Mix of Kaka and Aguero.... What's the hold up?
Joao Felix | Signed for Atlético Madrid
- Thread starter deafepl
- Start date
- Status
Seems to be heavily overrated in here. Dont think he will leave yet but i have my doubts that he will reach the levels some are imagining.
Yeah, I feel like they’re seeing something I’m not. 100m on him would be mental.
If we buy him, where would he fit in the midfield with Pogba? Or is he a replacement?
Diamond formation. Felix would play as second striker or No.10.
He is rated much higher by actual scouts and pundits than just your usual caftard
He has not done anything relevant to justify a +30M bid yet. Did nothing in Europe bar an atypical game against a 10man Frankfurt. Most of their league games are a joke in terms of space and time in the ball so it shouldn't be a measuring stick. Jonas was their best player by far before injuries and he played behind the striker too.
Pundits say Ashley Young can cross...
Well, he used to. And I used to share your opinion as well, but the more i look at him the more im beginning to see the signs. Yes, it's 'just' the portuguese league but Ronaldo wasnt scoring for fun before we snapped him up. He's constantly being mentioned in the same sentence with Sancho, and I think they aren't far off tbh
Ronaldo was just on another level. He was already dribbling and outpacing players at Sporting. Felix has good link up play with good technique but hes not a one in a kind youngster like Mbappe.
Thats so true,people are highly overrating the talent.
Probably never even seen him play a full game.
Depends which game you see. I’ve seen Mbappe play a couple of bad matches yet he is obviously an immense talent.
I’m not as informed as a couple of other posters on here, but I’ve seen him play a couple of times and he looks class.
I’m not saying the usual ‘he needs to bulk up etc’ but he really looos like a kid at the minute and he is still tearing the Portuguese league up. Maybe in a year or two when he gets a bit stronger he will be even better but o can sense he is type of signing we need to make now. Snap these players up before other teams do!
Signing overpriced youngsters like Felix and Sancho is going to take us nowhere.
Bale it is then?
So is it the price or the talent you question ?
Really?? De Ligt, Felix and Sancho are the talented hungry youngsters who we need to get us competing again.
Pick me three better at CB, AM and RW
What I like about him is he has a very sharp footballing mind. His physical attributes are nothing special. Moderate pace, decent skills, but amazing positioning and finishing. His passing is also very good. For some reason, he reminds me of Nistelrooy even though he is more of a No.10.
I think that’s our best bet - signing highly rated youngsters and promise them a first team spot. We have already tried the superstar route and have failed miserably, so now we should be looking at youngsters who can become elite level players one day. Dalot is a start, if we can get Sancho Felix De Ligt, that would be fantastic. Yes we may not win things in the next year or two, but when these youngsters mature, we will be challenging for everything with a team that developed together.
Ideally I would prefer if we signed players in the 22-25 range, those about to make the step up, but unfortunately there are not many quality players in that age group available. So the next best thing is to sign theses teenagers
We need a new approach. We’ve spent a fortune in the last 5 years and where has that got us? The kids mentioned can play, I agree we need a ready made defender or two but Felix, Sancho etc are the type of players we should be signing
Ajax and Monaco won their league and went as far as the Semi final of the CL final with lots of kids in their team.
The likes of Fabinho, Bernardo, Lemar, Mbappe, Bakayoko, Mendy were from 23yrs downward. Likewise the likes of Van de Beek, de Ligt, Frenkie de Jong, Onana, Neres for Ajax. Likewise the Benfica team who surged ahead of Porto from 4th position to 1st position, after the likes of Felix, Ferro, Gelson, Florentino Luis got introduced into the first team and that's not to mention Ruben Dias who's also a young player. Dortmund did same with Lewandowski, Gotze, Gundogan, Hummel etc.
There's nothing wrong with playing quality talented young players. Their stamina, workrate and desire gives more added bonus to the quality they offer. The problem is persisting with average young players while thinking they would improve as they grow like how Wenger did with plenty of his rubbish young crocks. Like we did with Welbeck, Cleverley, Fabio and are doing with Rashford and Lingard right now. Despite Martial's languid style, he's likely to get more help if we have a terrific RW winger on the opposing wing to take the opposition's attention off him unlike the headless chicken we have in the attack to complement him..
Lovely buildup by Rafa as well!
He's a modern striker. A false 9. Sign him up.
The thing is those players on those teams cost them very little. They weren't the most hyped young players in the game like Felix and Sancho currently are and where you will be taken to the cleaners to get either one of them. It's not a sustainable model and Monaco and Ajax are not a valid comparison.
With all that said, I'm all in on Felix. Whoever gets him will most likely get a superstar but let's see how he handles the fame because he could just become another Pato as well. Every youngster is a massive gamble, so it's very risky to go in heavy on young players to rebuild a squad.
I'm all for bringing in young, hungry players but we've got to be really careful because we're incredibly poor at moving on players once they've proved themselves not quite good enough
We've got to be ruthless, after 2/3 years of playing regular first team football a player should be producing 8/10+ performances for the club week in week out or we need to move on and try again
See as an example of where we are not fast enough to move players on basically all of the players in our squad currently.....our Board and many on here seem to think players improve their technical ability just by getting older....i.e. at 22 your finishing/touch is crap but magically when you hit 24 it becomes amazing overnight...not talking about anyone in particular....cough....RASHFORD....cough
We've got to be ruthless, after 2/3 years of playing regular first team football a player should be producing 8/10+ performances for the club week in week out or we need to move on and try again
See as an example of where we are not fast enough to move players on basically all of the players in our squad currently.....our Board and many on here seem to think players improve their technical ability just by getting older....i.e. at 22 your finishing/touch is crap but magically when you hit 24 it becomes amazing overnight...not talking about anyone in particular....cough....RASHFORD....cough
I'm all in for this transfer.
We wouldn't want to miss on another Bernardo Silva, Sane, Sancho,l type of signings.
We wouldn't want to miss on another Bernardo Silva, Sane, Sancho,l type of signings.
What is this shit. Muppet up, yous.
Just get him. I like this kid. And give him no. 7.. 
Don't put De Ligt in the same sentence as those two. He's shown that he has the ability to produce at the highest level of the game. He's shown to be one of the best defenders in the world. There is no issue in signing him noatter the cost.
Signing the best youngsters will take us forward. I think Sancho and Felix fall into that category.
Pato was actually good but injury and lack of taking care of his body ruined him.
I doubt if anyone can go wrong with quality young players. Even Pep's signings consist of young players such as Sane, Laporte, Bernardo, Gabriel Jesus, Mendy, Stones. Only Gundogan, Mahrez, Walker and his goalkeepers were the older players signed by him.
The point is it's not just about signing young players but quality ones. For example, in the Monaco team, we all knew Bakayoko was a workhorse but nothing more while Mendy's defensive play wasn't up to par despite his attacking instinct. These players have their flaws hence anyone signing them should know what he's going to get from them. There was no reason why Conte had to sign Bakayoko to complement another workhorse in Kante. Pep would have known of Mendy weakness but he's always been particular about the attacking play of his fullback at the expense of his defensive play, just as he did with Alba hence he shouldn't cry foul. As for Stones, he had a horrible season before his move to City. His defensive prowess was already being questioned then before he left for City.
Fabinho despite his talent was a player who never played as a lone holding midfielder for Monaco, hence it was always going to be a struggle deploying him as one for Liverpool but he's finding his legs lately. All these flaws were quite visible hence anyone signing them should be prepared for the worst. Likewise Depay who was a player who relied on counter and his movement than having a quality close control hence his struggle with us. Also, his acceleration and agility were nothing to write home about and he worsened it by bulking up on his non agile short body.
Anyone signing a young player should know what he's getting before signing him. This is no different from signing an adult player who's got his flaw also and while a young player could improve after getting enough experience, an older player won't. The former is better than the latter.
It's the price for the talent. They aren't stars yet. Just highly talented youngsters. Signings like them carry huge risk. We are still not sure where we are going to end up with Martial. Felix didn't set the world alight in the Europa, neither did Sancho in the CL.
My point is if we're going to spend the ludicrous figures that are being mentioned on here we better be getting a De Ligt, De Jong, Mbappe type of player. Players who go up against the beat of Europe and produce the goods not players who get outperformed by Reus fresh from injury in big games.
Sancho is a can’t miss prospect.
Felix looks like a worldie.
Wait until they’re in the category you’re talking about and they’ll be even more expensive or unattainable like De Jong and Mbappe.
If you want to get back in the game, Felix and Sancho are the type of players you buy. No matter the cost.
Worth the risk. It’s a Fred and a bit. Why not? If he doesn’t pan out you recoup half after a few years and move on to the next idea
Where’s all this action come from ? Has anyone reliable said we are in for him ?
I agree with what you're saying, but again I think we're discussing something different. You're talking about flaws in their game, I'm more focused on character. Personally, I think Felix looks as good as you can in the Portugese league for his age, I'm not too worried about the flaws in his game, because the foundation is more solid than anything I've seen from a Depay, for example. My example of Pato had nothing to do with how good he was as a player, but how he didn't take care of his body because he became a party animal under the tutelage of R9 (although I'm sure Pato would have found his way there on his own). For me, Pato was destined for greatness but a simple character aspect of liking women and parties (who can blame him) is what led to him having nowhere close to the career most thought he would have.
It's just impossible to really determine the character of somebody prior to a 100+ million transfer before even turning 20, so it's always a huge gamble, but I would risk it for a guy like Felix and hope to be able to really surround him with the best environment possible. With an adult player, you have a history of what kind of character and mentality he has, so that makes the decision a bit easier and less of a risk (although any transfer is always a risk, regardless).
Really like the look of him. The movement in the box and the finishing is outstanding for his age. 15 league goals in 25 or so league appearances too. Think he's going to turn into one of the best strikers in the world bar any character or injury issues.
I give up
Agreed but one more season at Benfica wouldn't do him any harm at all.
He looks like a love child of Kun and Bale
- Status