We're in agreement on this.
Klopp will have failed as Liverpool manager if his side loses in the final to a considerably weaker Spurs outfit, resulting in his inevitable sacking.
Any idea as to a potential replacement? Poch, Moyes, Jose maybe?
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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We're in agreement on this.
Klopp will have failed as Liverpool manager if his side loses in the final to a considerably weaker Spurs outfit, resulting in his inevitable sacking.
Any idea as to a potential replacement? Poch, Moyes, Jose maybe?
City will reach twenty before Liverpool will in my opinion
Moyes for sure. Can't go wrong and he's clearly got a love for Liverpool Football Club based on his previous managerial experience.
If he won't take it then I think Dalglish for one more go.
How do you know that ? Pep himself stated recently that to maintain the level of consistency shown by City over the past couple of seasons eventually takes it's toll - physically & mentally - on the players. Jose's Chelsea are a prime example. 95 points in his first season. 91 in his 2nd. Then 83 in his 3rd. This despite him constantly strengthening his squad. He was sacked early on in his 4th season after a mediocre start. City won the title thanks to an incredible run of 14 consecutive victories. It was all about momentum for them. But that momentum has gone now. & the players, plus the manager, have to try & replicate that again next season. It's a big ask, & not the given that many think it'll be.
That's 14 more league titles. How long do you estimate it'll take them to reach that?
With the way they're allowed to bend the rules...about three seasons.
I think they'll win 3 out of every 4 over the next two decades. As soon as someone steps up they'll go on a splurge to surge ahead again.
Fans laud City for upping the standards to win the league but we'll only see the damage to the league over the long run.
They've already taken two league titles off of you. It'll be a long time before someone wins the title and defends it against City as they are run today.
Pep says a lot of things he doesn't necessarily mean, he's challenging his players. This Guardiola side is not Mourinho's team.
People said the exact same about them repeating it for another season, and they did. They have so much quality, so much money, and the best manager int he game. You can keep hoping and praying they'll drop off but it's more likely to be you.
Pep isn't going to stay that long. Once he leaves they'll probably struggle to repeat what he's done.
This time Klopp might win a final at last.
And if not, they'll weld him to a previously successful boss. Just like the Transformers, they'll wheel out a flying heavy metal German Benitez: the LuftRafa.
Sorry, folks.
There is no conceivable way for the chasing pack to close the gap. They already possess arguably the best side in PL history, on top of having access to a near limitless transfer budget with which to make improvements.
This City team could dominate indefinitely.
True unless they make it a priority to win the CL at all costs maybe resting players ect.. then again their second team is good too.
I don't know what a LuftRafa is but I know I want one for Christmas.
Football is not that simple. A lot can happen in 2,3,4 years. Guardiola will leave eventually and unlike what many think, it isn't easy to get even a world class team dominating at the level he has achieved with City.
Damn they really are good.
That's a depressing thought. Surely Guardiola will piss off in a few years?
The hurt Liverpool are carrying from last year's defeat, plus the personal hurt that Klopp is carrying from being a runner-up in three European finals will likely give them a bigger incentive to push themselves to the limit than any Spurs will be able to muster. Maybe it won't be on a conscious level, but subconsciously Spurs' players will be able to reconcile themselves to a defeat more than Liverpool's (club's first UCL final, the "no one expected us to get this far" plucky losers factor, etc). Just one reason why I can see the unbearable happening on June 1.
Two birds with one stone.You better run away from here when Spurs beat you in the final
That's quite defeatist for you. Last summer you expected Utd to get 101 points this season if City got 100. Surely the fact that we got so close shows that it's possible to challenge them. No-one has ever won more than 3 titles in a row.
Why do you post this kinda stuff on a United forum? I don't think anyone really cares about catching your CL number. I dunno why you think they do. It would start to be funny if someone is getting close though, because it's all you lot ever talk about.
The situation has changed rather drastically since then.
Technically, City didn't get 100 points, so we didn't have the motivation to go for 101 either.
Guardiola, in his time at Barca, had arguably the greatest team of all time. Central to that greatness of course was a little Argentinian called Messi. It's interesting though, as he now enters into his 4th season at City, at how much it echoes his time at Barcelona. His points tally at Barca : 2009 - 87pts - 2010 - 99pts - 2011 - 96pts - 2012 - 91 pts. His first 3 years at City : 2017 - 78 pts - 2018 - 100pts - 2019 - 98 pts - 2020 - ?. He took over a Bayern side that had won the title with 91 pts. He kept up the good work in his first season with another win on 90 pts. His 2nd season saw a dip of 11 pts as Bayern won it again with 79 pts. & in his final season he won it with 88pts.
The upshot of that, is that contrary to what you might believe, there is nothing in Pep's managerial history that suggests his teams evolve to bigger & better things in the league. Not forgetting also, that La Liga during his time there, was pretty much a 2 team league, whilst he had very little opposition in Germany either. So taking into account all the teams in the top 6 will probably improve their respective squads, along with City of course. What we can't say with any degree of certainty, is how much impact that will have on those sides, including City again, when it comes to the head-to-heads next season. My guess is, is that there won't be anywhere near the gap we've seen this season between the top 2 & the rest this time next year. Man City may well still finish top of the pile again. But I honestly don't think they're going to continue on this upward trajectory for the coming season.
He has more resources at City than he did anywhere else, it's not a normal football club. At City he can afford to field basically two starting XI's, and he will only add to that this summer. People keep talking about Man City like a normal football club but they're a false creation and don't abide by the usual rules. They have to be treated as an enigma, the resources they possess are endless.
Maybe he won't do even better in the league next season, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them remain at a similar level and also add a CL win. They don't need to get better in the league because they're already basically as good as you can possibly get, and there are zero signs whatsoever that they will face any decline, the team is young, still hungry, and they will spend spend and spend in order to go for a European title.
The same ideas could be applied to Klopp and his decline at Dortmund, history shows his teams fall off a cliff faster than Guardiola's sides. Personally I expect him to win a CL trophy next season and move on, but another world class manager with similar ideas will replace him, maybe they'll have a year or so where they're off colour but for the next decade or so I fully expect City to dominate English football.
Not only does guardiola have more resources than ever at city, he has more power than ever, too. At barcelona and bayern his input was given a lot of weight, but ultimately it was other people who called the shots
At city, it appears he is one of those people
At city, it appears he is one of those people
Politely disagree. If we actually had two Title challenging squads, we would have won the PL by 10+ points and steamrolled the CL. Field our 2nd squad and we will be top 7.
They have vastly superior resources yes but why would that mean that they can't be considered another filthy rich club? This has quite a bit to do with perspective too. Every rich club can be viewed as having infinite resources to those that are on a shoestring budget. City is to Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs what United used to be to other top 4 challengers before their Qatar takeover. It's all fair game and City deserve a lot of credit for the way they've spent their money.
He is... City's Ferguson. dun dun duuuuuuuun!!
If you'd won the PL by 10 points (ie with 107 points), you would have dropped 7 points over a 38 game season. So a loss and 2 draws or basically 3 draws over a 38 game season. Has that literally ever been done in the history of this league? Or any league for that matter?
It might not exactly be title winning but your second string would be at the very least challenging for a top 6 place.
I think most people would consider De Bruyne your best player. He missed most of the season and you still only dropped 2 points vs last year, in a much more high pressure situation too.
98 Points is usually winning the PL by 10 points easily, and failing in the CL, well, Pep has been permanently underachieving there. I mean you could field those first XI:
Ederson
Walker Kompany Laporte Zinchenko
KdB Gündogan Silva
B. Silva Agüero Sterling
Bravo
Danilo Otamendi Stones Mendy
Fernandinho Delph Foden
Mahrez Jesus Sané
First one is obviously best in the league by a distance, second one is maybe worse than Liverpool's, though not by much. This squad is on the level with they very best squads (Madrid, Barca, Bayern) in the last years.
Uefa investigators want Manchester City to be banned from the Champions League for a season if they are found guilty of breaking financial rules.
However, according to one well-placed source, a final decision is yet to be made by chief investigator Yves Leterme.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48265079
Yes I read about it. Not too sure how much truth there is to this story. Seems like a sensationalist headline so far. But these allegations notwithstanding, I think it's petty to moan about City's vast resources. Of course if they did somehsome illegal on the way that's a different story altogether.
And what about the FA? the same things Uefa are investigating, would they not fall under the Fa's purview? They should carry out an independent investigation and slap a separate punishment if found guilty. Just hope it's not a retrospective points deduction.
Yes I read about it. Not too sure how much truth there is to this story. Seems like a sensationalist headline so far. But these allegations notwithstanding, I think it's petty to moan about City's vast resources. Of course if they did somehsome illegal on the way that's a different story altogether.
And what about the FA? the same things Uefa are investigating, would they not fall under the Fa's purview? They should carry out an independent investigation and slap a separate punishment if found guilty. Just hope it's not a retrospective points deduction.
Any club circumventing the FPP rules should be harshly punished. Teams like Wolves should also be investigated. They won't, though.
Birmingham City got a points deduction!
I agree. Do you know if a team can be investigated by 2 governing bodies for the same breach? I think they should be.
You're right, we won't be investigated, because we haven't circumvented the rules and have never failed a Financial Fair Play test, unlike Birmingham City.