Joe Rothwell

Edited post above to include Re-Up of Joe Rothwell Video.

Surprised more hasn't been made of this showing, I thought he was brilliant.
 
He was and he has been for a number of games now. We've got a real gem here.
 
Rothwell has been added to Uniteds Champions League squad and been given squad number 47
 
jb8521 said:
Rothwell has been added to Uniteds Champions League squad and been given squad number 47
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Nice, he deserves it. I wonder if he'll be given a run-out in the league before the end of the season. They're pretty much all dead rubbers now anyway.
 
He has impressed this season, he took a stretch which can be difficult for a young player but he has been more influential at the same time, starting to sit up and take notice.
 
Shinjisan said:
Glad for him. All the buzz was for Ben Pearson but Rothwell has looked the better player to me in the little I have seen season.
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Rothwell has always been the more talented I reckon, but then everyone loves a tough tackler.
 
I like Pearson's style of play though. Very classy and more of the sitting playmaker. With Rothwell, it's more box to box and running with the ball through the middle. 2 very interesting talents. Let's see how they come on. The jump to first team football is huge.
 
Rozay said:
Rothwell has always been the more talented I reckon, but then everyone loves a tough tackler.
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I don't think it's a style issue. Pearson was brilliant last season while Rothwell struggled with injury and illness, only natural that Pearson got the plaudits. Rothwell's certainly not one to back out of a tackle in his own right.
 
Rozay said:
Rothwell has always been the more talented I reckon, but then everyone loves a tough tackler.
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I'm really guarded on how high to rate Pearson as we've seen a few in his mould fail to take the step up, but he has some mental awareness about him, when to hold and when to get forward, he had an interview a month or so back talking about how he admired Carricks game, regarding his discipline and awareness, which was really pleasing to hear.
Rothwell seems to have just as much talent in his own right.. or more! but in what I've seen personally.. his game time can be a bit hit and miss whereas Pearson nearly always puts in very solid displays.
I like them both, hopefully one can progress out on loan or step up to the squad next season as I'd like to see Pereira go into central midfield next year.
 
BennyBlanco said:
I'm really guarded on how high to rate Pearson as we've seen a few in his mould fail to take the step up, but he has some mental awareness about him, when to hold and when to get forward, he had an interview a month or so back talking about how he admired Carricks game, regarding his discipline and awareness, which was really pleasing to hear.
Rothwell seems to have just as much talent in his own right.. or more! but in what I've seen personally.. his game time can be a bit hit and miss whereas Pearson nearly always puts in very solid displays.
I like them both, hopefully one can progress out on loan or step up to the squad next season as I'd like to see Pereira go into central midfield next year.
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Both are good and effective, I just think Rothwell looks more gifted and effortless.
 
BennyBlanco said:
I'm really guarded on how high to rate Pearson as we've seen a few in his mould fail to take the step up, but he has some mental awareness about him, when to hold and when to get forward, he had an interview a month or so back talking about how he admired Carricks game, regarding his discipline and awareness, which was really pleasing to hear.
Rothwell seems to have just as much talent in his own right.. or more! but in what I've seen personally.. his game time can be a bit hit and miss whereas Pearson nearly always puts in very solid displays.
I like them both, hopefully one can progress out on loan or step up to the squad next season as I'd like to see Pereira go into central midfield next year.
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I'd say it's been opposite this season. Rothwell has been consistently outstanding since early Novemberish, Pearson took a bit longer to get comfortable with step up to the u21s. That's not a slight on Pearson, I rate him highly.
 
Love the look of both of them to be honest. Pearson almost always makes the correct decision on the ball and isn't afraid of a challenge. Rothwell is better carrying the ball forward though, if you could somehow stitch em both together we'd have an undoubted first team player on our hands.

If they both keep working hard though they have a pretty good chance, both have been fantastic considering it is their first full year at this level.
 
I don't think it's right to compare players. They compliment each other well and offer something different. Rothwells a very tidy player. If he can add a few more goals, he'll be doing well
 
I still rate Pearson somewhat higher, but they're quite different so it's really a matter of preference. Reminds me a bit of how I used to feel about Wilshere vs Ramsey, (with Pearson reminding me of the young Wilshere and Rothwell of the young Ramsey), and look how Ramsey's turning out!

Seeing the likes of Wilson, Rothwell, Pearson and Pereira forming a home-grown spine in the first team one day is pretty much my dream scenario for the club. Just imagine it!
 
Brightonian said:
Seeing the likes of Wilson, Rothwell, Pearson and Pereira forming a home-grown spine in the first team one day is pretty much my dream scenario for the club. Just imagine it!
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keep dreaming!

stability at the top needs to occur before anything else...
 
2nd most impressive player this season behind Wilson, he has grown physically, displayed positive drive going forward and good technique, delighted for him, but more to do obviously to reach the standards required.
 
mo0 said:
keep dreaming!

stability at the top needs to occur before anything else...
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Obviously it's dreaming. That's why I called it my 'dream' for the club.

That said, these things happen fast when they happen. If the right boss takes over, prospects for the youngsters can suddenly look much brighter or much worse. How long has it taken Rodgers at Liverpool, Martinez at Everton or Klopp at Dortmund to start getting more home-grown players involved?
 
Some perplexing stereotype here - apart from Schmelzer which home-grown players has been promoted by Klopp?
 
Saw that Wilson and Pearson have been called up for England U19's but no Rothwell. Surprised by that really.
 
Conrad said:
Saw that Wilson and Pearson have been called up for England U19's but no Rothwell. Surprised by that really.
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He doesn't have many international appearances but someone on here said it was because of injuries I think. Hopefully they don't make the Euros but if they do, Rothwell not getting picked could be a good thing as it'll leave him free to go on tour.
 
Shows a wonderful ability to inject some pace into attacks with clever short passing and agility in his movement, but looks a bit weak as a tackler.

Just turned 19 and has had injury problems, though, so lots of time for him to develop. Seems like he'd be ready for a Champo loan to a mid or lower table side trying to win via passing.
 
Conrad said:
Saw that Wilson and Pearson have been called up for England U19's but no Rothwell. Surprised by that really.
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Tough competition in centre midfield at that level.Of course I couldn't care less about how he is rated within the England system.
 
limerickcitykid said:
He doesn't have many international appearances but someone on here said it was because of injuries I think. Hopefully they don't make the Euros but if they do, Rothwell not getting picked could be a good thing as it'll leave him free to go on tour.
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Pretty much. He was arguably the best player in his Victory Shield group a few years back (wore the armband as well, if memory serves) but his progression through the England ranks has been hampered by the stop/start nature of his subsequent career. An injury-free run this season quickly saw him back in the fold so it's a bit of a surprise that he's been left out now. Hopefully, it's not related to the injury he picked up against the Scousers.
 
I think our offensive struggles against Chelsea say a lot about Rothwell's quality.

The first team does need a combative box-to-box player like Pearson but it also need another box-to-box player, a facilitator like Rothwell.
 
gooDevil said:
I think our offensive struggles against Chelsea say a lot about Rothwell's quality.

The first team does need a combative box-to-box player like Pearson but it also need another box-to-box player, a facilitator like Rothwell.
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So, kind of like Keane and Scholes, where Keane was the combative one and Scholes was the dictator, facilitator, and playmaker.

Of course, Joyce did restrict the midfielders Rothwell and Pearson, but Rothwell has been given more of the facilitator role than Pearson was against Chelsea.

Still, that match did show how valuable Rothwell can be. Still, I think that, due to injuries, he might not make it to the top level, like Lawrence, but I'm willing for him to prove me wrong.
 
mazhar13 said:
So, kind of like Keane and Scholes, where Keane was the combative one and Scholes was the dictator, facilitator, and playmaker.

Of course, Joyce did restrict the midfielders Rothwell and Pearson, but Rothwell has been given more of the facilitator role than Pearson was against Chelsea.

Still, that match did show how valuable Rothwell can be. Still, I think that, due to injuries, he might not make it to the top level, like Lawrence, but I'm willing for him to prove me wrong.
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That's my concern as well but it was stronger 12 months ago. As far as I know, yesterday's game was the first he missed through injury all season, which hopefully indicates his outgrowing his injury proneness.
 
mazhar13 said:
So, kind of like Keane and Scholes, where Keane was the combative one and Scholes was the dictator, facilitator, and playmaker.

Of course, Joyce did restrict the midfielders Rothwell and Pearson, but Rothwell has been given more of the facilitator role than Pearson was against Chelsea.

Still, that match did show how valuable Rothwell can be. Still, I think that, due to injuries, he might not make it to the top level, like Lawrence, but I'm willing for him to prove me wrong.
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If you think that's all Keane did for Scholes and United, you would be very wrong. He was as influential as Scholes in controlling the games.
 
Missed him in the final. His absence was symptomatic of the general tiredness and injury worries which meant we were never likely to win that match. I was impressed by how well Pearson played against two much bigger, more physical players in Ake and Loftus-Cheek, but it's the partnership between him and Rothwell which makes them really special.

That said, I don't think we actually had 'offensive problems', per se. We never look to hog the ball but we had too little of it against Chelsea for the attackers to really do much, at least after that first 20 mins or so where we were excellent. But that was because they were bigger, fitter, fresher, many of them older, and without the injury problems which were affecting three or four or our boys from very early on. They're also a side slightly further along in the development cycle - I don't mean to suggest that they in any way didn't deserve the win. But our losing is no indication of any lack of quality.
 
NM said:
If you think that's all Keane did for Scholes and United, you would be very wrong. He was as influential as Scholes in controlling the games.
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Nope, that's not all they did, but that was their main role.

I expect Pearson to also have the ability to control games. See my views on him in the Pearson thread and the previous U-21 matchday threads to see this.

All I mentioned was what they will mainly do, not what they will always do.
 
Brightonian said:
That said, I don't think we actually had 'offensive problems', per se. We never look to hog the ball but we had too little of it against Chelsea for the attackers to really do much, at least after that first 20 mins or so where we were excellent. But that was because they were bigger, fitter, fresher, many of them older, and without the injury problems which were affecting three or four or our boys from very early on. They're also a side slightly further along in the development cycle - I don't mean to suggest that they in any way didn't deserve the win. /QUOTE]
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I'm not sure which game you watched to be honest mate - United were pretty much outplayed by a bigger, stronger and significantly younger team. Let's not pretend that United are the be-all and end-all of youth team football; Chelsea's team was probably about 18 months younger than ours on average, most of them British and most of them home grown rather than bought.
 
eddiebb said:
I'm not sure which game you watched to be honest mate - United were pretty much outplayed by a bigger, stronger and significantly younger team. Let's not pretend that United are the be-all and end-all of youth team football; Chelsea's team was probably about 18 months younger than ours on average, most of them British and most of them home grown rather than bought.
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well said.

only marked difference is the opportunity each club provides to these talented kids.
 
eddiebb said:
I'm not sure which game you watched to be honest mate - United were pretty much outplayed by a bigger, stronger and significantly younger team. Let's not pretend that United are the be-all and end-all of youth team football; Chelsea's team was probably about 18 months younger than ours on average, most of them British and most of them home grown rather than bought.
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Um... I wasn't. You might have missed it in your fervour, but if you look again you'll see me acknowledging that Chelsea thoroughly deserved the win.
 
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