He is finished. How can you be this crap? When I heard he didn't trust the data or GPS tracking for matches or training then I saw him for what he was; someone who fears anything that will show him up and his tactics up as poor and tumescent.
Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager
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It's the same for me, I had the League Cup in mind but today that's not even realistic.
Jose : "If you look at the diagram here, Harry Kane plays as a holding midfielder"
Levy : "This guy is a genius. I will give you a contract till 2023 and sack Poch!"
He's a bit shit isn't he? I defended him to death even when I was wrong (racking my brains as I defended his Seville Presser against @Fracture90 ), but looking back I couldn't accept how far he's fallen.
Looking at him for Spurs now it's just clear he's fallen off a cliff. It's not like they have bad players: Lucas, Lamela, Bergwin, Son is a good support cast for Kane. He has a good midfield and a decent enough defense. It just looks so disjointed, yet again for him.
Looking at him for Spurs now it's just clear he's fallen off a cliff. It's not like they have bad players: Lucas, Lamela, Bergwin, Son is a good support cast for Kane. He has a good midfield and a decent enough defense. It just looks so disjointed, yet again for him.
Wheres this from? Surely can't be real... Can it?
Truly diabolical stuff that half against fecking Bournemouth ffs
I don't think there's much difference to the Jose of his prime to the Jose of today. I don't think he's a spent force. I feel if he took over Newcastle with all that Saudi money they might get and didn't have to worry about FFP like he didn't have to worry about in his first Chelsea stint, and went out and spent 500 million on the likes of Cristiano, Erling Haaland, Frenkie De Jong and Phil Foden in 1 transfer window, then I think he'd take Newcastle up the table quickly. No guarantees he'd win the current league but he'd get close.
It's just that big clubs don't want to win ugly anymore. And there's enough really top attacking coaches out there today for big clubs to not have to resort to a zombie football manager such as a Jose, a Rafa or a Simeone anymore.
He did great things at Porto but they were a club who won the league blindfolded during that era, and even Villas Boas won mountains of trophies there after Jose, so they were a team who could play their second team in a league match on a Saturday, so their first team were fresh for a huge CL tie the following Wednesday.
Jose has done incredible things, but he's been in the right place at the right time a lot which I believe has created a bit of a myth about his coaching abilities, similar to when Ranieri won the league with Leicester at a time when all the big clubs in the Premier league had very poor managers. Or similar to Tuchel at PSG where the team win the league blindfolded every season due to living in a different universe to everyone else.
Add to the fact that Jose has evolved zero as a tactician in the past decade and its not a surprise he's in free-fall at Spurs
Yeah and this time there's no excuse that these aren't his players. Kane, Son, Alli, Moura, Dier were supposed to be his type of players. He also spoke highly of Spurs at some point. He liked the team, the players. No other excuses now. Just bad tactical decisions.
Spurs got shit. He left. They’ll threaten to become good again at some point in the future. He will return. Piss everyone off. Then leave when Spurs get shit again. Rinse and repeat. It’s the Glastoncycle. Been the bane of my life on here for nearly 20 years.
Speaking of Mourinho and Spurs. Does anyone else remember the match we played against them at WHL in 2018. The one where Eriksen scored in something daft like 10 seconds and Phil Jones scored a belter of an OG.
I remember being mortified at the time as Mourinho was having a meltdown on the touchline giving stick to Pogba and then subbed him off, meanwhile the Spurs home crowd were jeering and giving it biggun.
Not going to lie I am enjoying the schadenfreude of them now having to endure the very thing they were mocking us for
I remember being mortified at the time as Mourinho was having a meltdown on the touchline giving stick to Pogba and then subbed him off, meanwhile the Spurs home crowd were jeering and giving it biggun.
Not going to lie I am enjoying the schadenfreude of them now having to endure the very thing they were mocking us for
His approach to playing football and winning games is not working anymore for any team is not considered a major underdog. The average ability of a team in the EPL to score goals has increased and the feasibility of sitting deep and counter-attacking is dependent on teams throwing players forward to create chances by numbers. They are not so reliant on numbers anymore to create or score, and are more tactically aware and balanced --> fewer counter-attacking opportunities for Mourinho which forces his team to attempt to create against a balanced defence. That is not what JM coaches or focuses on. Seems like they do not even pass to each other in training either...
For real
?I can't imagine you really care THAT much though
Clearly Spurs players were one of the best pressing squads in the PL. I never understand his hatred toward pressing and his love for low block and stationary football. Some said here that he just couldn't do it but tbh I don't buy that. Despite how much we hate or despise the guy he must have more than enough knowledge to do that I think.
This seems like a con job from Jose. Its like he didnt want to actually manage. It seems like he hates football. And he thought the easiest way to improve his retirement fund is find a sucker who will hire him. And then straight away, go into his third year meltdown to try and force the firing so he gets the pay off.
Its like hes doing it on purpose by being a parody of himself with the parking the bus mentality.
Its like hes doing it on purpose by being a parody of himself with the parking the bus mentality.
Same. He is clearly more than capable of understanding it. I guess it has something to do with him protecting his own ego. He wants to show the world if his way is not outdated and he wants to win things in his own way - it worked before so there's no reason why it wouldn't now.
He looks to me like a defeated man with a huge ego. He's wrong but he will never surrender or improve his ways. Instead, he's relying on his past, including bringing up his past achievements and ranting about it to justify every single thing he does. Almost look like a depressed man to me, it's kind of sad to see to be honest. His insecurity is there for all to see.
Great cup
This post has aged well
This post has aged well
It's still accurate. You lot constantly talk about him.
Pretty much this, agreed.
But this makes me despise him even more. Always all about himself, and doesn't give a shite about the club nor the players.
Shocking that on an United forum, the ex-United manager is still being talked about.
Anyway he's doing a good job in alienating your best players and unlike United, you lot don't have the financial strength to get out of this hole. Still as long as "he wounds up United fans", I guess it's okay.
He hasn't alienated our best players. Where do you guys get this information from?
Props you for coming around mate. Takes a lot for a man to challenge his stance on things.
I can't see the likes of Son and Kane sticking much longer. I mean, it's hilarious how Kane ended up playing as a DM against a relegation threatened team.
Of course not, you guys are truly looking like a well oiled machine and aren’t fighting each other at half time or anything.
Son at wingback?
The worrying thing for any club he poisons is the amount of time it takes to recover after he departs.
Fortunately for Spurs, he wasn't allowed to bring in an army of aged players with no sell-on value, but their next manager is still going to have a hell of a job on restoring player confidence and getting them to erase Jose's football from their collective psyche.
It's quite unbelievable how an all-time great manager can slump to these depths. I used to believe he could have an national team swansong, but even that looks unlikely now.
Any club hiring him now absolutely deserves the dross coming their way.
Fortunately for Spurs, he wasn't allowed to bring in an army of aged players with no sell-on value, but their next manager is still going to have a hell of a job on restoring player confidence and getting them to erase Jose's football from their collective psyche.
It's quite unbelievable how an all-time great manager can slump to these depths. I used to believe he could have an national team swansong, but even that looks unlikely now.
Any club hiring him now absolutely deserves the dross coming their way.
No need for sarcasm - I know we are utterly shite. He said that Jose has alienated our best players - that may be true but I have not seen any evidence of this at all so I wondered where he got this inside info from.
One less team to worry about for foreseeable future is always nice, they won't have the money needed to undo the damage he inflicted on them during his tenure.
His football had only gotten worse with Faria's departure. Could it be that Faria was the one in charge of relating to the players the tactical nuance of Mourinho's ideas?
What damage? Honestly guys this is getting boring - we have been THIS BAD for over a year now. Jose hasn't improved things which is the most damning thing I can say about him so far but to suggest Jose has come in and damaged the club in any way is utterly bonkers.
I think that United fans in particular have a squewed vision of what almost exclusively happens in football. Top players and managers decline, only a few like SAF or Heynckes stay at the top but even then Heynckes had a few stint with smaller clubs where he had to adapt his management to his reality which I think he did brilliantly. The others turn into LVG, Cappelo, Sacchi, Wenger or Mourinho.
All I can say is that if (and it's a pretty massive IF right now) Jose can somehow turn this around and get us into some sort of functioning team again after over a years pathetic performances and we beat you next season - I'll very much enjoy rubbing that in your faces. As it stands that looks very unlikely and I'll continue to suck it up and get rightly battered from all sides for daring to suggest such a thing.
Well with N'dombele being your record purchase, you can say that in a way he had damaged your club.
If reports are to be believed there's no love lost between the two, and Mourinho's reported unwillingness to give him a chance, you will find it quite difficult to recuperate the money you've spent on him.
Yeah. Nothing has improved but the squad looks spent to me. Given the supposed budget problems too I would be more worried about how this improves long term as well, Jose or no Jose
It won't happen though, we United fans went through the same process. Chelsea fans before us.
I mean you beating us in an one off is certainly possible but I don't think he'll be a success at Spurs.
This is exactly what I feel about the situation. To focus on Jose is a mistake if you ignore the bigger picture and the bigger picture is a big steaming turd.
Considering he counted Community Shield as part of treble, I'm certain he'd list winning this trophy as his greatest achievement
Jose didn't sign N'dombele - also Jose has pretty much constantly been bigging the guy up since he got to the club. You focus on the negative stuff he said about his fitness (which is 100% true by the way) and ignore the other comments he has made about how N'dombele can transform the team and is a player the team could be built around.