Good one!It’s definitely a good starting point as at United we need more consistency as a team. Hopefully VAR won’t have an injury or dip in form for us anytime soon
Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager
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Good one!It’s definitely a good starting point as at United we need more consistency as a team. Hopefully VAR won’t have an injury or dip in form for us anytime soon
Not the right thread for this but yeah, chances are we could have just appointed the 3-4 wrong managers. It's not like we don't spend money. Anyway, don't intend on derailing this thread.
Isn't that the same with every team, though? Imagine if we lost Fernandes; it would completely screw us considering he has a direct contribution to over 50% of our goals since his signing. For me, we won't get top four without Fernandes - you just have to look at least season for evidence of that. That is the issue with being too dependant on a single player.
In the same way, Tottenham won't get top four without Kane, unless Vinicius/Bale turn out to be really good for them. In the same way, we will have to hope De Beek could have the same impact. I am judging it on the teams being fully fit through the season.
That was clearly overblown or was likely a narrative made up by the media, judging by the way it has gone. Their team this season is completely different from the last one.
They had no depth to their wing-backs last season; now they have for both right and left with Doherty and Reguilon, who are improvements on Davies and Aurier.
Ndombele was useless because of his fitness issues, not his talent; now those seem to be over, and he is in the team and performing well. Lo Celso improved massively towards the end of last season and will be more important this season. They have also added Hjobjerg. Compare that to their main midfield of Sissoko and Winks last season; it is night and day.
Their attack was short. No back up to Kane, now they have Vinicius. I mean they couldn't even rest him, really. They have also added Bale, who is an unknown; there is still promise there.
Tottenham is a different proposition this season, no doubt about it.
I don't see the difference in strength, to be honest. Certain teams are stronger in certain areas, but overall it is not remarkable.
Like Kane is better than Martial and Werner, but Fernandes is better than Ndombele and Havertz at this moment.
Son is arguably the best winger along with Mane and Salah at this time, but Chelsea probably has the best all-round right back of the three clubs in James.
None of the teams is remarkable in the centre-back department.
People bring up our results after lockdown placing us as second-best/best (can't remember) but seem to forget that Tottenham was third-best in terms of results after lockdown. I know Liverpool weren't bothering though after they won the title, but I still think Tottenham are being underrated.
It's two separate points:
1. The life of a big club is of big squads and competition.
2. His experience at Real Madrid, Inter, Chelsea was of large talented squads.
Their squad strength might not be much difference between us and chelsea but what they do have is a better manager. Media might have paint him as finished manager, but let's be honest, a finished manager does not finished 81 points with a squad most of us here would considered as deadwood just a few season ago.
Half the caf thought he should of got more with that squad which is funny looking at the team he had now. He was right when he said it was his biggest achievement. He was having the usual 3rd season meltdown so he had to go but he’s still our most successful manager in the last 7 years
Mourinho recycling his quotes from us:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44013364
and after we lost to Valencia
He was sacked a week later, and the players he trashed - mainly Rashford and Martial - have thrived without him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44013364
and after we lost to Valencia
He was sacked a week later, and the players he trashed - mainly Rashford and Martial - have thrived without him.
Mourinho recycling his quotes from us:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44013364
and after we lost to Valencia
He was sacked a week later, and the players he trashed - mainly Rashford and Martial - have thrived without him.
It was things like this I always had such a big issue with, it really can't be good for moral. People might downplay comments like that but it's not a great look.
He is 100% right though
That could have been us losing against Antwerp.
Got a reality check today.
Don't fall for it Balaks!
Hmmm. I'll let time decide that one.
You think guys like Dele performed well enough to prove they should be first choice? I certainly don't. He said prior to the match that this was a game for guys outside the first eleven to grab the opportunity with both hands. They completely failed to do that.
Many on here did though. Fell for the crap he heaped on other players.
Yep we did. Antwerp were by far the better side tonight for sure.
Yep. Still got a few who still defend him for it and come crawling out the woodwork whenever Spurs have a decent result and we don't.
The relative squads? Spurs are much better than RA, his tactics dictated the result and it failed. I think there's a real player in Alli but it was clear that Jose threw him under the bus a while back. That doesn't work well for team morale
He gave them a chance tonight to prove themselves. What more can he do? The players tonight were utterly shite in that first half yet im expected to ignore that and blame the manager? These guys should be playing out of their skin to try and get into the team.
Yes he is right. It's not the most important thing in the world though. He is basically trying to show how he is always "right" and the press is wrong in asking for changes which may be true in this instances. Over a period of time though, this backfires because everything becomes about him and the players just stop caring. If results suddenly don't go your way, there is no passion or trust to fall back on. It immediately goes downhill from there which Mourinho taking potshots at everybody including the kitman and the tea-lady.
Instead of this, he should have focused on the reasons for the loss and provided encouragement to his players. All the point making and criticism should have been done in the dressing room - away from the camera. But then again, he is the special one.
Was he right when he said it about Rashford and Martial?
Even if he is right, what’s he expecting to accomplish by saying this? It’s of no benefit to the club, he’s completely self-serving.
But why are they not playing out of their skin?
Does that say something more about the collective of players or more about the manager?
I have no idea if he was right about your players but i think he is right to say it tonight
Plenty of players in the squad are playing out of their skin for him regularly. There is a determination/attitude issue with some players though that has been evident for the past couple of years. I think one or two will be shown the door soon.
Dele in particular has been mostly rubbish for 2 years now.
We've all been there.
Yeah, not sure what's happened not Dele, but his malaise seemed to start pre Jose, so I don't think he can be blamed for that one.
You don’t need to follow Man Utd to see that those two players are playing significantly better now than they were under Mourinho. Regardless, I won’t disagree with you that your squad depth isn’t the greatest and the backups aren’t good enough (I don’t know, but I’ll take your word for it), it’s just that he doesn’t need to say it. It can’t be good for squad morale. Three options I see:
1) to light a fire up their ass so those players perform better next time
2) to encourage Levy to open his chequebook again in January
3) to protect his own image and shift responsibility from himself to his players
I know which option I’d say was more likely..
Mourinho recycling his quotes from us:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44013364
and after we lost to Valencia
He was sacked a week later, and the players he trashed - mainly Rashford and Martial - have thrived without him.
I love him
His honey moon will end soon, as soon as Son or Kane drop form he will be exposed.
I still don’t get why that would be. Right to think it, ok, right to say it to the player under four eyes, yes, right to say it in front of the whole group of players, normally not so wise, right to tell everybody and their mum on international media, why?
Woah. I'm getting flashbacks here.
Yep. I don’t know why he does it and how some fans at the club he manages buy into his cult so much? He’s a good manager, he was a great manager. But he isn’t infallible.
Publically slating your players is never the right thing to do. It's bad for morale and the players confidence. It didn't work for him at United and it won't work at Spurs.
Watch the performances deteriorate and the goals dry up as he slowly poisons the atmosphere.
Dele being as tragic as he has been has nothing to do with Mourinho though, as he was just as bad under Pochettino. Spurs should cut their losses at this point.
The one thing that annoyed me every time with Mourinho was that whenever he would so generously let these talented fringe players a have chance, he would completely setup for failure in those games. It would look like 11 men just thrown in without a plan or any real formation or tactics.
Best chance for Alli to come back into form is if he plays alongside Kane and Son and not some golfer imported from Spain. It’s self-fulfilling and designed to make Mourinho look good and for players to look bad.
Its not an issue him being right or wrong regarding things he said. I swear how people falling for his brainwashing will never know, the moment he enters, he drops few lines and cult around gets going slowly.
It’s not about whether it’s right though is it? How does this help the club in any way
Mourinho recycling his quotes from us:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44013364
and after we lost to Valencia
He was sacked a week later, and the players he trashed - mainly Rashford and Martial - have thrived without him.
I’m glad you posted this because this was what tonight reminded me of. It was horrible to watch as a fan.
Deli helped make that club into something Jose thought he could work with. Lest we forget. This... this really gets my back up about Jose.
He’s making me defend Tottenham players for fecksake!
One of Mourinho's worst traits in his time with us was his very public fallouts with many players. He did it with Pogba, Shaw, Martial - all players that are now important to our team. I understand that he's frustrated, but his consistent act of throwing players under the bus with public criticism becomes very tiresome, deserved or not. Managers should deal with that in private - it helps no one and really only screams of Mourinho's fragile ego after losses, which is weird because I remember at his last Chelsea spell he'd actively bring the attention to himself to detract from his players.
SAF for example never did that, despite his well documented bollockings he'd give players in the dressing room. I think really in the end the public criticisms foster a toxic mentality where players lose their confidence and trust in a manager.
It's also telling that players like Martial looked poor under Mourinho in terms of work rate, but his work rate has now significantly improved. I think it was Giggs who said that SAF didn't criticise some players directly in the dressing room if he felt they wouldn't respond to it well, and he gave Nani as an example, but players like Neville and Giggs would get a bollocking. I just think overall Mourinho's man management isn't what it needs to be in the modern game
This is again because he is one of those managers that has one formation and one type of tactic. He will not try to fix a formation that best suits his players but will find players that suits his best tactic.
He will smell the arse of Lukaku all night wrong but will only spout bullshit about players like Martial and Rashford.
It's hardly got anything to do with quality of the player but whether or not it fits his formation and tactic.
Today he said he wanted to make 11 changes, not because the players are crap but because the players are not suiting his formation & tactic.
Bale and Alli are not his type of player & they will suffer whilst he is there.