (Also, I would agree that it's on Klopp to explain why his Liverpool team is having so many injuries right now. it's not like everyone is in that particular boat. Although for example the VVD injury has nothing to do with Klopp; that's on Pickford entirely.)
 
bsCallout said:
It's annoying how effective those long balls are though at getting them in the attacking third. We suck at that.
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It's the accuracy of them. Liverpool have been playing long balls for a long time under klopp. Its direct and gets thier front three involved quicker, especially with the second balls.
 
Reddevildans said:
It's the accuracy of them. Liverpool have been playing long balls for a long time under klopp. Its direct and gets thier front three involved quicker, especially with the second balls.
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I agree. I just wish we did it. Particularly in games when we are struggling with another teams press. SAFs teams were masterful at knowing when to play long or not.
 
Reddevildans said:
It's the accuracy of them. Liverpool have been playing long balls for a long time under klopp. Its direct and gets thier front three involved quicker, especially with the second balls.
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It is so annoying how often Pool get the second ball once they go direct. They sprint like mad men as soon as the ball touches the head of the opposing player.
 
Teja said:
It is so annoying how often Pool get the second ball once they go direct. They sprint like mad men as soon as the ball touches the head of the opposing player.
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Pace and technical ability from our front three coupled with the work rate of putting opposition under pressure from our midfield equals winning the ball high up the pitch more often than not. It's a very simple tactic which we get right a lot of the time
 
Klopper76 said:
Leicester didn’t open up against us at all. They say in and tried to counter. We’re actually better against sides who sit back. Spurs would be better off doing what Fulham did early on against us.
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Will be interesting game to see and certainly don't expect Spurs to get blown away like we have seen happen in the past against Pochettino/AVB/Sherwood sides
 
Whilst he is just moaning because they failed to win, he is also exposing a real weakness of Liverpool’s high defensive line which was continuously exposed by Aston Villa and Leeds earlier in the season.

It’s such a shame that when Liverpool came to the Bridge, Lampard lacked any sort of ambition and parked a few buses to try and stop Liverpool instead of exposing their defensive weaknesses this season. A cautious approach he seems to apply against any decent enough team.

Liverpool may well win the league again this season but it won’t be without faltering. Most teams are going to have off days in this mad season and the title race is wide open.

The fact that Spurs are still top of the pile approaching Christmas speaks volumes about how mental this year has been.
 
He just got FIFA world coach, ahead of Hansi Flick. Some bullshit if you want my totally unbiased opinion.
 
GhastlyHun said:
He just got FIFA world coach, ahead of Hansi Flick. Some bullshit if you want my totally unbiased opinion.
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I was just coming to talk about that ? How come ? Of course winning the PL with 99 points is great but Bayern won the treble, wtf ?
 
GhastlyHun said:
He just got FIFA world coach, ahead of Hansi Flick. Some bullshit if you want my totally unbiased opinion.
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el3mel said:
I was just coming to talk about that ? How come ? Of course winning the PL with 99 points is great but Bayern won the treble, wtf ?
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Think winning the first ever PL title for the club was a huge achievement. I wouldn't argued with him winning to be fair, even ahead of Bayern winning the CL (I don't really count the other two trophies as anything serious).
 
What a joke..
So going out of the Champions League in the Round of 16 is enough to be the worlds best coach :wenger:
 
Not a big enough deal is made about how ridiculous his teeth are



Like a dodgy Madame Tussaud’s
 
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