Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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I have now formally decided that this ''not having a plan B'' codswallop is / has been - much less of a problem to LFC than conceding very close to an average of 3 goals a game to Burnley, Bournemouth, Sunderland & Swansea. They might cheat & park the bus, but every time they get up the other end they score, innit?
Chelsea by six for me, Clive.
Chelsea by six for me, Clive.
To be fair, a lot of our fans are this way as well. While it is true that we have been trophy-laden in the last three decades, we also cannot deny that since SAF our club has hardly been challenging for top honours.
Yet when you see the criticisms and expectations levelled at the manager and players by many of our fans on this forum, it sometimes feels like Utd is entitled to be in the title race all the time and players and managers are automatically shit or frauds and need to be discarded if we aren't up there.
Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating that we continue to accept falling standards. My point is that Man Utd has gone through seismic changes in the last 3 years and we need to accept that it will take a new manager a while before we start to seriously and sustainably mount title challenges. It's always easier to fall than to climb up.
Anyway, apologies for digressing.
It's great that you'll have plenty of time now to concentrate on other things. The loss was really a win.
I get what you are saying, yes, there is a sense of entitlement among our fans too about being in the title race each season and challenging for top honors.But that's only natural. What I find bizzare about Pool fans is despite winning next to nothing in over a decade, they still want the best of em and talk as if it's ok to ditch other competitions in a bid to fuel their non existent title challenge each year.
Of course players state they want to go to a club playing in the Champions League. Every Premier League club plays in the FA and League cup so it is not a differentiator. I think it is managers rather than players who assign a lower priority to domestic cups. Players will want to perform well and win every game they play.
Win tonight and I expect a strong conclusion to the season. 15 games left in 4 months should be kind. Lose and it's a genuine fight for 4th or worse.
Game on...
Game on...
Milwall have beaten more PL sides in 2017 than Liverpool have.
I never thought a Liverpool manager would manage to be more arrogant in his stupidity than Rogers but he's doing a fine job
Oh I always have plenty of time - living in China most PL matches are on from midnight onwards so don't interfere with any daytime dalliances
As opposed to what? Game off?
Do you always look at the world through a kaleidoscope ? It seems to be pretty far from the reality of what people (inc. myself) are saying and doing. Seems like you just put your own spin on everything.Now you're just making straw men because you've been caught out. That's not what I claimed you said is it? I know you're prone to making outlandish claims about LFC but not even you are daft enough to claim to have three decent players in every position. Has any squad in the history of football had that i.e. 33 top players. What is clear is that you said you had decent cover for almost every position and that the squad depth was a strength of the club. Which was utter bollocks back then and even more evident now.
Actually you're only admitting you were wrong now you've been called out. The last few pages have been you pompously telling people stuff like "as I've said all along..."
That's why you deserve to be called out. It's not that you're wrong, that's fine, it's the way that you're wrong. Well done for admitting you were wrong though. Progress.
So fatigue won't be an issue but you're complaining about fixtures (which have been the same for everybody playing in the same competitions), and pretending to be happy to exit the cups? It doesn't add up. You clearly do think fatigue is or will be an issue if you're so worried about it that you'd happily forgo some tangible success (though I suspect this is just more bullshit). You're tying yourself up in knots here.
You also make 9 games in 30 days sound like it's some unprecedented gauntlet of fixtures. It's two games a week! Bread and butter in the modern game. One longterm injury (Coutinho) and a couple of AFCON absentees is hardly a crisis either. Especially when two of those should've been planned for.
Haha, that really is funny considering most of the caf dippers go into hiding after poor results and (outside the few guys who front up) these threads basically die a death until the official PR line has been formulated. Which this time seems to be "I'm happy we're completely f*cking up our season and throwing away any chance at silverware, because of fixtures and fatigue, but I'm definitely not worried about too many fixtures and fatigue, or something"
Unlike the caf dippers I'm here rain or shine. I have also given your side and Klopp lots of (maybe too much) credit this season. It is much funnier watching people like you squirm when your bullshit unravels though. Guilty.
Bob Paisley was vile, used to hide his egotism and hate behind a polite, quiet facade.
I guess
people will jump on the scousers in here for anything.I still really like the guy ( I know it wakes me up at nights sometimes just admitting it!). Look at what he's done with that shower down the M62! If LvG had "managed" that lot last season we'd probably have been relegated. Hope he fails miserably at 'Pool but he's definitely in the SAF mould when it comes to getting the most out of very little … so be careful!
I know it wakes me up at nights sometimes just admitting it!). Look at what he's done with that shower down the M62! If LvG had "managed" that lot last season we'd probably have been relegated. Hope he fails miserably at 'Pool but he's definitely in the SAF mould when it comes to getting the most out of very little … so be careful!I can understand what you are saying, but as I have mentioned jokingly before, what is the point for Liverpool to qualify for CL or EL if the idiot of a manager's belief that his poor dears cannot cope with playing more than once a week, because he wears them out with his pressing tactics. I know his comments are ridiculous, but if your team cannot cope with this many games you better give up on any European adventures.
I've always liked Klopp but he's really going out of his way to change my opinion of him.
Nah it will be yet another false dawn. You always beat Chelsea and Man City and then drop points to the likes of Sunderland, Bournemouth and Swansea.
Do you know who would top that? Ferguson managing us after Klopp.
nah Fergie was a winner
The way I see it, CL is never the biggest factor for transfers. You can't be 100% percent sure that players, especially the mid-level, would reject a club solely because they don't have CL football, too many things happen behind the scene.
You also can't be sure that domestic silverwares don't attract players anymore. Winning is a habit. Winning trophies regularly, even if they are all domestic cups, raises your reputation as a winner and gives you a better position when negotiating. You can promise them future glory, more than just a participation in CL. Top level football eventually would come if your club have that winning habit.
Don't put the blame on FA or the targetted players. Liverpool haven't been successful enough in the last decade to attract top talents today. Managers might have fielded weakened teams in cups but the fact is United, Arse, City and Chelsea have won them more than once in the last 10 years. That's why this self-entitlement among the scousers is mind-boggling.
Is it true that he will set some sort of record if they lose tonight? Losing 4 home games in a row, or something?
No, they'll match a 94 year old record if they do though.
"I only saw two goals, it was 1-1". Not turning this into a "yeah but Jose" debate, I honestly can't think of a top manager who hasn't done similar.
Pep's always irritable following losses and moans about second balls like they're a recent innovation, Wenger's go-to excuse is the ref (even when he's had a perfectly good game), Pochettino recently tried to deflect onto the Liverpool bench after their league cup defeat, Fergie's offered numerous absurdities including the classic "RVP could have been killed!" after dropping points....
All top managers try to deflect the glare off their team following a poor result and all of them are inherently bad losers. It's part of the reason they get to the top in the first place.
I had to actually google this so ended up on their website, so i'll send the eye soap bill to you.Who do they have after Chavski then
Tottenham is their next home game, but they have Hull away before that.
Yes. Though he's doing miracles with what we have he has left us exposed. But finish 4th and we have a good chance of rectifying that.
Yes, but Jose has a rep, Klopp doesn't and should. That's the difference.
You can't have the net spend trophy and "our squad was too thin to cope" excuse simultaneously.
It's patently obvious that selling too many players and not replacing them with the hope to utilise the academy will leave you short in the winter.
His net spend trophy is a pyrrhic victory if he falls out of the top and wins no other cup.
It's patently obvious that selling too many players and not replacing them with the hope to utilise the academy will leave you short in the winter.
His net spend trophy is a pyrrhic victory if he falls out of the top and wins no other cup.
Do you always look at the world through a kaleidoscope ? It seems to be pretty far from the reality of what people (inc. myself) are saying and doing. Seems like you just put your own spin on everything.
Get pulled up for saying stupid stuff, deny stupid stuff was said, have quote of you saying stupid stuff provided (word for word), continue to deny stupid stuff was ever said.
Are you Donald Trump?
You've got him there.
Binception.
Brendon's envelopes
You're having a mare. Keep it up it's making my Monday. Thanks Rafa
Rafa is a gift that keeps on giving, no Matter who uses the name
You would be absolutely right .. if this were to be our squad should we qualify for the CL/EL but quite obviously it won't. I' would expect to see possibly 5-6 players added with very few departures. Hopefully that, with the anticipated progress of some of our youngsters being blooded recently (and Grujic if he ever manages to get fit) will be enough to cope next season. Whatever happens, this clearly won't be our squad, or first team, next season.
Happily I'm making a contribution then, and some people are getting a kick out of it, unlike some others on this board.