Jude Bellingham | Signed for Madrid

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Belisarius said:
However, if we're disciplined for half a decade and word gets out that if you don't come when we ask then you won't come at all, then we'll start getting players at more reasonable fees. Of course, this is dependent on us getting back to a place where "when you leave United it's all down-hill". We may not be there at the moment. You're right about that. But, we won't get there by continuing to pay over-market fees and wages. Need to identify talent earlier and get it in at reasonable prices. If that means we have to stop signing English players for a few years while we re-establish our reputation post Woodward, so be it.
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No, what we need to do is make ourselves attractive for those young players. Not just by paying them a lot, but by looking like a club in which they are going to develop well. It's not just about us being good.

Even as a United fan, I would have steered clear of the club in recent years had I been a young player.
 
Amir said:
No, what we need to do is make ourselves attractive for those young players. Not just by paying them a lot, but by looking like a club in which they are going to develop well. It's not just about us being good.

Even as a United fan, I would have steered clear of the club in recent years had I been a young player.
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I don't think we'd struggle to convince young players. Bellingham and Haaland were the exception since Dortmund is an incredible coveted destination for young players, but I don't think we would have had to convince the Caicedos, Osimhens or the Kvaratskhelias to join us as youngsters. Clubs like Dortmund are also an attractive prospect for those young players because they realise they're a bit of a feeder club, so they realise they'd probably get a big move later on while getting plenty of playing time. That's something an elite club won't be able to promise.
 
I want to believe, but a german publication coming out with that the day after their best team gets trashed by an oil club. Also, he was never going to Chelsea or PSG anyways.
 
McGrathsipan said:
I really think there are better ways to spend the type of fee he would cost and i'd be very wary of players from Dortmund and the bundesliga. Weve been stung 3 times with flops from that team
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Yep. That sort of player always looks good in the lower intensity of international football and Bundesliga. Not to say he won't be good in the PL but we've had too many flops to risk it for the money quoted. Plus hes in a position we don't really need to strengthen.
 
Kaos said:
I don't think we'd struggle to convince young players. Bellingham and Haaland were the exception since Dortmund is an incredible coveted destination for young players, but I don't think we would have had to convince the Caicedos, Osimhens or the Kvaratskhelias to join us as youngsters. Clubs like Dortmund are also an attractive prospect for those young players because they realise they're a bit of a feeder club, so they realise they'd probably get a big move later on while getting plenty of playing time. That's something an elite club won't be able to promise.
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It's not just about playing time. It's about good coaching. Which we couldn't offer in recent seasons. For a player focused on improving himself as a footballer, United wouldn't have been the most attractive option.

Sure, some young players would jump at the first big club and big money offer they've got, even if they had "a Dortmund" waiting in the wings. Also, even if you go to Dortmund (or another club like that), there is no guarentee your career won't stall or that you won't suffer a serious injury or something.
 
dwd said:
Still think he ends up at the dippers
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Don't think they have the £100m+ to get him. If they do have it then I think they would prefer to upgrade a few more spots than just 1 CM.
 
Amir said:
No, what we need to do is make ourselves attractive for those young players. Not just by paying them a lot, but by looking like a club in which they are going to develop well. It's not just about us being good.

Even as a United fan, I would have steered clear of the club in recent years had I been a young player.
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At the time he was making his decision we had recently brought through Rashford, McTominay and Greenwood from our academy. Lingard before that. I think an ambitious young player could see a way through to our first team. But, he wouldn't be looking at getting 350,000 / week at age 20 or 21.

He chose to take a short-cut to big wages. Good for him. But, he should have to do it away from United.
 
Bondi77 said:
The whole point of going to Dortmund is to go and play regularly in a very open league so a creative player can express himself and fool clubs in England or Spain to pay an absolute fortune for their services....When will clubs wise up :eek:
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This 100%
 
Belisarius said:
At the time he was making his decision we had recently brought through Rashford, McTominay and Greenwood from our academy. Lingard before that. I think an ambitious young player could see a way through to our first team. But, he wouldn't be looking at getting 350,000 / week at age 20 or 21.

He chose to take a short-cut to big wages. Good for him. But, he should have to do it away from United.
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Choosing Borussia Dortmund over Manchester United being a "shortcut to big wages" is one hell of a reach, congrats!
 
JJ12 said:
Casemiro Bellingham
Bruno

Casemiro playing predominantly deep with Bellingham B2B and Bruno floating as he usually does

Sounds good in theory
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None of them dictate play though. It can work but it has weaknesses.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Someone explain to me how he fits in at the club?
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Ball carrying creative midfielder who does lots of damage in the final third.

He could also slot in perfectly for Bruno at the 10 with him playing deeper like he has been lately. Bruno taking to that role as well as he has makes me feel it would be a better fit than I initially imagined.

If a talent like him is available, you can find ways to make it work in my opinion
 
Siorac said:
Choosing Borussia Dortmund over Manchester United being a "shortcut to big wages" is one hell of a reach, congrats!
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Do you think Sancho would be getting 350,000 / week if he had stayed in the City academy instead of going to Dortmund? Of course it's a short cut to big wages.
 
P-Nut said:
I don't think there's many overlooking him, its more that for the money he's going to cost we have much bigger priorities
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Yeah makes you worry where we are shopping for a striker if we are considering getting involved
 
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Appletonred said:
Prefer Utd to offer 75m for De Jong who is superior to Bellingham and more the type of player we need, if he can be persuaded.
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Amazed Erik hasn't given up on him yet,also when is the penny gonna drop with Utd we need someone to partner and cover Casa instead of two separate players
 
Belisarius said:
Do you think Sancho would be getting 350,000 / week if he had stayed in the City academy instead of going to Dortmund? Of course it's a short cut to big wages.
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It's a shortcut to getting first team football at an age where that's absolutely crucial for development. That only leads to big wages if they then do well enough to attract the interest of the richest clubs.

The idea that young players are going to Dortmund for the money is so ridiculous on so many levels that it takes my breath away.
 
pascell said:
For the fees quoted we could get Caicedo and another CM, possibly for the same wages too.

Yes he's top quality already but our CM options when Eriksen and Casemiro aren't available make our play suffer too much, we can't allow that next season.
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Yeah that is the more sensible approach because then you have someone who can play a 6/8 in Caicedo and you either keep Sabitzer or sign Kokcu to give us something too.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah that is the more sensible approach because then you have someone who can play a 6/8 in Caicedo and you either keep Sabitzer or sign Kokcu to give us something too.
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Would love Caicedo but he won't come cheap either. They rejected 70 for him over the winter so hard to see him going for less than 75-80 this summer
 
I could understand this if we had someone already able to slot in and cover Casa,however we don't so makes no sense with that bloody big hole
 
Belisarius said:
At the time he was making his decision we had recently brought through Rashford, McTominay and Greenwood from our academy. Lingard before that. I think an ambitious young player could see a way through to our first team. But, he wouldn't be looking at getting 350,000 / week at age 20 or 21.
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It's not about seeing a way to the first team. It's about improving while you are there. Rashford's career stuttered for years, I can't say McTominay has improved much over the years and let's not talk about Lingard. Rashford, Martial, Pogba - those were prime examples for excellent talents who struggled to really improve at United.

Belisarius said:
He chose to take a short-cut to big wages. Good for him. But, he should have to do it away from United.
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Saying no to United and going to Dortmund is anything BUT taking a short cut.
 
Belisarius said:
Do you think Sancho would be getting 350,000 / week if he had stayed in the City academy instead of going to Dortmund? Of course it's a short cut to big wages.
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Choosing between City's academy and Dortmund is slightily different to choosing between Dortmund and United buying you.
 
Rolaholic said:






Tbf, Pogba did do it for France as well :lol:
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The only thing Bellingham has over Pogba is his energy off the ball, which is obviously a big feature in the modern game. Everything else, such as passing, vision, ball control, shooting, dribbling, strength, etc, Pogba was, and probably still is better at.

It's funny because, as United fans, we were all screaming out for a specialist defensive midfielder to play next to Pogba. We now have Casemiro, who would have been perfect.

I mean, we saw little glimpses of what Bruno, Pogba and Matic produced for a short spell under Ole. I'm inclined to think we'd have seen a more consistent and well drilled Pogba next to Casemiro under ten Hag's management, but it wasn't meant to be.

Bellingham, at the tender age of 19, can only improve, and he's already such an all-rounded midfielder. I do have my reservations on his ability to build play, but I think ten Hag could certainly work on that.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
The only thing Bellingham has over Pogba is his energy off the ball, which is obviously a big feature in the modern game. Everything else, such as passing, vision, ball control, shooting, dribbling, strength, etc, Pogba was, and probably still is better at.

It's funny because, as United fans, we were all screaming out for a specialist defensive midfielder to play next to Pogba. We now have Casemiro, who would have been perfect.

I mean, we saw little glimpses of what Bruno, Pogba and Matic produced for a short spell under Ole. I'm inclined to think we'd have seen a more consistent and well drilled Pogba next to Casemiro under ten Hag's management, but it wasn't meant to be.

Bellingham, at the tender age of 19, can only improve, and he's already such an all-rounded midfielder. I do have my reservations on his ability to build play, but I think ten Hag could certainly work on that.
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Too many excuses were made for Pogba. It wasn’t down to who he was played with or the system he played in, it was predominantly down to him.
 
Rolaholic said:






Tbf, Pogba did do it for France as well :lol:
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Last quote is crazy. What has Bellingham done for England? I don't even remember him being a top 5 player for us at the World Cup.
 
what i said in the CF thread about kane is doubly true here for bellingham. Even if he wanted to come here for the price id rather be able to bring in 2-3 midfielders. Scout well and easily can get much more production from those players than the one from bellingham. Ill take the more dart throws vs the one big chance on bellingham. Could hypothetically get a Case backup, a starter to play next to case, and then another rotation/up and coming option in midfield for the price of bellingham if we target the right players
 
Bellingham has some very obvious strengths - he's mobile, strong, and is really good at carrying the ball.

He doesn't do a significant amount for us in the sort of first third/middle of the pitch in terms of ball retention and making us a more possession oriented side for bigger games, though.

If he has that much of a desire for him, I guess ten Hag wants to go all in to become a transition side who are incredible potent on the counter. Casemiro, Bellingham, Bruno, Rashford + a potential Osimhen type striker would be a whole bunch of starting players who are devastating in counter attacking states of play.
 
FerociousCorgis said:
what i said in the CF thread about kane is doubly true here for bellingham. Even if he wanted to come here for the price id rather be able to bring in 2-3 midfielders. Scout well and easily can get much more production from those players than the one from bellingham. Ill take the more dart throws vs the one big chance on bellingham. Could hypothetically get a Case backup, a starter to play next to case, and then another rotation/up and coming option in midfield for the price of bellingham if we target the right players
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Doesn't need to be a seperate Casa backup and starter,ideally get someone like Caicedo who is able to play either position
 
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