He was really good against Liverpool, otherwise no he didnt win his place on merit.
Jonny Evans | 2010/11 Performances
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funny how this doesnt really get a mention isnt it?
Well not exactly, he was drafted in because Rio was injured in the warmup and was picked ahead of Smalling for the bench. Clearly he merited his place on the bench either because he either outperformed Smalling or he was in better condition than Smalling for the game.
I choose to believe the former.
Well not exactly, he was drafted in because Rio was injured in the warmup and was picked ahead of Smalling for the bench. Clearly he merited his place on the bench either because he either outperformed Smalling or he was in better condition than Smalling for the game.
I choose to believe the former.
Fergie said something recently about having to pick the right games for Evans, I believe after the Liverpool match. That one he was clearly the right choice for as he was really good in that match.
We have no idea if he was suddenly in front of Smalling in the pecking order again, or if it was just deemed the right time to play him and then Smalling or whoever else gets the next one.
Vidic was definitely responsible for one goal. The freekick he gave away and the fact he did not head it clear.
the only plus in defence today was how well Smalling played. He looks class and in years to come will be the natural replacement for Rio. Evans will be fine too.
As a team we were poor as Wolves were resolute and single minded.
as SAF says..we kick on.
the only plus in defence today was how well Smalling played. He looks class and in years to come will be the natural replacement for Rio. Evans will be fine too.
As a team we were poor as Wolves were resolute and single minded.
as SAF says..we kick on.
Probably there was a lack of a midfield balance, last season United respected Wolves with a 4-5-1, United played 4-5-1 earlier against them this season.
I think that lack of balance had put the back four under a bit of pressure.
Broke through as a hugely promising young centre half, a natural defender who seemed physically built for the league, but now people have started targetting his aerial defficiencies and it's causing him all sorts of problems.
That's the key point. He shouldn't be made the scapegoat for that loss. Although it would help if he rose off the ground to meet crosses instead of battling on the ground. He should follow Vidic's lead and make his aerial ability known.
Smalling made Evans look like the inexperienced youngster.
Would Vidic have played the same game if Rio had been alongside him today though?
It's clear where our problems lie, Central Midfield and in Central defence if Rio isn't there.
We'd have won and kept a clean sheet imo. I would honestly back those two against any attack in the world.
agree.
Rio really does calm the entire defence.
I hope this talk of 2 weeks being injured is BS.
As far as I'm concerned Jonny Evans has already proved himself at the top level, he's having a bit of a crisis at the moment but you have to have faith in a player who's already achieved so much.
It's a more than a bit of a crisis, he looks a nervous wreck out there, and it doesn't take much for his head to go down. Neither of the goals yesterday were specifically his fault, but the number of times he's been on the wrong side of the opponent or bullied off the ball as we concede a goal from a header is amazing.
With Rio supposedly injured with the meaty part of our schedule coming up, as crazy as this sounds, I'd rather Smalling and Vidic play in the middle, than Evans. That is a terrible situation for us to be in, a young 20 year old with no experience having to play against the likes of Tevez, Van persie, Drogba, Torres, but that's how poorly Evans is playing.
How has our inability to defend set pieces got to do with the midfiled? The entire team played in first gear today, unfair to point the blaim at Evans who should not have been subbed off.
Strikes me as strange when we're chasing a game to take off a defender when it was obvious we needed injection of pace in the middle of the park. Bad preparation for the game imo.
Strikes me as strange when we're chasing a game to take off a defender when it was obvious we needed injection of pace in the middle of the park. Bad preparation for the game imo.
Evans went off with a knock. He limped off.
Could someone please clarify something for me.
For their first goal, Vidic was at the post and the left back was making a diagonal run. I thought Evans should've been marking his run since he was right next to the player when the corner was taken. I might be wrong and assumed the whole thing in my mind. But some clarification would be nice.
For their first goal, Vidic was at the post and the left back was making a diagonal run. I thought Evans should've been marking his run since he was right next to the player when the corner was taken. I might be wrong and assumed the whole thing in my mind. But some clarification would be nice.
Evans has proven himself to be a very reliable big game player though, has he not?
Yup, was great when Rio was out for an extended period with injury....really formed a great partnership with Vida.
But none of that takes away from what he's shown on the pitch the last 10-15 times he's played. He is a liability(not the only one), how many liabilities can a title challenger carry in their starting lineup?
Fergie knows best, but I most certainly wouldn't have played Evans last night.
He's been good in his two previous games ... hardly a liability. There were plenty of liabilities out there who would have been hailed as heros on another day. Evans was initially on the bench, I'm sure Premier League rules only allow you to promote a sub to the firstteam before kickoff, so it was either going to be him or O'Shea... i.e. not Smalling.
Let's remember Smalling and Evans conceed twice to fullback goals in the Carling Cup game to work earlier in the season, Heck let's remember that at Old Trafford Brown, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra protected by O'Shea conceeded also conceed a goal to Wolves. FIVE SENIOR DEFENDERS WITH EDWIN IN NETS.
Wolves have exposed every defender United have had this year ... don't single out Evans.
Smalling and Evans as a duo are not ready...that West Ham match was a disaster waiting to happen.
Evans has been good the last 2 games he played...not doubting you, which league fixtures were they? I genuinely can't remember.
Rio being injured forced him into the starting lineup, what i want to know is, why he was on the bench and not Smalling? Was Smalling rested, I'm trying to figure out what Evans has done to merit a spot on the bench, but if as you say, hes been good the last two league appearances....fair enough.
Also as I said, he can't help it, if the entire team falls asleep at a corner, of Vida gives away a dangerous FK, but he just doesn't inspire confidence atm, but Fergie has his methods, and who am I to question them.
Evans does not look strong enough or commanding enough. That might change but I would think he blew his chance again yesterday and Smalling will be getting the nod always ahead of him from now on and rightly so
This is true, but surely a defender is measured by the amount of mistakes he makes. It wasn't entirely his fault yesterday. Some bad performances all around, but he doesn't give any confidence for the defence it seems. Weak physically and in the air. Hustled by the bottom teams strikes every time he plays.
He's will become the new OShea.
If Jonny Evans had just been bought then the knives would be fully out for him but we have to remember this is just a very bad season for him. He has proven many times in the past how good a player he is. One bad season doesn't make him a right off - not by any stretch. It's just a blessing that Chris Smalling has settled so well, who in my eyes should start ahead of Evans for the rest of the season.
Bulk up!!
What's more annoying than anything else with Jonny Evans this season is his apparent inability to even challenge for the ball ageinst a striker with his back to goal. He'll either lose the challenge for the ball or concede a foul. If he can't sort out that part of his game he'll never be a top defender.
What's more annoying than anything else with Jonny Evans this season is his apparent inability to even challenge for the ball ageinst a striker with his back to goal. He'll either lose the challenge for the ball or concede a foul. If he can't sort out that part of his game he'll never be a top defender.
He has a point.
All young defenders go through this
Ferdinand himself did so at West Ham
Looks like they're lost the art of defending altogether
Question is how he responds. That's the making of a top quality defender. And of course how much immediate opportunity he gets if there are other players showing more promise in his position
Ferdinand himself did so at West Ham
Looks like they're lost the art of defending altogether
Question is how he responds. That's the making of a top quality defender. And of course how much immediate opportunity he gets if there are other players showing more promise in his position
totally agree with this, exactly how I would word it. When Smalling Came on, there seemed to be a bit more calmness in the defense. Evans seemed nervous throughout the match.
No surprise you agree.
Think back to our clean sheet jizz fest 18months ago. Who was the main stay there?
Do we just routinely loose faith in players now when they go throught a bad patch?
Vidic should have done better on teh second goal, but the delivery was perfect really - right in that danger area. It's always going to be harder for a defender, once the delivery is spot on.
I don't think its a case of Evans needing to bulk up, I think he lacks the physicality. Vidic prior to United was not a tank in the gym, but his physicality in challenges against opponents meant he didn't get bullied. That said he could always bulk up and become more of a 'presence'.
I don't think its a case of Evans needing to bulk up, I think he lacks the physicality. Vidic prior to United was not a tank in the gym, but his physicality in challenges against opponents meant he didn't get bullied. That said he could always bulk up and become more of a 'presence'.
Not really. We've proven that time and time again. Except our 3rd choice centre back is severely out of form. So take Vidic out of the same combination for a string of games and replace him with an out of sorts Evans and you'll see similar results. That's why they call it a centre back pairing. You need two doing their jobs properly to do well.
Agree with this, it is one thing losing out to Kevin Davies or Carlton Cole but losing out physically to Kevin Doyle.
He will have to improve his aerial ability if he is going to cement a first team spot.
I'll be honest, Doyle gives a lot of defenders a hard time. Really underrated at leading the line.
Johnny. is simply not involved in defending at times. he's weak mentally and after having a stinker of a season he's afraid. of doing more when on the pitch. and does not remeber how to head the ball out any more
Being Irish Im probably biased towards Doyle but hes a handful for most defenders in that sense. His goal scoring has suffered because of Wolves system. He's shown it for Ireland numerous times against big opposition. Most Ireland fans rate him ahead of Robbie Keane and have done for a while.
I think we will bring Shawcross back next season!!
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