Read what I said. That is what I am saying.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Read what I said. That is what I am saying.
Right. We agree then, my bad
That's probably why he thinks he can get away with trolling United fans constantly. The thing is, I for one love the mix of fans on here, and would never want it to turn into a United echo chamber, but rival fans need to remember this is still a United forum and be respectful of that. Dissent is fine, but wumming (or trolling) is not.
This is the best post on this topic. Fully agree.
No worries. I was trying to say his argument was beeing weakened by the strawman he created in his post. Not sure why I am helping a pool fan but I guess they can use all the help they can get
Agreed. I once had the audacity to have a dispute with some oppo fans who were trolling in the United forum. It seems we are far too left wing on this sort of problem now and if anyone dare challenge an oppo you're ostracised and told you're acting like RAWK.
As you said banter in the football forum is good but when the place has Football Association style double standards you begin to feel like Jose Mourinho.
For feck sake Klopper, it was clearly a joke. Not like you to bite, unlike the other halfwits.
Rules is rules and Liverpool were the best under said rules.
Similarly, if they abolished offside tomorrow, Inzaghi could come out of retirement and win the treble for someone.
Just tells you what everyone knows. Refs aren't fair. Everyone knows that seasoned Englishmen get lenier treatment from the refs. Young players that come on as subs get no chance.
Also shows that in incidents such as this there should be a motive of challenging, either during the game or after the game by the FA. This "ref dealt with it so we can't do anything about it" bullshit needs to stop.
You caught me out although it was early(ish) morning in my defence.
I'd probably take Inzaghi over Sturridge right now based on what the latter is serving up.
The reasoning that I've seen so far (mostly from Liverpool fans) is that he didn't physically touch him or swear and also apparently Swarbrick didn't care that much.
It's just double standards and inconcistency as usual. Rooney gets banned for swearing at a camera (who was that hurting, really?) but can tell the ref to feck off every game and they don't care.
What it boils down to is that the refs have complete authority at the time and since he wasn't sent off the FA can't do anything about it. Just messed up rules that have been heavily exposed as awful in every match day of football. The archaic executives won't do anything to change that however, despite the evidence of how effective the goal line technology and spray cans have been. In both those instances the similarities is consistency. When there's consistency like that no one can complain. But what we have now is ref in one game getting headputted by a player one game and doing nothing and in the other giving a red card because he shirt was lightly tugged. It's infuriating is what it is.
Yeah, it has to be balanced. And without getting too territorial, it's still our turf. I mean, it's genuinely a good thing to be welcoming, especially when we end up with the likes of Klopper76, but we don't need to go in the opposite direction and treat all rival fans as precious snowflakes (to use an unfortunate term in the current political climate).
Oh right
I'm glad Jose is calling out the hypocrisy of the officials on the "passion" quote, even though it will no doubt land him in trouble.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38836249
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38836249
If the opposite happened here Klopp would be accused of being bitter and obsessed.
But hey...
What Jose said was correct. Refs shouldn't be saying "I like your passion", they are there to enforce the rules, not to make friends. Carragher even said how he got away with red card incident because he knew that ref.
I can't believe I'm having a debate about the craft of influencing refs on a United forum.
Anyway...
It's rabidly denied on here, but there's no escaping the the fact that Klopp has a personality and lightness of touch that offers him leeway. It's obvious that Klopp has extremely good people skills. He may very well be sweetening refs in corridors before a matche etc. It's all part of the art of management. Jose (a superb manager) doesn't have those softer skills to the same extent. He also has a litany of bad behaviour as a backdrop. Whereas Klopp's backdrop is far more positive. Even when he's being "naughty" there's still a notion of charm about it. What I mean is that he's comedic in his antics and expression. I'm sure I'll get pelters on here for saying that but many outside of the rivalry would agree.
There's a strong argument to suggest that Jose is paying the consequences of being pretty damn unpleasant to officialls for the best part of a decade. Prejudice against him may not be overt but officials may subconsciously perceive him differently.
Is that entirely fair? Probably not. The bottle incident was a technicality (breached a law) rather than it being truly unfair. Harsh but not totally unreasonable if the letter of the law is kept to.
Whatever you said is maybe true but the fourth official saying "I like your passion" when the manager shouted at his face is very worrying.
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Not sure about that mate - I think Klopp is getting on the tits of us non-United fans as well because we're actually seeing that he isn't just this nicey nicey bloke all the time - the persona we were spoon fed when he was Dortmund manager - and he has a nasty streak in him that sometimes comes to the fore when things don't go the way he wants.
Indeed, it's way too friendly and familiar.
You're a direct rival as well tho and your judgement is probably influenced by that. Its the same with us and Pep - still like the guy but nowhere near as much as when he was at Barca.
Klopp was never a "nicey nicey bloke" - just look at him on the sidelines with Dortmund at times. If anything he was even wilder then. Don't think Klopp is nasty tho - wild, passionate, a bit crazy and OTT at times absolutely, and I can see (and love) how that would piss off rival fans.
True enough but I was thinking more of the United/Liverpool rivalry. You've got a point though - if we weren't challenging alongside Liverpool, I'd probably give less of a toss about his antics. As a casual observer from England though, I wasn't aware that he had those less palatable traits to him when he was at Dortmund.
Still unsure how he got away with screaming in the fourth officials face. If i was Mourinho i'd do the exact same thing in a few weeks just for sh*ts and giggles to see if i got fined or not.
That could be a bad idea.
That could be a bad idea.
He should, shout the same thing and apologise straight away, just to point out the double standards.
Cheers - nice gurning technique!
Hah, that's from Polish tv.
That clip has been pretty widely circulated by rival fans to show that Klopp isn't a nice guy quite a bit. I thought everyone would be aware of that by now!
Hull City 2:0 Liverpool
It's all falling apart for Jürgen!It was windy guys.
The Jurgen meltdown
1 win in 10 games. In a replay against League 2 side Plymouth Argyle. That ended 1-0.
Keown stuck the boot in on BT Sport when Hull scored their second
Called him a motivator and not a tactician.
Called him a motivator and not a tactician.
that is horrendous.Klopp "nobody can beat us".
Sure thing mate.
Sure thing mate.
Schooled by the young and talented portuguese.
HOOF
The Normal One win in 10 games.
They will now be so fresh though. 2 games in 28 days. That's what Klopp wanted..
What a complete fraud.
Liverpool are finished. Win tomorrow and zero in on Arsenal.