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2014-15 Performances


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10
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Im not impressed with this 4-3-3. Go back to 4-4-2 diamond.

RVP-----Rooney

Mata

Di Maria-----Fellaini

Carrick

Shaw-----Blind-----Jones-----Rafael​

How about trying a diamond with Mata properly up front with ADM through the middle and Herrera in Fellaini's place. McNair at the back and Blind as DM...

----------------------DDG----------------------
Rafael------Jones----------McNair------Shaw
----------------------Blind----------------------
------Carrick---------------------Herrera------
-----------------------ADM----------------------
-----------Rooney--------------Mata-----------
 
I think Mata should be used sorely in attacking areas where his movement and goalscoring will be most dangerous. I agree with people who are suggesting Mata as one of the two forwards with Rooney deeper. The no.10 in the diamond has too much defensive responsibility for his skillset. That said I think a lack of balls is what has held him back in his poor outings before. The Mata that played during Rooney's suspension wouldn't have hit those two shots, one that hit the post and the goal, that had nothing to do with his position.
 
His goal record for us is very good, for me he should be starting every match as he's too good to be left out.
 
Mata should definitely be in the team with Di Maria and Herrera with Rooney playing as a striker until Falcao or RvP shows any sort of form. Carrick and the excellent Blind can be holding players.

Agreed, I'm also happy that Blind is getting the recognition for his solid displays so far.
 
What was so different yesterday was the clear effort he was making to directly affect the game. Off the ball as well you could see him busting a gut to close people down and track back. He really tried hard to have a positive impact on the game, which was good to see as we have seen him coasting by a bit, in recent games.
 
What was so different yesterday was the clear effort he was making to directly affect the game. Off the ball as well you could see him busting a gut to close people down and track back. He really tried hard to have a positive impact on the game, which was good to see as we have seen him coasting by a bit, in recent games.
Yeah, that was definitely the biggest difference and yesterday showed the type of player he was for Chelsea, actually having an impact in games. For us for the most part, it was scoring a few taps ins, free kicks and just coasting through games doing little simple passes but not really busting a gut to make a real impact ever. Everyone knows he has it in him to be a class player, he just wasn't doing enough to warrant a spot. If he shows the desire he had yesterday to get on the ball, make things happen, then he'll very quickly become a key player and be seen as a world class player again. Very encouraging.

Hopefully he keeps his spot vs Arsenal now, even if it is on the right or left of a 4-1-4-1. He lacks pace, but if he plays out wide he basically adds another man in the middle by drifting inwards, and would give us more control on the ball and just more quality overall, as well as combining with Di maria. I criticized him a lot this season for basically going hiding in every game, even the QPR game he didn't do much, and I had the opinion that he was going to be sold in January or next summer. If he continues in the same vein as his sub appearance then there's no reason why he won't be a key player.
 
He definitely looked like he had a point to prove yesterday, he was a lot more proactive then we've seen for a while. Hope it continues.
 
Mata had a good cameo against Crystal Palace and made us more fluid in possession. I think the fact that he played out on the right meant that he didn't need to drop deep into midfield like he did against Chelsea and West Brom. Also, this match clearly demonstrated that, whenever he plays higher up the pitch, he is much more effective than playing deeper. By playing on the right against Crystal Palace, the attacking freedom he had allowed us to play at a better tempo than we did in the first half. Plus, he's done very well in tracking back as well.

I think it's pretty obvious by now that he's at his best when playing an attacking role high up the pitch. He was always at his best for Chelsea whenever he was in and around the final third whilst circulating possession in deeper areas. I don't think he can ever be a playmaker who can dictate our pace, tempo, and rhythm along with providing passes to players in dangerous areas. However, by playing him in the final third, his creativity, directness, and technique can be great at breaking down teams and getting goals. Still, though, he will need movement around him to open up spaces for him to be effective in. Unlike Silva, he's not that great at playing in tight spaces.
 
Mata had a good cameo against Crystal Palace and made us more fluid in possession. I think the fact that he played out on the right meant that he didn't need to drop deep into midfield like he did against Chelsea and West Brom.

I agree. He played a lot on the right of a front three during his best season with Chelsea. It allows him more space and freedom when he roams inside.
 
I agree. He played a lot on the right of a front three during his best season with Chelsea. It allows him more space and freedom when he roams inside.

Not only that, but he wasn't required to dictate play as well. It allowed him to put more focus on being effective in the final third than deeper in midfield.
 
I still think his best position at Chelsea was through the middle and playing in a floating position. This allowed him to pop up everywhere in the final third (and attack the space :wenger:), whether be it right or left. It was just that the players at Chelsea at that time kept on pulling an attacker with them which allowed Mata to show up near the penalty box with the ball and that's where he did his thing and hurt the opposition more. Our problem with the Diamond is that we have Rooney-RvP, both of whom are keen on dropping deep.

It's amazing that we have an attacking talent consisting of di Maria, Rooney, RvP, Mata but can't accommodate all of them together.
 
I still think his best position at Chelsea was through the middle and playing in a floating position. This allowed him to pop up everywhere in the final third (and attack the space :wenger:), whether be it right or left. It was just that the players at Chelsea at that time kept on pulling an attacker with them which allowed Mata to show up near the penalty box with the ball and that's where he did his thing and hurt the opposition more. Our problem with the Diamond is that we have Rooney-RvP, both of whom are keen on dropping deep.

It's amazing that we have an attacking talent consisting of di Maria, Rooney, RvP, Mata but can't accommodate all of them together.

Forgot Falcao too. It really is as if a 7 year old was playing Football Manager, just buying his random favorite players but still losing every game.
 
Forgot Falcao too. It really is as if a 7 year old was playing Football Manager, just buying his random favorite players but still losing every game.
I intentionally left him out as he still hasn't played as many games/settled in the side.

Also, we aren't losing. We are just finding our way. Still.
 
it's not like he's not still playing quite a bit, though. One of our strikers will inevitably always be injured and I'd certainly take him over RvP anyway, doesn't make much sense to sell him.
 
Unfortunately, Mata, just like Kagawa have been subdued because of Rooney. For some reason, we refuse to play Rooney as a no. 9, therefore players like Kagawa/Mata are benched, they lose their swag and confidence and look like shadows of the players they once were.
 
If he goes we won't get anything like £37m, that's for sure.

Given the teams that'd most likely be in for him - the likes of Valencia and Atletico most likely - I'd expect a €20m price tag. I'd expect him to be back to world class level at Atletico.
 
Given the teams that'd most likely be in for him - the likes of Valencia and Atletico most likely - I'd expect a €20m price tag. I'd expect him to be back to world class level at Atletico.
Yeah I'd say probably around the £20-23m ish mark will be about it. As usual we're making it pretty obvious we want to sell.
 
Yeah I'd say probably around the £20-23m ish mark will be about it. As usual we're making it pretty obvious we want to sell.
Chelsea made it fairly obvious too yet look what we paid them. We're just a bit rubbish at this whole selling players thing. If multiple clubs are interested in him we should really be pushing for higher than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we just loaned him to Valencia instead, just in case we need him next season or anything. We seem to love doing that.
 
Chelsea made it fairly obvious too yet look what we paid them. We're just a bit rubbish at this whole selling players thing.

We're not too clever when it comes to buying either.
 
Chelsea made it fairly obvious too yet look what we paid them. We're just a bit rubbish at this whole selling players thing. If multiple clubs are interested in him we should really be pushing for higher than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we just loaned him to Valencia instead, just in case we need him next season or anything. We seem to love doing that.
Chelsea sold him to rivals when he was still coming from the best season of his career that ended just 6 months before. Now he's had 18 average months and we won't be selling to a rival. £37m was a decent price BTW, it's a going rate for top players plus tax for him crossing between one rival to another.
 
Chelsea sold him to rivals when he was still coming from the best season of his career that ended just 6 months before. Now he's had 18 average months and we won't be selling to a rival.
Dunno about that, wouldn't be surprised if we gave him to Arsenal 'out of respect' right as we're in the middle of fighting for fourth place with them.
 
Chelsea made it fairly obvious too yet look what we paid them. We're just a bit rubbish at this whole selling players thing. If multiple clubs are interested in him we should really be pushing for higher than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we just loaned him to Valencia instead, just in case we need him next season or anything. We seem to love doing that.
Yeah in a one horse race for a player who couldn't get a sniff of Chelsea's team we managed to overpay massively. That's what desperation does.
 
Dunno about that, wouldn't be surprised if we gave him to Arsenal 'out of respect' right as we're in the middle of fighting for fourth place with them.

Arsenal don't need him at all, they have Ozil and Cazorla who occupy the same places. The ship has sailed when Ozil moved to them unless they sell Ozil somewhere (Bayern?).
 
Yeah in a one horse race for a player who couldn't get a sniff of Chelsea's team we managed to overpay massively. That's what desperation does.
We absoutely didn't need him at the time too and Moyes had no idea where to fit him, just like van Gaal currently. Rooney plays where he wants to play and if that's the space Mata is supposed to occupy then we'll just drop Mata like we dropped Kagawa. Not that I'm impressed with Mata's performances here, he's been effective at best.
 
What we should be doing is playing Di Maria or Herrera behind Rooney, actually. LvG should grow some balls and drop both Mata and RvP.
Ummm, in the midfield Diamond? I'm not sure whether either of them would fit in there, and Herrera is better used beside Blind/in front of him the way we played during September.
 
Arsenal don't need him at all, they have Ozil and Cazorla who occupy the same places. The ship has sailed when Ozil moved to them unless they sell Ozil somewhere (Bayern?).
It was a joke Sarni, the Welbeck thing etc.
Ummm, in the midfield Diamond? I'm not sure whether either of them would fit in there, and Herrera is better used beside Blind/in front of him the way we played during September.
Herrera mostly played as a #10 for Athletic and he was excellent there. We'd also be far more defensively solid with Blind and Carrick behind him and Di Maria than we were previously when we played the diamond.
 
Ummm, in the midfield Diamond? I'm not sure whether either of them would fit in there, and Herrera is better used beside Blind/in front of him the way we played during September.

You're right Herrera is good there, but he did play as a no10 last season.
 
He was bought to be the player he was at Chelsea but I don’t see it happening here for one reason or another and he doesn’t really fit into the system so it makes sense to sell him and bring in someone that does. £20m is about all I would expect to get for him as he is likely to be sold to a team in Italy or Span (not Real or Barca though) so they can’t afford to splash out big fees.

Feel sorry for him because he is a good player, he would have been better off seeing out the season with Chelsea and then moving in the summer, I still think he was a bit of a panic buy for Moyes and Woodward and I don’t think he is a player LVG would have bought either.
 
Herrera mostly played as a #10 for Athletic and he was excellent there. We'd also be far more defensively solid with Blind and Carrick behind him and Di Maria than we were previously when we played the diamond.
You mean like this?
Carrick-Blind
Adnan - Herrera - di Maria
Rooney
That would leave our 2-3 strikers on the bench and would leave a lot of onus on di Maria/Adnan/Herrera to score when Rooney would have his off days. Also, I don't think we have the time and patience currently to shuffle up the pack one again and see how the team performs.
 
You're right Herrera is good there, but he did play as a no10 last season.
Yeah, but I only saw a little of him last season. Mostly I remember him playing as a CM, and in the diamond that we played, where we actually looked like having our midfield back after an age.
 
You mean like this?
Carrick-Blind
Adnan - Herrera - di Maria
Rooney
That would leave our 2-3 strikers on the bench and would leave a lot of onus on di Maria/Adnan/Herrera to score when Rooney would have his off days. Also, I don't think we have the time and patience currently to shuffle up the pack one again and see how the team performs.
that was my point. grow some balls etc.
 
It was a joke Sarni, the Welbeck thing etc.

Herrera mostly played as a #10 for Athletic and he was excellent there. We'd also be far more defensively solid with Blind and Carrick behind him and Di Maria than we were previously when we played the diamond.
Thought you were serious because Arsenal once wanted him.
 
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