This is genius. Spinning a win into a virtual negative.
Winning by a single goal - for a club with Liverpool's history as well. Pathetic from Klopp.
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Winning by a single goal - for a club with Liverpool's history as well. Pathetic from Klopp.
That's right, Snow. Educate these fools on that balmy night in Barcelona.
When did you beat Chelsea in the Europa League?
The point is, it's more fun winning games like last night than losing in the CL. Of course anybody would rather win the big one but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy wonderful wins against very good teams.
I think Klopp will get Liverpool into the CL pretty soon but until then this ride is superb.
But saying you'd rather be in the Europa then the Champions League? Nah, sounds like lies to make your situation seem better then it is. Which is stupid as your win was a great and fun performance. Just no need to make up stuff to try and big it up.
I'd prefer to be in the EL semi than fail in the CL group stage like last season. That was miserable. This European campaign is actively awakening Liverpool Football Club from a slumber. It's brilliant.
Sure it is, while you're worse off in the league than us!
I think that he should be closer to the top 4 if what he's done is improving the team. That team has shown more than this in the past and should be capable of more if Klopp is doing wonders for their morale. United have been poor, perhaps poorer than Liverpool if you go into detail of every league match (definitely poorer in Europe) but they are still ahead, as are 3 other teams for now.
I don't disagree that the comparison is an unfair one but it's one that needs to be made if there's to be a comparison at all and if people are going to claim that they've improved they need to show it. Before the win on Thursday they had 1 win in the past 5. Of course it won't matter at all if they keep up the good form in Europe and simply win the competition. That seems to be the smarter way of doing things but they go into every game trying to win and they simply haven't done it at an impressive degree.
Points matter more than positions.
These are your words, not mine.
If you want to talk points per matches then Klopp has 1,7 vs the 1,5 before he took over. Yes that's improvement but it's a marginal one point wise which is, for a lack of a better word, my point.
I'm glad for you guys. I enjoyed the game also, not being a fan of either club. But what a night, eh? That's what European football is about for me.
He's definitely improved them in Europe. I can't imagine they would have gone to Dortmund and got a 1-1 with Rodgers in charge. They are set-up much better defensively. It's interesting that while it would appear they have improved domestically, and beaten some good teams, they haven't made any real progression on the table.
We're not the only side to improve in the league. Southampton have hit a good run of form recently and West Ham have become a much better side under Bilic. You've got City and Arsenal still in the top four and Spurs and Leicester's seasons have limited how much progress we can make up the table with our results.
We've still got issues at the back as well, specifically with individual mistakes and Klopp hasn't been able to fix that as of yet. Those mistakes are costing us and despite an increase in goals scored in 2016, we're still on course to concede around 50 goals for the fourth season running. Until the defence improves it's hard to see us maintaining success over the course of multiple seasons.
Results aside, they are playing very good football at times considering the average personnel. They have a clear game plan. Just not consistent enough. A transfer window or two, a proper preseason and Klopp should be able to turn Liverpool into a much more competitive team.
They will be one of the challengers for the title next season if Klopp buys right during the summer.
That doesn't undermine my point
For the first time in my life, Liverpool have a manager I find really difficult to hate
Klopp would've been the perfect choice for us and we missed the boat
Klopp would've been the perfect choice for us and we missed the boat
I'll wait to see how he does against teams sitting back and defending with 9/10 players before hailing him. That has always been what he finds tough, always been good against teams that have a go due to his style.
I thought the title challenge by Rodgers awakened your club? It was a bigger achievement by miles.
Klopp's stint so far for me has been a mixed bag with clear positives and direction but also many stumbles and periods of mediocrity. All in all the signs are upward IMO as the potential in attack and attitude is evident. But it has to be a lot more meaningful particularly in league football where klopp has been average.
Lots of parallels with 2004/2005.
- New manager with real pedigree
- Inherits decent but flawed squad
- Gives emphasis to cups as league requires too much consistency
- Gets to League Cup final - loses in a close game
- Emerge in Europe by knocking out more fancied sides
- Sheer will getting them through in unlikely circumstances
Klopp is exploiting what he's got brilliantly. Give him some windows to buy and give him a preseason to prepare his side. It'll likely come good.
This is an interesting one. I'm not sure he'd have gone to United. Not because Liverpool is a better job or anything like that; it's the fact that he's gone to a club who aren't currently at an elite level - a real project is required. There's money but not compared to the very richest clubs. This seems to attract Klopp.For the first time in my life, Liverpool have a manager I find really difficult to hate
Klopp would've been the perfect choice for us and we missed the boat
Winning the league with Liverpool would be a greater feat than doing it at United. Klopp wants to do it the hard way.
He will make Liverpool a top club again, no doubt. I love his passion, his encouragement, the way he celebrates, hugs his team. He's a good leader and probably a good listener. LVG is a dinosaur in comparison.
I know Liverpool fans like to romanticise pretty much everything, but I think it was far more of a right place at the right time thing. If the United job had been vacant last October, with Liverpool pressing on with Rodgers, and assuming Mourinho hadn't yet become available, then it's likely Klopp would've got a shot at the job here.
The project to get United back to title winners is almost as big as Liverpool's, and whilst it wouldn't be as big a title win as for Liverpool (due to the timescales since last win), the next manager to get United to win a title will be part of club legend.
Anyway, it won't be Klopp. Hopefully he never wins another league title again (in this country anyway). I think we've a better shot at league success with the other obvious candidate anyway.
Or he had effectively been sacked by his old club and was looking for a job.
Um, as far as I know, he resigned against the wishes of the club. @Sphaero will be able to correct me if I'm wrong.
It matters not, things went tits up at Dortmund for him and he was looking for a new job at the time things were going tits up for Rodgers at Liverpool.
I don't, a priori, prefer the Europa league. What I am saying is that I have a hard time imagining a cl campaign this year being equally enjoyable.
Yep, it all got rather unpleasant in the end. Sour departure - effectively sacked indeed.
You can't say something factually incorrect and then still claim to be right. He's a hero over there. One average season doesn't undo that.
I guess this is a total unknown, and you could be right, but Klopp does seem to have a profile that he pursues - Dortmund and Liverpool match that whereas United don't so much.
Yes that sample of two certainly suggests there's a very specific profile of club he would only choose to manage and nowhere else.
Maybe it's having You'll Never Walk Alone as the club's anthem which is the key determinant for him. Celtic next then when it goes tits up at 'pool.
What is that profile? what is the fundamental difference between United and Liverpool?
Like Bayern, United are topdogs, whereas Dortmund and Liverpool are underdogs. I guess it is something along these lines.
But United aren't a topdogs or a top level team, we are underdogs too and Liverpool have money. Liverpool and Dortmund don't have the same profile.
Edit: Liverpool are more like Wolfsburg a wealthy club, less wealthy than the very wealthy clubs while Dortmund had no money and were in danger of disappearing.
It's relative. Liverpool may be rich relative to Dortmund but United are supposed to be the biggest club in the world.
Well it's bigger than the sample of zero based on pure supposition.
About 20 odd years of winning a league. Liverpool win the league and it's very significant. United win the league and its revert to type.
Surely you wouldn't disagree that winning it at Liverpool would be a bigger challenge.
In my opinion, you are wrong. He joined Liverpool because it's a good club, with a good history and they offered him the job, nothing else.
Again it's the romanticised notion of Liverpool which probably bears most resemblance to Dortmund (underdogs, great atmosphere, passion, unequivocal support for team).
Of course, in this country, everyone knows the reality, that Anfield is largely a morgue apart from some contrived and cheesy set pieces early and late in games, the club have been profligate and mismanaged rather than true underdogs, and the fans turn on their team/manager with a fair degree of regularity.