Yep, Carroll for Liverpool at Newcastle last year was a peno too then, the keeper made a challenge so it must have been.
Jonny Evans | 2011/12 Performances
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... What are you watching?! Evans sticks out his left leg, that's the only movement he makes... the Braga player makes no contact at all with said leg, he just runs straight into Evans, who was still occupying the space he was in previously.
The Sky pundits in the studio summed it up pretty well I thought.
No. You are wrong. He's not just standing there stationary until the other guy comes barging into him. Evans is moving to his right, realizes that the Braga guy is trying to go past him and at the last second tries to move back to the left.
Does anyone have a gif of this?
Yeah, we're going to need to gif this one out I feel!
In the video I watched, it looked unclear from the Braga angle (towards the United goal) but it was pretty clear cut to me from the angle behind Evans.
This is the best I can come up with...
There is zero movement to from Evans to his right... also, the Braga player is starting to go down before any contact is even made...
Using your video you can see two steps to his right at 0:06. Then he shifts his weight to the left and sticks his left foot out.
I think Eboues right here, Evans is moving to the right, the attacker correctly predicted this and went to the left. Then you see Evans outstretch himself to the left, impeding the attacker and not touching the ball.
The attacker was clever as they say but it was a penalty.
The attacker was clever as they say but it was a penalty.
Yeah, he was getting into position to make a challenge... that surely can't be seen as being part of the challenge itself.
The fact is, Evans gets into a position to make a challenge, which he does before making any challenge of any sort. The Braga player knocks the ball and then immediately charges into Evans, who hasn't moved from his base position of which me made the challenge. The Braga player (I should really find out this fella's name!) knocks the ball and then, quite literally, jumps into Evans, who has no chance what-so-ever of getting out of the way....
If that's a penalty, then anytime any player runs into another, it could be deemed as a foul... which would be crazy.
The fact is, Evans gets into a position to make a challenge, which he does before making any challenge of any sort. The Braga player knocks the ball and then immediately charges into Evans, who hasn't moved from his base position of which me made the challenge. The Braga player (I should really find out this fella's name!) knocks the ball and then, quite literally, jumps into Evans, who has no chance what-so-ever of getting out of the way....
If that's a penalty, then anytime any player runs into another, it could be deemed as a foul... which would be crazy.
Any mention of injury? When Rio was warming up commentators said that Evans seemed to be the one because of what looked like a groin issue. I thought Rio was going to come on for Smalling because he had the issue earlier in the game.
Just hope it's not an injury to Evans, he's been very good.
Just hope it's not an injury to Evans, he's been very good.
Jonny Evans (groin) and Nani (hamstring) both substituted as a precaution after suffering minor injuries, Mike Phelan has confirmed.
As expected. Smalling is back, Evans gets injured. No surprise.
It's our tried and tested "one in, one out" policy. We normally do it for wingers as well, was surprised Nani lasted this long.
My money's on Rafael once Jones gets back.
My money's on Rafael once Jones gets back.
You're confusing me. I don't get any of this base position stuff. It's not as if Evans was ever standing in place. If he had been and Braga Player X ran into him then I would agree with you. As it is, Braga Player X guessed which way Evans was going and attacked that space (!) with the ball at which point he was cut off by Evans who made a challenge that got nowhere near the ball.
I remember Zhirkov won a penalty against us in the exact same manner when he got blocked off by Smalling. Everyone was saying that it was an undeserved penalty. Speaks a lot about the caf's inconsistency/biaseness.
I dunno think it is a really tough one. He does have a flick for the ball but the guy doesn't go over that he goes right in to him. It's similar to the smalling one but the smalling one was more of a pen, this one is very tough and in reality there was little Evans could do though perhaps he should have tried to come out at him at an angle.
Evans doesn't take him out with his leg, or move his body in any way to attempt to block the attacker. If he stepped off his position and turned into the player to block him then sure it's a pen, but he stood his ground, the player ran into jonny then hit the deck holding his face. The ref was conned all night by braga players holding there faces.
Unfortunately defenders cannot run out of the way with an oncoming player, it's up to the attacker to get round the defender. If he had gone round jonny and then he went into his path then it's understandable, but he really did nothing wrong.
Unfortunately defenders cannot run out of the way with an oncoming player, it's up to the attacker to get round the defender. If he had gone round jonny and then he went into his path then it's understandable, but he really did nothing wrong.
I may be wrong but I thought at the time last night when Evans came off for Rio that there might have been a bit of an arguement between Fergie and Evans. It was an incredibly naive foul by Evans and one that Fergie probably didn't take to kindly to in a game we needed to secure it wouldn't have surprised me in the slightest if Evans got the hair dryer for that one.
Then again it could just have been precautionary.
Then again it could just have been precautionary.
Why are we even discussing this? He clearly obstructed the path of the Braga-player. The only debatable thing is whether it was inside the box, which it was, just.
Wasn't poor yesterday by any means, but by God that moment that led to the pen was a bizarre bit of defending.
Wasn't poor yesterday by any means, but by God that moment that led to the pen was a bizarre bit of defending.
Please tell me at what point Evans stood his ground. Don't you have to be stationary to stand your ground?
So he's injured?
That's great. Looking forward to another injury to either Rio or Smalling now when Jones comes back. Apparently it's impossible for us to have more than 2 center backs fit.
That's great. Looking forward to another injury to either Rio or Smalling now when Jones comes back. Apparently it's impossible for us to have more than 2 center backs fit.
Not his finest hour, last night. Caught positionally a couple of times. True that he seems more comfortable beside Rio or Vidic than as the senior partner. That's fair enough, I suppose. He'd be a massive loss if he is injured, Smalling or no.
Why? That time a lot of people were saying it wasnt a penalty. This time the same thing happens and people are saying it wasnt a penalty again. How is that inconsistent?
He definitely looks less assured in the absence of Rio. He was good second half against Braga at OT, took control of a suspect backline....last night he looked lethargic and occassionally careless. Not sure when he got injured and if this had anything to do with it because he started the game fairly well. If he wants to be first choice he needs to do better than last night, particularly with Smalling's effortless return to first team football.
Without a doubt it was penalty, the referee had no option but to give it.
I thought Rooney dived for his penalty but Evans was definitely a Pen.
I thought Rooney dived for his penalty but Evans was definitely a Pen.
A possible groin strain according to Phelan It's only fair that Evans gets a few months on the sidelines now that Smalling is back isn't it? We've still got Carrick as a back up.
You cant just play the ball to the side and barge right into the body of the defender and expect a penalty. Yes, Evans made a movement that might have impeded the attacker, but that doesnt change the fact that the attacker made no attempt to get around Evans at all. This kind of "clever" play is just the same as leaving a leg trailing behind to get caught. Its cheating. Never a pen.
Its definately an obstruction imo ('impeding the path of an attacker'), which is an indirect free kick inside the box.
No one in this thread since last night has explained yet how within the laws of the game a penalty is the right decision. He hasn't tackled the player (just an attempt made to play the ball), he hasn't charged into the player, used excessive force, or committed any other of the offences that warrant a penalty, so for those that are so certain its the right decision, please enlighten me.
Obstruction isn't given any more - it's either play on or a direct freekick.
He was OK last night, nothing less, nothing more. People are often too quick to overly criticize him and also to overrate him beyond belief. Still has a long way to go.
I think you're wrong pete
So after initially moving right to cover the run how many steps does he take left? Watch his right foot. His position is planted but his weight changes from right to left, that is not enough to suggest he has intentionally deviated his course to block the attacker! He's moved a few inches minimum.
Absolutely nothing he could of done there.
The attacker actually ran away from the ball and jumped into Evans. Evans' flick to the ball didn't impede the attacked because instead of making an honest attempt to pick up the ball and score, he just jumped into Evans. It was never a penalty for me, although the way it looked at full speed it was always going to be given.
Laughable pen.
You're deluding yourself. I have watched his right foot but since he has two feet, I've also watched his left foot. You know, the one that kicks out at the ball, hits the player and gets nowhere near the ball.
The fact that he stops moving to his right, shifts direction to his left (where the ball is) and kicks out his left foot suggests that yes he has intentionally deviated his course to block the attacker. Or if you want to be pedantic, you can see he intentionally deviated his course in an attempt to win the ball but failed and fouled the attacker in the process.
What could he have done? Not change direction at the last second once he was beaten, not attempt to win the ball.
At least this is a defensible position. For me, I think it hard judge the intent of the attacker (maybe he just miscontrolled it a bit) but I think it's clear what Evans was trying to do. I do understand where you are coming from.
Your the deluded one his foot doesn't even touch him
I wonder if you have ever played football before and been in his position? You will realise he had no chance of moving. Perhaps you should watch the review of the goal by Neville Redknapp and Collins, they called it how it was.Your the deluded one his foot doesn't even touch him
If a defender establishes a position, he is entitled to that position and an attacker running him over is not a foul on the defender. If an attacker is going to an open space, the defender sees this changes direction and cuts him off without winning the ball then it is a foul.
Can't quite understand all the bluster over the penalty. Evans couldn't do anything to be fair...the attacking player clearly looked for the decision, sneaky latin git. There was an instinctive movement towards the ball with his left leg, that's probably what sealed his fate but the guy just ran into him. You can see that when he takes the ball in his stride rather than shift his weight to the right he just runs into Evans. Can't blame the ref for giving it it's just unfortunate. If Rooney and Evra weren't dicking around in possession then Evans wouldn't have been caught on the hop in the first place.
Cracking penalty though....but Rooney's was better....genius....
Cracking penalty though....but Rooney's was better....genius....
Was definitely a pen. Didn't look like it in real time but in the replay it was clear.
Didn't think it should have been a penalty. Evans is upright and just starting to shift to the side. The striker just kicked the ball wide and away before charging into evans chest. I could see it being a penalty if the attacker hit the leg, but he hit evans straight on giving evans no chance to get out of the way.