The problem would be his not creative. I’m not even sure his a midfielder. Always seemed like a support striker rather than a attacking midfielder.
Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager
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The problem would be his not creative. I’m not even sure his a midfielder. Always seemed like a support striker rather than a attacking midfielder.
The entire Chelsea CB is horrible and I will pick Verthongen Toby and Davies over them. Sissoko and Locelso vs Jorginho and Kovacic?
Have you been watching Spurs enough this season?
Just because Vertonghen & Toby used to be very good CB doesn't mean they haven't passed it and this season they've been terrible. Mourinho even played Sanchez & Dier over them pretty much sums it up and Rudiger will still be their centre back if he joins Spurs.
Yes Jorginho and Kovacic > Sissoko and Lo Celso right now. Fact is that Kante actually hasn't been that good to be over Kovacic this season.
Chelsea has been inconsistent but Spurs just worse than them at the moment.
I see that we're still at the blame players phase of the Jose cycle.
I think it's tactics next > boardroom > transfers > manager
I'm going for Jan next year until he's gone
I think it's tactics next > boardroom > transfers > manager
I'm going for Jan next year until he's gone
If Jose has one redeeming feature for me its his constant digs at Arsenal throughout his time in England.
Just seen this on twitter. 
Worth a punt?
Worth a punt?
Just seen this on twitter.
Worth a punt?
A woncky summer window followed by a terrible January 2021 will drive him out.
He should be massively embarrased if he guides Spurs to finish below Arsenal for first time since 2016. Were 6 points clear of them as recently as middle of February.
Quite a few fans in the 'Jose Out' camp already. Also venting at Levy. Could get very ugly if they lose to Everton tonight.
Yeah - but the "North London Trophy" means nothing, you know. Unless Spurs actually do finish above Arsenal, that is - 'cause then it might be his greatest achievement ever, or at least right up there with the "Stayed At The Lowry For 600 Consecutive Nights" trophy.
To be fair the 'Jose out' camp have been in full force as soon as it was rumored he was about to become our manager. I'd estimate its about 50% of the fan base that hate the guy and never wanted him at Spurs and will never support him and the other 50% are willing to give him a chance and recognize that the club has been in a bad state on the pitch for over a year (I'm in that camp).
Fair enough. How long will you give him personally and what are your metrics? I can't get over how he just destroys players though. The way he treated Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Shaw, Fred etc., I'll never forgive him for that. Solskjaer has shown what difference you can make if you just treat your players right and do your digging out and culling in private.
Your guy's just poison.
The more you look at it though, the more you have to find the decision absolutely baffling. In the best scenario possible could anyone hope to get more than an FA Cup/Carling Cup with him ? The league is locked, no matter how hopeful you are unless you have 300M sitting somewhere. His style is boring, he "kills" at least one player per club he passes through and leaves them worse in PR terms. It all goes to sh*t after 3 seasons even if you give massive amount of money, what did anyone expect if you tell him to do "smart deals and loans" ?
Is all that trouble, on top of the fortune you pay him, worth that one "small cup" ? (A cup you're not even getting btw) His next stop is international football, i can't see a club biting the bullet again for him.
I'm willing to give him about 10 games into next season - if I don't see any signs of improvement by then I'll jump ship into the Jose out camp. I don't think he has said or done anything wrong since he has come here though to be fair.
Big game for him tonight against an in-form Everton side.
Really hope spurs win today. Need them to find some form before the Leicester game.
I just don’t understand what he sees in Eric Dier be it at center back or central midfielder. I mean, he has two seasoned Belgian international defenders in his squad and he sits them both on the bench. It’s just another suicide move to the possible failure of his Spurs career. It was akin to him playing Scott McTominay at centre back when we were playing away at West Ham
This is the problem. Football teams and fans want a different brand of football in recent times. There has been a change, Pep, Poch, Klopp and even the likes of Nagglesman, hassenhutl etc play a brand of football that fans enjoy.
Now the PL is so much tougher, you cannot just play sit back and counter against 3 teams like you used to when he came to Chelsea, you actually have to play football to beat some of the teams now.
The thing I saw the most on the pitch was as soon as you lose the ball drop back and get back in shape, why let some teams have the ball? just press them get a few goals and then let them have it and counter them. Jose has not evolved as a coach and needs specific players.
Again, teams have changed their vision, they want to get young players and develop them, Jose does not have the patience with young players. We saw it with Martial, Shaw, Rashford.
Vertonghen as much as I love him is finished at the top level (he is going to leave the club within a month anyway) and Toby hasn't been in good form for months. Dier had a dreadful last match but generally has been pretty solid at centre back for us and it is his best position. If it was me I would probably still play Toby to try and get him playing into some form and partner him with Sanchez who can do a lot of the running for him.
OK. What's with the N'Dombele saga. And why are Sessegnon and Skipp not playing?
I think he's finished as a manager but I fully agree with him in this instance though. Arsenal got 1 point out of 6 against Sheffield United in the league and needed a last minute winner to beat them in the cup. They shouldn't be giving it large when they've been an asbolute shambles all season.
Hm. Perhaps not.
What he has said - and done - has been pretty much as expected, though, from the perspective of someone who lived through his stint at United (and watched his every move and comment very closely).
Anyway - if I'm not mistaken, your stance is that Spurs are in need of a rebuild. That's what Poch thought too - before he was sacked.
But do you really think - or even hope - that Jose is the man for that kind of job? What has he - ever - done to indicate that he's the right fit for a rebuild?
Aurier is a defensive fullback, if he is a liability in defense then he is useless.
N'dombele hasn't been fit enough to play 90 mins since before Jose came in - Sessegnon and Skipp are 20 and 19 years old and maybe he doesn't feel they are ready yet.
His whole style was built on psychology and he went as so far as to study it in great detail.
It is almost brainwashing, having players in a bunker and creating an ‘us against the world’ mindset with him as the saviour. It just doesn’t work in 2020.
John Terry is rumored to have played on a broken ankle for 6 months for him at the peak of his powers. No players are doing that sort of thing in 2020 and risking their careers. It’s all too fragile and there is too much money involved.
Players have their own brands and profiles to look after now and are being guided by experts to always make the best moves for their own careers.
I don’t think anyone buys in to ‘us against the world’ anymore. It just produces unnecessary friction and tension and the team suffers. If the coach is being unreasonable, it’s time to go elsewhere, or at the very least get discouraged and have your performances drop in quality.
I think his best option nowadays would be a team with no stars, journeymen with nothing to lose that would run themselves into the ground for him. But then he wouldn’t have the individual quality he relied on to break teams down. He is stuck.
It is almost brainwashing, having players in a bunker and creating an ‘us against the world’ mindset with him as the saviour. It just doesn’t work in 2020.
John Terry is rumored to have played on a broken ankle for 6 months for him at the peak of his powers. No players are doing that sort of thing in 2020 and risking their careers. It’s all too fragile and there is too much money involved.
Players have their own brands and profiles to look after now and are being guided by experts to always make the best moves for their own careers.
I don’t think anyone buys in to ‘us against the world’ anymore. It just produces unnecessary friction and tension and the team suffers. If the coach is being unreasonable, it’s time to go elsewhere, or at the very least get discouraged and have your performances drop in quality.
I think his best option nowadays would be a team with no stars, journeymen with nothing to lose that would run themselves into the ground for him. But then he wouldn’t have the individual quality he relied on to break teams down. He is stuck.
I have no idea but I'm sure he was aware and I know Levy would have been aware of what is required here to take the club to the next level so I'd be very surprised if Jose didn't come in with his eyes wide open to the task at hand. Whether he is the right man for the job well only time will tell - this summer's transfer window will tell us a lot about that. I get that he hasn't really that sort of manager in the past so it perhaps doesn't seem like a good fit but I'm willing to give him a chance to sort it out.
Jose was the worst guy to take over if they need a rebuild. If they were on the verge and needed an extra push (and this was 10 years ago) I could kinda see why Spurs would go for him. I get they made the CL final, and maybe that was the best Poch could have done.
But it seems like I see Spurs fans saying a major rebuild is needed now. Jose is not the guy they want for that. He will not bring in players and nurture them. He needs 'ready made' players to add. Any players on the verge of greatness arent guaranteed to get there under him anymore. Any potential youth who needs game time / motivation etc will fall on his bad side after a mistake.
I dont expect the football to be good under him.
The one thing on his side is Spurs arent a 'top' team. So maybe he will get more time and be allowed to do what he made fun of Wenger for, for ages, in that under-achieving will be allowed. (depends on Spurs expectations). But that will be an issue for players like Kane, unless their ambition goes missing.
But it seems like I see Spurs fans saying a major rebuild is needed now. Jose is not the guy they want for that. He will not bring in players and nurture them. He needs 'ready made' players to add. Any players on the verge of greatness arent guaranteed to get there under him anymore. Any potential youth who needs game time / motivation etc will fall on his bad side after a mistake.
I dont expect the football to be good under him.
The one thing on his side is Spurs arent a 'top' team. So maybe he will get more time and be allowed to do what he made fun of Wenger for, for ages, in that under-achieving will be allowed. (depends on Spurs expectations). But that will be an issue for players like Kane, unless their ambition goes missing.
Yeah I can't think of many worse managers to be in charge of a massive reubild than Jose Mourinho.
We need a top class centre back, two new full-backs, a very good defensive midfielder and a proper back-up to Kane. It's not a full rebuild but that is probably two transfers windows worth.
I'm pretty sure Levy was targeting short term success with this decision. Jose is decent at putting together winning teams, not so much a complete rebuild as you said. If not for immediate silverware and/or CL finish, replcing Poch with Jose for the purpose of a rebuild is insane.
Fair enough - and good luck!
I think he has to reinvent himself - fundamentally - in order to be a good fit for that kind of job. And I also think it's too late for him to do that.
Or, rather - that actually isn't right or fair: it isn't too late. It's more a suspicion that he has no intention of doing it - and/or that he simply doesn't have it in him. Everything points to him just going through the motions at this point: either because he doesn't give a feck anymore - or because he actually believes that his tried and trusted methods still work, and will yield results if he sticks to 'em.
Very few managers over the years have successfully reinvented themselves. Very, very few. The combination of having an iron will to win AND the ability/humility to realize that you have to move with the times and discard ideas that once brought success is - extremely rare.
But - again - good luck. I don't mean it in a condescending way, I sympathize very much with your position, having been in it myself (more or less, anyway).
Two summer windows maybe? And even then its going to be hard to get that if you dont have CL football and arent paying top wages.
Do you expect that to happen? What do you realistically happens this summer in terms of transfers?
Saying that, I thought United only needed that when Jose came in. And it got worse the longer he stayed with us.
But honest question: when you sign a manager of his expected caliber, on the package I imagine he has, should the expectations not be a bit higher than "not doing anything wrong" (which is questionable at best, by the way)? Even with the squad's limitations, you wouldn't expect more from someone as experienced as him?
The reality is that if 10 games in next season the situation persists, you'll just highlight Mou's latest excuse (like he didn't get to spend x amount in the summer, or something else). We've been there.
He's going to leave Spurs in ruins by the time he leaves. I can see him asking for old players like Willian and getting rid of young players, by the time he leaves Spurs will need a total overhaul of the squad.
Isn’t Jose on £15m a year at Spurs I don’t see Levy getting rid of him anytime soon.
Big match tonight against Everton but I think Ancelotti will have his number in this one.
Big match tonight against Everton but I think Ancelotti will have his number in this one.
Just seen this on twitter.
Worth a punt?
What if next season actually start on 30th December 2020?
Jose is just not the right man imo. Jose can build a winning team but he needed money, or he will just sign players for short term and few years later leaving the club with ageing players that need another replacement. The wrong man at the wrong time to take in charge Spurs. He has Kane & Son but there are lot of works to do and I don't think Jose has the time to do it considering the history that he never last longer than 3 years, and I don't see Jose will ever change his man management either.
Last year early October I got laughed off when I mentioned we're in much better situation of rebuilding process than Spurs. I think I'm going to be right again on this one about Spurs & Jose.
Last year early October I got laughed off when I mentioned we're in much better situation of rebuilding process than Spurs. I think I'm going to be right again on this one about Spurs & Jose.
If you haven't seen the first part of this, it's hilarious and sums him up. The rest is pretty brilliant too.
Yeah I saw this a few days ago. His Ole and Pep impressions are fecking spot on!