Poor Mata, will most likely face being sold by same same manager at 2 different clubs.
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Apparently he played in every single Premier League game this season, surely the only player of ours to do so?
I remember a few months ago he was being framed as one of the 'victims' of LVG - surely this is a myth which needs to be dispelled. LVG seemed to have a lot of faith in him, even if he played him out of position or in a system which wasn't quite suited to his talents.
I remember a few months ago he was being framed as one of the 'victims' of LVG - surely this is a myth which needs to be dispelled. LVG seemed to have a lot of faith in him, even if he played him out of position or in a system which wasn't quite suited to his talents.
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Yeah I was wondering about that, you originally said it was inferior to Depay and Herrera... which I knew couldn't be right.
I had the wrong stats for cup ties. Even those times/stats above are approximate for FA and league cups when a player was substituted on or off.
Yep. 34 starts, 4 sub appearances. The closest to him are Blind and Smalling on 35 each.
so isnt this the reason people say he is compromised?
7 yellows and a red as a winger? The guy has anger issues.
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Sample sizes bias? Only Martial has played comparably same minutes as Mata.
Mourinho won't sell him.
People to need to get away from this idea that Mata was sold because he didn't work hard defensively (Which wasn't even true iirc). This is the same guy who had no issues in playing Ozil at Madrid. His attacking play was something Jose had a bigger issue with and he seemed to prefer quicker, more athletic players for that role.
I don't see him being a regular starting XI player though. LVG found a way to fit him in the team by playing him out wide (Albeit he almost almost always ended up in central positions anyway). Mourinho won't play him there so he's in for tougher competition. Wouldn't surprise me if he tried playing Herrera instead in a Lampard sort of role.
People to need to get away from this idea that Mata was sold because he didn't work hard defensively (Which wasn't even true iirc). This is the same guy who had no issues in playing Ozil at Madrid. His attacking play was something Jose had a bigger issue with and he seemed to prefer quicker, more athletic players for that role.
I don't see him being a regular starting XI player though. LVG found a way to fit him in the team by playing him out wide (Albeit he almost almost always ended up in central positions anyway). Mourinho won't play him there so he's in for tougher competition. Wouldn't surprise me if he tried playing Herrera instead in a Lampard sort of role.
If I was watching this as an outsider I'd think mata had a great season playing as a #10.
I wonder if Mkhitaryan means the end of Mata at United.
I wouldn't be too fussed if he's sold, personally. Great little player but I never thought he was a good fit for United.
Not surprise. Always a player who is good at picking his moment, but doesn't really influent the whole game too often. Very similar to the Rooney in SAF last year, Moyes season.
Can't help but like the guy. He has come up with the goods when we've needed it on numerous occasions.
If we were to sell him today we would get embarrassing money like 18m euro, perhaps 25m euro for a package of him and Fellaini. I rather let him go on a free than have that humiliation.
I think the problem as been we've had soooo many players who arguably their best position is 10 when we don't really play with one....
More like many incompatible players being put together and a (former) manager who played a style that suits very few players!
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Saw a surprising stat that Mata has many goals for us as he had for Chelsea in a pretty identical number of games... Dispels the myth I've always had that he was more effective for them than he has been for us
Wouldn't argue that either....
I thought we've moved away from this buzzword.
There has been no link with any club. There was an article by Steve Bates last week saying Mou will give him a chance. At least, he will not get rid immediately.
He is as good as anyone in our team for the last 3 years in term of goal/assist output.
But something about him does not make people like him here. I myself think he is a bit too weak for no 10 in EPL. That and new toys being outshining him in transfer market etc.
That's not to say we couldn't create a system around him to bypass his weakness but is he that good? Not sure. I would still like Jose giving him a chance this season and see. We really don't need to get rid of decent players of the squad in a hurry atm.
I didn't know anything about that. I believe there are far worse words out there we should deal with in that case.
He played a slightly different role for us most of the time, further forward with the accent on his goalscoring (especially at the beginning). I'm pretty sure that his assists numbers aren't close to his Chelsea times.
I think it is pretty much opposite with his playing positions. He plays deeper/wider for us than he did with Chelsea.
His goals and assists tend to mask mediocre performances whilst his general play was a lot better at Chelsea, with slightly less clinical ability in front of goal.
If you are contributing for goals and assists like that, you are good. He has been decent for us. There is no doubt about it. You would wish the likes of Ander would put numbers like he does.
The reason his general play looked shit is that well our overall general play was shit for the last 3 years. It is not like other players were outperfoming him in the midfield or wings bar Martial.
He looked a safe player to me which frustrated me a bit but then again it could well be down to the system we have been playing. His passing and thru balls were generally good when we had spaces up front. I would wait one more season and see how he plays in a bit different system.
I'm not talking about position but about the role. In Chelsea, Mata was their main playmaker, with us (especially under Moyes) he is much more focused at the goalscoring. That's my take on it at least, maybe I'm just wrong though.
This is very wrong. It's not all down to the system in Mata case. Play making requires touch/control, dribbling skill, quick feet, agility ,... Mata for most part is final ball, shoot only. He is slow, weak, slow turn. His control in tight angle is not top class. He's not true play maker for us. We have seen enough.
The way you describe Mata's goodness is also fit the Rooney in SAF later years. Who brought great goals and stats playing second forward. You can tell Rooney role apart from true #10 play in Sneijder, Ozil easily.
Have you seen Mata's touch and control? He can't dribble for sure. Lack of agility, strength, sure.
You should watch our games a bit more careful and closer if you think Mata's close control, touch are shit. He is the best we have in our squad.
Touch of play maker. Compare Mata to David Silva. Learn to distinguish play maker touch vs just touch. Why if someone disagree then you associate the opinion with the term can't?
What is touch of play maker?
Mata's close control and technique in tight spaces is excellent... it's one of the strongest bit of his game. His weakness comes when he's faced up with a player, as he can't really dribble past them, but when defenders get tight to him is excellent touch, quick feet and close control generally allow him to turn away from them.
Silva was much worse then Mata this season, not even close. It seems like you're criticising him for not being the same player as Silva.
Gonna have to disagree here. Mata may not be much in your book but to criticise his first touch is just ridiculous!
So basically you are saying it is first touch, close control? Silva has been better overall in EPL no doubt. But to say that Mata close control and first touch are shit is a bit ridiculous. He has them as good as anyone in EPL. Also mata is all about final ball which is eh play making? And shoot only? hello? football is all about scoring. Not to make hollywood passes around all day. no?
Mata's first touch is arguably the best at the club.
Anyway, he's been tweeting United stuff lately. If he was surplus, surely he would have been told by now?
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