of course he did , we know he did and Evans knows he did.
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If he'd wanted to spit at him then he'd have bloody spat at him, he was about two feet away, it's not like he's going to have tried and missed ffs.
I honestly don't understand how anyone can have seen a proper reply (not an edited vine) and come to the conclusion that he was spitting at Cisse.
I honestly don't understand how anyone can have seen a proper reply (not an edited vine) and come to the conclusion that he was spitting at Cisse.
People only say its the worst thing because its completely out of context with sport.
They should probably both get bans for being such fannies over a minor tussle on the half way line
They should probably both get bans for being such fannies over a minor tussle on the half way line
He wasn't spitting on him, but he was spitting at him. Like if you were to throw a ball across the office with the intention of missing someone, but still getting there attention. He wasn't aiming it at Cisse, but he was doing it towards him... Brophs summed it up well:
Nah, I don't agree with that.
It looks more to me that he's got up from a challenge and gone to spit on the floor like a lot of players do and at the same time his brain has decided to get angry that Cisse has kicked out at him, so his 'spit on the floor' and 'get angry at kicky guy' reactions have happened at the same time.
This is Jonny Evans, not El haj Diuff, there's no way he was trying to spit at or intentionally near the guy.
They both spat at each other. Trying to determine whether Jonny meant it is a lot more difficult than it would have been to just not spit near someone on the ground. They both deserve bans.
In which case, he's still daft to spit in such a close proximity to Cisse. For me - he's fully in control of his functions and he could easily have turned his head and spit elsewhere (as players do 99.9% of the time), but he's made the conscious decision to do it in Cisses direction.
He wasn't spitting in his direction because - as you say - that would have involved spitting on him.
At worst, he deliberately spat on the ground in front of him. Which is a bit inflammatory but really not that big a deal. Be very harsh to ban him for that.
Basically what @Rado_N said. I find the outrage in this thread very strange. No doubt there would be a lot more people making excuses if it was a more popular player involved.
I think I heard somewhere after the game that spitting in someones vague direction is punishable... or something to that affect... and we know that the FA view spitting as a far worse crime than actually trying to physically harm someone for some inane reason. (As an aside, if he got banned for 6 games, that would be 2 games more than Terry got for being racist...top priorities from the FA)
I don't think the actual offence is a massive deal at all - it's just completely moronic from Evans (He should surely realise if you're spitting that close to someone it's going to kick up a shit storm - and if the ref saw it he may well have sent him off, which would have made things a bit harder) which is why it annoyed me.
Precisesly and tragically true. The Ander Herrera spitting thread would make a salutary contrast to this nonsense. Jonny finally puts in a solid performance, confidence returning and this is the shite we're coming out with?
Really? I'm genuinely surprised that spitting near someone has caused the hooplah it has on here. Although, as I said, I suspect that is due to so many caftards being desperate to put the boot into Evans and when they can't do that over his performance...
So long as you're sure your goz isn't going to hit someone I never knew it would cause a massive drama to spit near them. I'm assuming Evans thought the same. He got up, was about to spit, then got kicked and ended up simultaneously spitting - on the ground - and glaring at Cisse. Seriously, that's a strange reasons to criticise anyone, never mind ban them.
Thought Johnny was rather good last night all in all. I have been very critical of him lately.
Evans had a good game, the spitting incident is a non -story. I genuinly think so.
Feeling better now ??
It could be my mind playing tricks on me, but Evans seems to be spitting all the time. If the camera is on him after a clearance or tackle he's usually spitting. More than anyone else in the team.
Also, looking at his reaction to Cisse simply getting up, I don't think Evans would even have it in him to spit at/near someone maliciously, even if the thought entered his head.
However, he may well get a ban, and I don't think there can be huge complaints. It can definitely be interpreted as a spit towards Cisse due to how close it was to his head.
Also, looking at his reaction to Cisse simply getting up, I don't think Evans would even have it in him to spit at/near someone maliciously, even if the thought entered his head.
However, he may well get a ban, and I don't think there can be huge complaints. It can definitely be interpreted as a spit towards Cisse due to how close it was to his head.
Evans spat first.
Not on here, I meant in the media (which has already happened, and will probably lead to him getting banned) - ultimately that barometer for causing a hooplah on here isn't that high.
Well I don't think we care if Evans is banned because it will probably improve us but as for Cisse, assuming the six match ban rumours are true well then Newcastle play Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs in those six matches so it will just help our rivals.
Why oh why did he do that.
The kick out is shocking and unfortunately will be overlooked because of the spitting. Whether Evans is aiming at cisse or closeby, it's a huge sign of disrespect and disgust. Cisse spitting 5cm away on evans with no slyness whatsoever is a joke.
And the penalty incident...why is he spitting again. These spits arent even 'excess saliva' spits. They're the chavvy little ones where you spit through your teeth thinking you're a hard man, when in fact you're just a premature little child.
So so pointless jonny.
The kick out is shocking and unfortunately will be overlooked because of the spitting. Whether Evans is aiming at cisse or closeby, it's a huge sign of disrespect and disgust. Cisse spitting 5cm away on evans with no slyness whatsoever is a joke.
And the penalty incident...why is he spitting again. These spits arent even 'excess saliva' spits. They're the chavvy little ones where you spit through your teeth thinking you're a hard man, when in fact you're just a premature little child.
So so pointless jonny.
The incident itself is a big deal because of Cisse's reaction. Which really was unacceptable and looked pretty disgusting on replay. If that hadn't happened, I don't think Evans gobbing on the ground would have caused much of a palaver at all.
Although no doubt a few of the usual suspects on here would dig out a vine and gleefully use it as character assassination. Same with that clip of Fellaini allegedly spitting on someone earlier on this season.
Kudos to a photographer, he caught Cisse's spit just in time.
Sky are really stoking the fires on this, 10 games
Sky Sports pundit Alan McInally believes spitting should carry a mandatory ban of 10 games.
The issue has come into sharp focus after a clash between Manchester United defender Jonny Evans and Newcastle striker Papiss Cisseduring United's 1-0 win at St James' Park on Wednesday.
Following a tackle and what appeared to be a kick-out from Cisse, the pair appeared to aim spit at each other in an incident now being investigated by the Football Association, while Newcastle are looking at a situation earlier in the game in which Evans appeared to spit close to Emmanuel Riviere.
Louis van Gaal and John Carver refused to comment on the incident
Should they be found guilty of spitting, Evans would be automatically suspended for six games while Cisse's ban would last for seven due to a prior charge of violent conduct - but McInally suggests the punishments could be firmer.
The Scot told Sky Sports News HQ: "It shouldn't be in the game. I don't think it's a problem but guys can't spit on each other. Maybe six games is not enough. It's a deterrent because you get banned for six but maybe you'd think 'that's alright'.
"Maybe you should make it 10 games - that's two-and-a-half months and that's a long time out of the game and for your club to be paying you. They aren't going to be happy.
Sky Sports pundit Alan McInally believes spitting should carry a mandatory ban of 10 games.
The issue has come into sharp focus after a clash between Manchester United defender Jonny Evans and Newcastle striker Papiss Cisseduring United's 1-0 win at St James' Park on Wednesday.
Following a tackle and what appeared to be a kick-out from Cisse, the pair appeared to aim spit at each other in an incident now being investigated by the Football Association, while Newcastle are looking at a situation earlier in the game in which Evans appeared to spit close to Emmanuel Riviere.
Louis van Gaal and John Carver refused to comment on the incident
Should they be found guilty of spitting, Evans would be automatically suspended for six games while Cisse's ban would last for seven due to a prior charge of violent conduct - but McInally suggests the punishments could be firmer.
The Scot told Sky Sports News HQ: "It shouldn't be in the game. I don't think it's a problem but guys can't spit on each other. Maybe six games is not enough. It's a deterrent because you get banned for six but maybe you'd think 'that's alright'.
"Maybe you should make it 10 games - that's two-and-a-half months and that's a long time out of the game and for your club to be paying you. They aren't going to be happy.
Well, he is a Sky Sports pundit.
I think the angle repetively shown is a touch harsh on Evans, from the game yesterday on BT in the several replays it looked as if he spat just infront of Cisse, but you can also understand Cisse's reaction, if you think someones spat at you, in the heat of the moment, feeling aggrieved, losing your head for a second, you or at least I could imagine myself doing exactly the same in return, just one big mess really.
Its a shame as I thought Evans played really well yesterday, looked the CB we all know he should be.
Its a shame as I thought Evans played really well yesterday, looked the CB we all know he should be.
its ok Johnny, Jon Snow is coming to your rescue there
This spitting thing is bit boring, so I'll skip to his performance. He played good game, he definitely looks far better player in two CB defence than he looked in 3 man defence, surprise, surprise.
absurd...Some of the comments in here are a bit rawkish. People can dress it up how they like but they spat at each other, disgusting. They should both get the maximum suspension which is six matches.
Are these the best replays we can get? /
Pretty damning to Evans if you ask me, seems pretty straight forward - he spat at him. He was staring straight at the guy and spat. If he was targeting anywhere, it was his legs, but still. If Evans had been so inclined to spit without spitting AT Cisse, he could easily spit to the side while maintaining any aggressive stance he might want to.
I say all this as a guy who feels that Evans is actually an alright defender for us.
They should both be banned. 6 games though? Seems excessive, never knew there was such a rule in place.
Happy days if he gets 6 games. He really should be the first player out the door in the summer.
If only he got some injury that would keep him longer than that, right? Happier days?
Phil Neville, the absolute clown. According to Phil Neville, spitting is the worst act you can commit on a football pitch. Above:
1. Punching
2. Kicking
3. Headbutting
4. Biting
5. Breaking bones
6. Pissing
7. Defecating
8. Killing
9. Torturing
10. Raping
I'm in total agreement with the little fellow.
Past spitting bans btw:
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El Hadji Diouf was fined two weeks' wages by Liverpool, £5,000 by the Glasgow Sheriff Court and given a two-match ban after spitting at a Celtic fan in the front row of the stand during a Uefa Cup tie at Celtic Park in 2003.
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Arsenal's Patrick Vieira was handed a four-match ban and a £30,000 fine for spitting at West Ham's Neil Ruddock in a Premiership match at Upton Park in September 1999.
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France and ex-Manchester United goalkeeper Fabian Barthez was given a six-month ban (suspended for three months) for spitting at a Moroccan referee during a friendly between Marseille and Wydad Casablanca in 2005.
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Alexander Frei of Switzerland was charged with misconduct and banned for three games after a crafty spit on the neck of Steven Gerrard during England's 3-0 win at Euro 2004.
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Now as much as I dislike Evans as a player and would enjoy not watching him play for 10 games, 10 match ban for spitting in the direction of a player who kicked out at you...seems a tad ridiculous? Media is blowing it way way up.
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Nah, he should be 100 % fit when he leaves in a couple of months time. Wish him well and hope he finds his level, like partnering O'Shea/Brown at Sunderland or something.
Not sure you've understood his point.
I just threw them in for flavour.
Both players deserve big bans! Disgusting creatures