Juan Seba Veron

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Verons performance on tuesday, truly world class at times!! Do u think he can keep it up in the prem aswell as champions league?? or do u think his form will dip again?? I really do think he was class on tue and quite a bit just recently???? your veiws??
 
Veron: "I have put my lack of form from last season behind me and this is time for a fresh start.
"The good thing about football is that you always have a second chance to put things right and gain some revenge for the season just gone.
"Personally, I have to concentrate on working hard to put things right. If you work hard and try to play the way you know you can, finally you will get the result.
"Class and hard work will always tell in the end."
 
he'll be good in europe for you, particularly when keane isn't in the side, but in the domestic games he'll continue to be peripheral.
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>he'll be good in europe for you, particularly when keane isn't in the side, but in the domestic games he'll continue to be peripheral.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He gets plenty of time and space in Europe - not in the Premiership. That's his biggest problem.
 
Originally posted by the reporter:
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He gets plenty of time and space in Europe - not in the Premiership. That's his biggest problem.</strong><hr></blockquote>


absolutely correct. and he doesn't seem able to adapt his game to either a) the premiership pace or b) europe when keane's in the team and veron isn't playing midfield general. . .
 
aye veron looked great, deffo worth 28m, looks like hes settled in


after a season and a world cup <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by toml:
<strong>aye veron looked great, deffo worth 28m, looks like hes settled in


after a season and a world cup <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

do you ever say anything sensible?
 
Originally posted by the reporter:
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He gets plenty of time and space in Europe - not in the Premiership. That's his biggest problem.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know the premier is still too fast for him, hopefully with time he will get used to it and start performing in the prem aswell. All that with him not performing when Keanes playing i think is to do with confidence, i think he feels a bit intimidated and under alot more pressure???
 
If Veron is world class player he will have adapt to the pace of the Premiership and quickly.He has had a season to adjust,now is the time.World class players should have no problems making space to perform,in fact it an ability which epitomises the nature of being "World Class"Hopefully Veron can show us that ablity and more during the course of this season
 
What the problem here then.

Veron has played well in every game this season. O.k, at times he is not setting the world alight, but he is playing well. Scored a few, and quite a few assists.

He is hardly struggling, unlike Owen.....
 
Isn't adaptation a gradual process? It looks to me that Seba has gotten more decisive since he arrived. He plays his passes a lot quicker, and he doesn't keep the ball as long. He now takes one look instead of two. Looks like improvement to me.

At any rate it shows he's working hard... Hopefully the progress will continue.
 
Dont get to excited Greek football is crap, notice they dont even play in the world cup?.

Also that team hasnt beaten a team outside of greece for 17 games.

Lets see veron do that on a consistant basis before we start saying he's coming good. The fact is he has a long way to go before he can be considered a world class player.
 
He can only play against the team put in front of him. He's played well in the last few games.
Its a bit unfair to say 'yeah he had a great game but it was only Olympiakos' (or however the feck its spelt)

His form is improving. It took Ruud a couple of months before he really started scoring. It's just taken Seba longer to settle
 
Originally posted by zippy:
<strong>Dont get to excited Greek football is crap, notice they dont even play in the world cup?.

Also that team hasnt beaten a team outside of greece for 17 games.

Lets see veron do that on a consistant basis before we start saying he's coming good. The fact is he has a long way to go before he can be considered a world class player.</strong><hr></blockquote>

England are the width of a goalpost better than Greece y your ingenious grading system.
Had Veron played shite you nd other idiots would have slated him, he ply brillint and youe are still not happy

<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
 
Originally posted by Murt:
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England are the width of a goalpost better than Greece y your ingenious grading system.
Had Veron played shite you nd other idiots would have slated him, he ply brillint and youe are still not happy

<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

How do you figure england are the width of a goalpost better than greece? (and is that good or bad!) i would say they are more like the width of a football field better.

Of course im happy that united won and that seba scored, im just not convinced that he is going to be a consistantly decent united player.

Hope he proves me wrong though.
 
Originally posted by zippy:
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How do you figure england are the width of a goalpost better than greece? (and is that good or bad!) i would say they are more like the width of a football field better.
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Don't you watch World Cup qualifiers?
 
Originally posted by benny:
<strong>If Veron is world class player he will have adapt to the pace of the Premiership and quickly.He has had a season to adjust,now is the time.World class players should have no problems making space to perform,in fact it an ability which epitomises the nature of being "World Class"Hopefully Veron can show us that ablity and more during the course of this season</strong><hr></blockquote>

Platini said that all player makers will find it hard in England coz they get less time on the ball...he said that he would've found it difficult to settle down here... thats a interesting statement from one of the greatest players ever.

In italy its different(or was different) strikers find it very difficult to settle in, ian rush was a prime example of a great striker, failing in the world greatest league.. forwards, find it easy to score in england, the english league is generally regarded as the best place to go for strikers.... platini said so ;)
 
Originally posted by zippy:
<strong>How do you figure england are the width of a goalpost better than greece? (and is that good or bad!) i would say they are more like the width of a football field better.</strong><hr></blockquote>


<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>The more confidence he gets, the better he'll be.</strong><hr></blockquote>

On £50,000 a week he should be producing the goods from day 1 not after 2 seasons.
 
Originally posted by stoned.rose:
<strong>On £50,000 a week he should be producing the goods from day 1 not after 2 seasons.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Again, Seba was one of several players who underperformed last season. If anything he should be given more leeway than the others, seeing as hes new.
 
Originally posted by Murt:
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Again, Seba was one of several players who underperformed last season. If anything he should be given more leeway than the others, seeing as hes new.</strong><hr></blockquote>

why , because he cost more??
 
Seems a few on this board (and elsewhere) expected greater things from Veron because of his price. Juan can't help what we willingly paid for him. He's a different type of player, and I'm happy we've got him.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Seems a few on this board (and elsewhere) expected greater things from Veron because of his price. Juan can't help what we willingly paid for him. He's a different type of player, and I'm happy we've got him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So am i, but with his price tag,reputation he really should improve for our sake aswell his???
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Seems a few on this board (and elsewhere) expected greater things from Veron because of his price. Juan can't help what we willingly paid for him. He's a different type of player, and I'm happy we've got him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well price tag is only the minor factor. Fans DO have a high expectation on him because:
1. His reputation. He is hailed as one of the best midfielder in the world.
2. Our situation. We are said to have one of the best midfield in the world even before Veron came. Therefore if he couldn't perform better than the original midfielders we have, or he couldn't add something new to us, there is no point for us to get him.

And the high expectation is not unfair at all. It happens on every big transfer in the world. I don't think Real's fans expectation on Zidane is any less than our expectation on Veron, yet Zidane overcome it by his quick settle after the first few months, and by his breath-taking performance in winning the CL for Real. That may be the true difference between a "great" player and a "good" player.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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And the high expectation is not unfair at all. It happens on every big transfer in the world. I don't think Real's fans expectation on Zidane is any less than our expectation on Veron, yet Zidane overcome it by his quick settle after the first few months, and by his breath-taking performance in winning the CL for Real. That may be the true difference between a "great" player and a "good" player.</strong><hr></blockquote>

easier for a player maker to settle in Spain than England....

and u know it.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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easier for a player maker to settle in Spain than England....

and u know it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That may be true, as Pires also took one year to settle here. So let's hope Veron can really settle down and meet the expectations on him this season.
 
Have to agree with MancfromManc confidence is key, and though I am a die hard Keane fan, as any of my posts will testify I am glad thet Veron has had the chance to grow into himself while Roy has been out. If these two men could form a partnership we would win the CL 3 out of the next 4 years, interesting times ahead. Nowadays I think Utd play like a European team even in the PL and I think we get caught for it.

Would Utd fans be happy to finish top 4 PL but be thereabouts in the top 2 in the CL. Not saying its a case of either or but there is a dilemma there none the less given the way we play,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
Originally posted by seanoc:
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Would Utd fans be happy to finish top 4 PL but be thereabouts in the top 2 in the CL. Not saying its a case of either or but there is a dilemma there none the less given the way we play,,,,,,,,,,,,</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would. I see us as being able to compete with the great European teams on a level that no other English team can. Besides, as all Liverpool fans will remind you, Davo in particular, they have won more European Cups than we have. I think we've got a prouder European tradition than Liverpool, and we would have more cups than them if not for 58. We should really try to put things right.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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'seeing as he's new'

where did cost come into murts post?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It didn't it's just he replyed to one that that did ;)
 
Veron was singled out last season as an under-performer. but lets face it, a lot of players had a poor season last year.
He's an easy target because of the price tag, but this year he's been 100% better. He seem to have adapted to the pace of the game and he look like he's playing with confidence and looks to be enjoying his football
 
it all comes down to his price. Veron can have an off night (along with say...Keane and Giggs) and 9 times out of 10, Seba will take the blame from the fans. ie. Things were normal when Scholes was playing conistently.
 
Good to see Seba having a great game, but I am not sure that he and Keano will ever be as successful partnership as their skills on paper would suggest (I hope I am wrong).
 
Keane and Seba will struggle when playing together because they both like to control the game. They both want the play going through them. It's unfortunate but thats the way it goes.
 
Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
<strong>Keane and Seba will struggle when playing together because they both like to control the game. They both want the play going through them. It's unfortunate but thats the way it goes.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that this, in fact is part of the problem. Fans have/are not so much 'blaming' Veron for everything that goes wrong, but are really just concerned that he is 'not fitting in', united fans have the best interests of the club at heart, even when they talk in a negative manner about players its because they think they can see a problem and bring it up becuase;

a; they wonder if anyone else thinks the same thing, and,

b; if there is a problem they want to put a bit of pressure on so that it gets fixed.

Ultimately, i think there is a feeling of doubt/concern among many united fans with Veron, but its not yet at the point where he's getting booed at games and everyone wants him sold - everyone wants him to do well, even those that say he's not fitting in, and, most are prepared to give him quite a bit more time to prove himself, so i dont think veron can complain to much about any flack that has come his way because most of it has been fair comment.

Those defending him say 'forget the price tag'. Im sorry, but when you spend 27m on a player you simply cant forget the price tag, this is not monopoly money we are spending here, this is real cashola!. If you take the attitude of 'forget the price tag' on every player you buy you'l soon be up shit creek. Football is a business, and players are your assets, when a 27m asset is not doing the business you simply have to be concerned about it.