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I would keep him at the club purely to keep seeing Helen on MUTV
What agenda? I don't have any, I just see it as it is and the fact of the matter is that Jonny Evans is simply not good enough for this team. At least, if he managed to stay fit regularly, then maybe he could have become a decent bench player, but now? Just sell him and be done with it. He can't keep fit and his performances this year have been absolutely terrible and last year they were below average. Now you tell me what exactly does he do for us that we should keep him? Buy Godin and hope Jonny Evans suddenly becomes a good defender? Hope that he will play consistently? I don't know about you, but I don't see any of that happening.I’m defending him because he doesn’t deserve all the abuse he gets on here, it’s pathetic. Even when he has a good game or makes a fantastic tackle or clearance he still gets criticised or his efforts are ignored as it doesn’t fit in with some posters agenda.
Everyone performs better with a leader beside them, Rio, wasn’t a leader but played so much better beside Vidic, Keane was a leader and all players played better when he was in the team, same for Robson, Cantona, Schmeichel, Stam in fact the one thing our present team is missing is a leader, should we sell everyone?
You have no foundation for your criticism of Evans, your last paragraph illustrates that clearly.
And what exactly did he do in those games? Absolutely nothing. Not to mention his mistakes cost us number of times. He is not a scapegoat, he is just being judged as any other player who has not played well. Has Tom Cleverley ever played well? No, which is exactly why he was criticized constantly and it was fair, whether he likes it or not. No player should be immune to criticism.Season as a whole? fecking hell thats hilarious. He played what 3-4 games at the start of the season in August-September. Last night was his first game back in nearly 3 months FFS.
Looks like Evans has became the Caf's new scapegoat now that Cleverley has left. Considering he was out for 3 months and had to come on earlier than planned and play in a back 3 which so far none of our defenders have looked comfortable playing in i thought he did alright.
Baffling OTT reactions to a half decent performance. Some seem to have developed an irrational hatred towards Evans for reasons unknown.
What agenda? I don't have any, I just see it as it is and the fact of the matter is that Jonny Evans is simply not good enough for this team. At least, if he managed to stay fit regularly, then maybe he could have become a decent bench player, but now? Just sell him and be done with it. He can't keep fit and his performances this year have been absolutely terrible and last year they were below average. Now you tell me what exactly does he do for us that we should keep him? Buy Godin and hope Jonny Evans suddenly becomes a good defender? Hope that he will play consistently? I don't know about you, but I don't see any of that happening.
And what exactly did he do in those games? Absolutely nothing. Not to mention his mistakes cost us number of times. He is not a scapegoat, he is just being judged as any other player who has not played well. Has Tom Cleverley ever played well? No, which is exactly why he was criticized constantly and it was fair, whether he likes it or not. No player should be immune to criticism.
And I repeat, I do not hate Evans, I just don't think he is good enough for a club of our stature and he is a crock.
As soon as we bring in any quality defender the bloke will be shipped out to Hull or somewhere.
I think you would be surprised at the calibre of clubs that would be interested in him if we ever decided to sell.
He'll be 27 in a month and it doesn't look like he has matured into a defender we thought he could be. He's not some sort of a youngster who still has time on his hands, van Gaal will be ruthless at the end of season and if Evans cannot deliver (and so far he's been poor when he played) he is more likely to be shipped than McNair and Blackett who are considerably younger and still have time to develop, or Smalling who has been much better than him. I keep forgetting Jones exists.
And what exactly did he do in those games? Absolutely nothing.
Not to mention his mistakes cost us number of times. He is not a scapegoat, he is just being judged as any other player who has not played well.
Would he get in any top four side? I doubt it. Maybe Everton but no higher.
Pretty much, though he did play a couple of poor passes when we played 442 diamond earlier this season. I don't think he's as bad as some have made him out to be this season. His defending has generally been solid, though he hasn't been tested much. But it's awful passes like the Burnley and QPR ones - and his awful display against MK Dons - which have had too much of an impact on peoples' opinions.It's because he's only ever played in the 352. Where all our players blatantly have no idea where their team-mates will be at any given moment. Considering Van Gaal's reputation as a coach, we look worryingly unprepared for that formation. Each game we play 352 it looks as though everyone is making it up as they go along.
He is just coming into a defender's prime age, he was a fantastic understudy to Rio and Vidic during our most recent glory years, deputising in important European matches and performing at the highest level. I wonder if some of you have forgotten that. If we can get him match-fit I think he can be a big part of LVG's tenure at Utd.
See I disagree completely, for me he looked the part because he was paired with them. Some on here portray him as a ball playing defender yet in recent years he's distributing has been terrible and often plays hospital balls to teammates. For me if we want to truly get to the level we want we have to replace the likes of Jonny for better quality.
Absolute reactionary bollox.
He's 100% is a ball playing centre half and his distribution has been nowhere near terrible. The stats back this up.
Has there been problems with other aspects of his game? Of course there has, but his ability to pass a football certainly wasn't/ isn't one of them.
Difference of opinions, I believe we have to upgrade on this, other's don't.
Absolute reactionary bollox.
Absolute reactionary bollox.
He's 100% is a ball playing centre half and his distribution has been nowhere near terrible. The stats back this up.
Has there been problems with other aspects of his game? Of course there has, but his ability to pass a football certainly wasn't/ isn't one of them.
When you look at his average rating on there it shows just how underrated Evans is on here.Its more than that though. Sums up a lot of the nonsense in this thread of late.
You said his distribution has been terrible in recent years. Its hardly a difference of opinion when the stats prove this simply isn't true.
I get people don't like him but making stuff up doesn't aid sensible debate
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/22079/History/Jonny-Evans
So he's made one bad pass in a cup game playing alongside unfamiliar players after a long injury layoff, he then made a bad pass against QPR which didn't result in a goal, let's not forget he stopped a certain goal after a De Gea and Rojo blunder when the we were winning 1-0 in that game. Then he made a bad pass last night, correct me if I'm wrong but I think we made several bad passes last night, including one from Fellaini which actually lead to a goal.He's been an accident waiting to happen this season. He made a terrible pass yesterday which led to the Shane Long chance. He made another terrible pass which led to a goal in the Carling cup debacle and he also made another in the game right after that. That's 3 I can remember on the top of my head and he's barely played this season!
I definitely wouldn't complain if he was sold at the end of the season.
When you look at his average rating on there it shows just how underrated Evans is on here.
I think you would be surprised at the calibre of clubs that would be interested in him if we ever decided to sell.
So he's made one bad pass in a cup game playing alongside unfamiliar players after a long injury layoff, he then made a bad pass against QPR which didn't result in a goal, let's not forget he stopped a certain goal after a De Gea and Rojo blunder when the we were winning 1-0 in that game. Then he made a bad pass last night, correct me if I'm wrong but I think we made several bad passes last night, including one from Fellaini which actually lead to a goal.
It's a reoccurring theme with Evans and its a major problem if you're the last man and giving the ball away. Coming back from injury is a poor excuse for making bad decisions. I thought he could go to become a top defender a few years back but he still has too many mistakes in him.
Yes Fellani did make a bad pass and most of understand he's not good enough to be playing even though he has done well in the last few weeks.
Rojo gave the ball away in really dangerous positions. Young made a similar awful pass as Fellaini.
Every player takes time to get back to their best after injuries, even Messi. With the exception of RVP everyone made terrible passes yesterday, what was there excuse? Rojo, Fellaini, McNair, Mata, Rooney, Young, Valencia, Herrera, Smalling, Carrick all made terrible passes in dangerous areas.It's a reoccurring theme with Evans and its a major problem if you're the last man and giving the ball away. Coming back from injury is a poor excuse for making bad decisions. I thought he could go to become a top defender a few years back but he still has too many mistakes in him.
Yes Fellani did make a bad pass and most of understand he's not good enough to be playing even though he has done well in the last few weeks.
And still you wouldn't expect that from a CB that has played that many games for us already. He is the most experienced CB we have atm. He is still very prone to those mistakes sadly
He didn't show any of that in his games this season, it's more than just rusty, he looks completely empty and is showing no signs of any self-confidence . If he continues to find his form at this rate we might as well sell him.He made one bad pass. I am sure we can actually put that down to being a bit rusty. Let's see if he can recapture his form that made him our #1 CB last season and the one before that.
He made one bad pass. I am sure we can actually put that down to being a bit rusty. Let's see if he can recapture his form that made him our #1 CB last season and the one before that.
Every player takes time to get back to their best after injuries, even Messi. With the exception of RVP everyone made terrible passes yesterday, what was there excuse? Rojo, Fellaini, McNair, Mata, Rooney, Young, Valencia, Herrera, Smalling, Carrick all made terrible passes in dangerous areas.
The unfair bashing Evans gets in here is why I feel I have to come in here and defend him all the time.
It's not one bad pass. He's done it multiple times in really bad area's. Everyone
It's not unfair bashing. He's done it so many times that it becomes a concern. Fair enough everyone loses the ball on occasions but you can't do it when you the last line of defence.
That first goal is a perfect example of why he is getting criticism. He has done something similar to that atleast 3 times this season, which is totally unacceptable.
Sorry, but that's bollocks. Evans has been blamed many many times for goals conceded that either wasn’t his fault or ones he could do nothing about, using a few bad passes as a bat to beat him with is a fine example of that.
I’ve heard people bring up the Dons game time and time again yet seem to conveniently forget all the good he has done this season, or choose to accept it in case they have to admit he’s not as shit as they want to believe. Even the great Vidic, Rio and Stam made plenty of mistakes and it was brushed off as they were fan favourites, when a scapegoat makes the tiniest mistake people want his balls on a plate.