Jose after the Juventus game

I was absolutely down with his post match antics. Found them hilarious even. I’ve always thought he was a great manager to have when you’re winning with him...possibly the best!

What I was less enamoured with, were his post match presser comments, about how this was such a momentous win for us because they’re so much better (because of money) and most of our players don’t have experience of games like this. Which is a ridiculous comment when you have players like Pogba, Mata, Matic, Sanchez, De Gea, Young, Smalling etc in the side, PL or CL winners and finalists, not to mention a bunch of players just back from the WC finals and semis... it’s just so needlessly and frustratingly undermining, because all it obviously serves to do is make “his” achievement seem more impressive, and heroically underdogy, like his “getting 2nd with these players was my best acheivement” and “football heritage” comments...playing down the club to play himself up, even if it makes his players feel unworthy for beating Juventus with fecking Manchester United! The team who bought their best player off them only 2 years ago!

It’s just utterly tiresome that he always feels the need to do this. Even when he deserves the credit. And it’s all the more weird when you have fans ready to jump down certain players (and previous managers!) necks for making similar excuses or being percievedly arrogant, yet when Jose does it, he’s “MY MANAGER!! Telling it how it is!”

I was delighted by last nights result. I danced around the room like a schoolgirl. I still want him to succeed. I was fully and aggressively pro-him for years. He was my preferred pick post Fergie and I was delighted when we got him (just search for any of my posts with his name) ... but he’s been undeniably disappointing, and not just because he hasnt challenged City or been allowed to buy another CB (or sell our current 2 best performers for that matter) It took me a long time to turn against him. And it happened very grudgingly. And it’s gonna take a lot more than a few hard fought scrappy wins and him continuing to act like we’re fecking Fulham to turn me back again... Im open to it happening, but it’ll take more. Is all.

If that makes me a sad, grumpy, killjoy curmudgeon, then so be it.
 
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Anyone got the full interview where he laughs. Can't seem to find it. Only one I can is him talking to some other guy
 
Yagami said:
Well, the ones that have a problem with it are pretty much the fans who aren't keen on José, and the "anti Mourinho brigade" as it's been deemed are constantly getting insults and patronising comments thrown at them all the time now. I just think that we should try and get along because whether you're José in or José out, we all support and want what's best for United.

Having read your other post above, I completely agree that calling José a "cancer" and the like is uncalled for. I've been José out longer than most but have no problem with the man himself.
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I agree with your sentiment, unfortunately, the anti-Mourinho brigade are just that and deserve the tag. Others who have their opinion but are not vile or irrational to the point of hysteria spoil it for everyone. Those that don't have a twisted hatred for him are the ones who have been on the receiving end for a long time now but are always the loudest when people get fed up with it as if they have a right to make stuff up and not get called out on it. I am not even talking subjective BS I am talking out and out facts. Allot of posters don't bother even going into the mains because of it and the forum is all the worst for it.
 
Random Task said:
Jose was sent death threats in the mail on a daily basis when he was Juve manager by all accounts, yet he lives on. The stuff about his family is relatively tame by comparison.

I think it's a bit harsh to call fellow fans of the club cretins because they do not share your opinion on what is acceptable behaviour and what is not.
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I did make it clear to be fair that those calling Jose every disease under the sun are the cretins to be fair. The overreaction to him putting his hand to his ear is the key point here.
 
No11 said:
whats good about it?
no class, never had, never will have.
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Why the feck should we care about class when we have won a tough match and Arabs are doing whatever they want in football ?!

Glory Man Utd and dont give a shit who likes or not however we win
 
Mockney said:
it’s just so needlessly and frustratingly undermining, because all it obviously serves to do is make “his” achievement seem more impressive, and heroically underdogy
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It is not just "his" achievement. It is a big achievement for the "current" Man Utd to beat a top team in a CL and that too away (please don't say how the mighty have fallen).
This argument, you only get with Jose. Everything he says/does is attributed to "That is Jose bigging himself at the cost of the players/club"
 
Some nobody assistant celebrating a last minute goal by running past Mou, bad!

Mou celebrating a last minute goal by provoking the entire stadium, good!

Doesnt compute for me personally. I thought both incidents were lame as feck, how do you explain the above reasoning?

Either way, I never liked Mou in the past and I don't like him now. Stuff like this just reminds me why that is. That's his thing though, if he's your coach you love him, if he's not, you don't.

As for Juve, feck them, cheating tits.
 
el3mel said:
Some here care about the feeling of the Juve fans and players after such gesture than they care about our manager or players getting abuse by such fans it's so odd.

There're really some who imagine football as Utopian world.

Instead of feeling hurt for Juve fans getting this gesture thrown at them, perhaps we should care about our manager getting abuse by such fans through 180 minutes ?
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Absolutely spot on.
It's strange really.
We win such an important game away in Turin and some of our fans are only enraged by Mourinho for giving the Turin fans a little taste of their own medicine. Do they even know the poor guy was abused and insulted all game?
 
KirkDuyt said:
Some nobody assistant celebrating a last minute goal by running past Mou, bad!

Mou celebrating a last minute goal by provoking the entire stadium, good!

Doesnt compute for me personally. I thought both incidents were lame as feck, how do you explain the above reasoning?

Either way, I never liked Mou in the past and I don't like him now. Stuff like this just reminds me why that is. That's his thing though, if he's your coach you love him, if he's not, you don't.
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The theory is that Jose has been getting lot of abuse from Juve fans in both legs.
I don't think anyone cared about the Chelsea assistant, until he tried to create a scene.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
It is not just "his" achievement. It is a big achievement for the "current" Man Utd to beat a top team in a CL and that too away (please don't say how the mighty have fallen).
This argument, you only get with Jose. Everything he says/does is attributed to "That is Jose bigging himself at the cost of the players/club"
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Well you’re half right. You only get this argument with Jose. When Moyes & LVG say the same excusatory things, they get labelled small time chumps, not fitting for Man Utd, and usually after spending less money too. When Jose does it, he’s a hero in some quarters...somehow?

Not to mention that some of our players (specifically the ones called out or previously undermined by Jose) get lambasted for daring to speak up or failing to toe to the party line, or for just seeming self serving and arrogant rather than fully appreciative of their privilege to play for Man United. Again however, Jose gets hailed by certain sections for saying we’re a bit shit. After being our manager for nearly 3 years, and ultimately responsible. Go figure? And when does being supposedly THAT far behind a team whose best player we bought merely 2 years ago, under Jose, start becoming at least partially his fault?

It’s all thoroughly bizarre to me, tbh. Why does he need to bring these things up at all if they aren’t to excuse/embiggen? There’s literally no need. Who does it benefit, if not him? They were completely unprovoked questions. Do our underperforming big money marquee signings get an extra dose of confidence by being called average in a press conference after an important win? Why not say “this is the kind of result Man United should be getting, and this is a big step toward that?”

I had absolutely nothing bad to say about him after last night. I was buzzing... and then he does that. He can’t help it. It’s infuriating.
 
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RedDevil@84 said:
The theory is that Jose has been getting lot of abuse from Juve fans in both legs.
I don't think anyone cared about the Chelsea assistant, until he tried to create a scene.
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I get why he does it obviously. I also get that United fans love the fact he did it. I just thinkn it's virtuous to rise above the level of morons shouting abuse at you from the stands.

Also, wouldnt it be amazing if you could all celebrate your win instead of bickering about him. It's always about him. Feck him, United beat Juve, that's what's important.
 
It was an important win for us, but Mourinho was making an "elephant" out of it. We were still bad for majority of the time, like against Bournemouth, and Newcastle. There needs to be a lot better performance against City, or this matches are going to look like a lucky wins and nothing more.
 
KirkDuyt said:
Some nobody assistant celebrating a last minute goal by running past Mou, bad!

Mou celebrating a last minute goal by provoking the entire stadium, good!

Doesnt compute for me personally. I thought both incidents were lame as feck, how do you explain the above reasoning?

Either way, I never liked Mou in the past and I don't like him now. Stuff like this just reminds me why that is. That's his thing though, if he's your coach you love him, if he's not, you don't.

As for Juve, feck them, cheating tits.
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Nonsense. Mourinho was a reaction yesterday. He got abused and then responded. The Chelsea assistant coach pulled this celebration out of his arse.
 
KirkDuyt said:
Also, wouldnt it be amazing if you could all celebrate your win instead of bickering about him. It's always about him. Feck him, United beat Juve, that's what's important.
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Nobody is stopping fans from celebrating the win. If they choose to fight/argue over Jose's ways rather than celebrate the club's win, then problem lies with the fans.
 
Mockney said:
It’s all thoroughly bizarre to me, tbh. Why does he need to bring these things up at all if they aren’t to excuse/embiggen? There’s literally no need. Who does it benefit, if not him? They were completely unprovoked questions. Do our underperforming big money marquee signings get an extra dose of confidence by being called average in a press conference after an important win? Why not say “this is the kind of result Man United should be getting, and this is a big step toward that?”
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I don't know why he says certain things, but I guess we kinda new how Jose is and what he would say when we signed him up and then followed it up with an extension.
But my point is, I don't think it benefits him in anyways more than it benefits the club. If a manager is found to be undermining the club, not in the view of fans (who are fickle), but in the view of club's hierarchy, then I guess it comes up as a bad opinion on the manager, which affects his current job and future job opportunities.
 
Win the big away games, and he can do as many "popeye on drugs" impressions as he likes.

Here's to more of the same on Sunday :)

Either way, this is a current feel good little run, the Newcastle ending, the almost winning at Chelsea, the Bournemouth late winner, and now this.

The task now is to not lose the first goal and build on it.
 
GM K said:
Absolutely spot on.
It's strange really.
We win such an important game away in Turin and some of our fans are only enraged by Mourinho for giving the Turin fans a little taste of their own medicine. Do they even know the poor guy was abused and insulted all gam ?
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Arsene Wenger used to get called a paedo for 90 minutes and didn’t react. That’s proper abuse and yet he remained dignified.[/QUOTE]
 
Regardless of what you think about his reaction, its really mental that there are people who think this was us vs them, it was him against Juve fans, hell he even mentioned his Inter family next to his own. I could understand if people had issues with his reactions because he was representing United with United badge on his jacket but on other side to think this was us vs them is just nuts. When he was demanding respect, he didnt demand it for a club, he wanted them to respect him and his personal achievements.
 
This thread has all gone a tad bit preachy and bullshitty. I mean, if you’re a multimillionaire footballer / manager, you will be abused by fans regularly, it obviously comes with the territory. However, most don’t react and just get on with it. So acting like Mourinho was some poor victim is fairly sad. Conversely, acting like he offended several thousand fans is also pathetic.

When I first saw it, I thought it was mildly amusing but kind of pathetic. However, when I saw the abuse he got then I altered my initial opinion and said “fair enough”. He could have just not reacted but either way it’s a non-story.

This thread has typically become a “Mourinho in” wankfest and all very preachy. Oh well.
 
Juventus players overreacted because they lost in the last, I mean I don't particularly like the man but he's not done anything wrong here, i would be the same if they were all giving me dogs abuse the entire time, actually i'd of probably reacted worse, props to him for actually keeping his cool really.
 
Revelling in victory is not a crime.

Jose's passionate and a provocateur. I really don't care about him wearing his heart on his sleeve.

I wish there were more of it in football. It's what I do when I'm at home and at the stadium. I also like seeing it from the individuals I support on the pitch. It brings them closer to the fans, imo.
 
Garethw said:


Arsene Wenger used to get called a paedo for 90 minutes and didn’t react. That’s proper abuse and yet he remained dignified.
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We need to stop pigeonholing everyone into one fit. Wenger is warm blooded, Jose is hot blooded. People are different and 'class' is very subjective and relative. It often depends on who is defining it. When Sir Alex vowed never to grant BBC an interview again in 2004 because of a transfer report, was that classy? Many people still argue no. Others have no problem with it. Many people will swear today that Sir Alex was the biggest bulky the game has ever seen considering how he took on journalists, rival managers and especially referees. But that's exactly one of the reasons some of us loved him.

I have no problem with anyone seeing Jose as classless. That's fair enough. What I find odd is when he is placed on a different and unfair yardstick. What he did at Turin is no worse than what managers have done one way or another and is not exactly unnatural after suffering so much abuse and humiliation, yet people (including our fans) will go on and on about how classless he was/is.
 
Garethw said:
Arsene Wenger used to get called a paedo for 90 minutes and didn’t react. That’s proper abuse and yet he remained dignified.
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Have the FA told you what they shouted at Jose? It was great theatre. Scholes and other commentators seem like absolutely humourless souls.

Also, I don't see why anyone should tolerate being abused like Wenger. Of course, it's best if you can win and tell them then where to go..
 
Garethw said:
Arsene Wenger used to get called a paedo for 90 minutes and didn’t react. That’s proper abuse and yet he remained dignified.
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Yes. That is proper abuse. That is such a toxic and classless environment you can't expect anyone to act with class around that shit. You can really only give massive credit to Wenger for ignoring it, and you couldn't blame him if he responded to it. It wouldn't make him classless in that environment if he gave them some back, it would make him human.

As i Unitedfan i don't really care about whats between our manager and the Juve fans, its between them. I don't want him to hide who he is because he manage us. That is some pretentious stuff coming from our fans. Like he never had a history before us and needs to act with total class to fit in with the classy values of our fans who are all the same classy individuals. Very soft. In my eyes, Mourinho only defended himself in not even a rude manner, he just showed them "keep talking" with his gesture. Juventus players overreacted a bit as Mourinho was on his way to congratulate the players and the away fans. I don't get how this has become such a big deal.
 
KirkDuyt said:
Some nobody assistant celebrating a last minute goal by running past Mou, bad!

Mou celebrating a last minute goal by provoking the entire stadium, good!

Doesnt compute for me personally. I thought both incidents were lame as feck, how do you explain the above reasoning?

Either way, I never liked Mou in the past and I don't like him now. Stuff like this just reminds me why that is. That's his thing though, if he's your coach you love him, if he's not, you don't.

As for Juve, feck them, cheating tits.
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Did you find Gary Neville lame for running across the pitch winding up all those Liverpool ones? We sure don't. We love United for such defiance moment.
 
This is Jose though, we knew what would we get from the day board appointed him as United manager. You can't call him a cnut for 180minutes and expect him won't throw something back. Let him offload some steam, we know Jose is at his best when results go his way.

Grumpy, moaning Jose last summer or shit stirring Jose? You can only pick one. I'll definitely pick the latter.
 
tieunhilang said:
Did you find Gary Neville lame for running across the pitch winding up all those Liverpool ones? We sure don't. We love United for such defiance moment.
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I did, but Im not a United fan. I just prefer people who rise above these things. Others do not, that's fine :)
 
It's weird how much grief Jose got for this from pundits like Scholes and from fans even on here. I don't see anyone in the press giving Arnaoutovic grief after his first goal at the weekend against Burnley where he went looking for the Trakowski after he had dispossessed him for the first goal to laugh in his face. That was unprofessional, what Jose did was fine.
 
He made a show of himself, ironically after nearly crying when someone did something similar to him at SB not many weeks ago! Then made a fool of himself in the interview implying we are tiny paupers compared to Juve despite him spending over £100m more net than Juventus in the time he's been here. At least a win came with all the antics this time, hopefully he can do the same on Sunday. Looking forward to his press conference saying we can't compete because City spent money while Liverpool constantly take the piss out of City with James Milner and Jordan Henderson in the team.
 
Mockney said:
I was absolutely down with his post match antics. Found them hilarious even. I’ve always thought he was a great manager to have when you’re winning with him...possibly the best!

What I was less enamoured with, were his post match presser comments, about how this was such a momentous win for us because they’re so much better (because of money) and most of our players don’t have experience of games like this. Which is a ridiculous comment when you have players like Pogba, Mata, Matic, Sanchez, De Gea, Young, Smalling etc in the side, PL or CL winners and finalists, not to mention a bunch of players just back from the WC finals and semis... it’s just so needlessly and frustratingly undermining, because all it obviously serves to do is make “his” achievement seem more impressive, and heroically underdogy, like his “getting 2nd with these players was my best acheivement” and “football heritage” comments...playing down the club to play himself up, even if it makes his players feel unworthy for beating Juventus with fecking Manchester United! The team who bought their best player off them only 2 years ago!

It’s just utterly tiresome that he always feels the need to do this. Even when he deserves the credit. And it’s all the more weird when you have fans ready to jump down certain players (and previous managers!) necks for making similar excuses or being percievedly arrogant, yet when Jose does it, he’s “MY MANAGER!! Telling it how it is!”

I was delighted by last nights result. I danced around the room like a schoolgirl. I still want him to succeed. I was fully and aggressively pro-him for years. He was my preferred pick post Fergie and I was delighted when we got him (just search for any of my posts with his name) ... but he’s been undeniably disappointing, and not just because he hasnt challenged City or been allowed to buy another CB (or sell our current 2 best performers for that matter) It took me a long time to turn against him. And it happened very grudgingly. And it’s gonna take a lot more than a few hard fought scrappy wins and him continuing to act like we’re fecking Fulham to turn me back again... Im open to it happening, but it’ll take more. Is all.

If that makes me a sad, grumpy, killjoy curmudgeon, then so be it.
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Should’ve jumped ship and supported Fulham when Woy was boss, or just support your local mockney team.

Utterly tiresome listening to bandwagon jumpers with post Fergie angst and oblivious to far worse behaviour from Pep and Horseteeth. Then again, I don’t get influenced by “analysts”, 90% of whom are ex-Liverpool players.
 
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